vertical growing

bigtomatofarmer said:

I hear ya man, when rick posts its best to just scroll down to the next post. You will be dumber for reading anything by him

And to answer your question YES. Ive done 6 plants like that vertically (400 watt HPS), but it was impossible to do under one horizontal (400 watt HPS) bulb. When growing plants that size with a horizontal bulb only a few of the closest plants would receive adequate amounts of light. The outer plants were shaded by their sisters, and their lower branches received no light at all. Now that my bulb hangs vertically in between all of them, the plants are in direct view of the bulb and they respond better to it.

Its also important for me to keep the number as low as possible. My state isnt pot friendly, so 6 plants is the max I will grow. And I only grow for personal use so there is no need to get greedy.

The plants I grow are beautiful and healthy, all the way around. Anyone who cant see it is a moron

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how long do you veg
and whats the height before harvest
and what's your end weight dry bud
if you dont mind, i will understand if you do

Well you weren't asking me but I cooltube it and with veg time 5-6 weeks, flower time 8-9 weeks, with a single 1000w hortilux I averaged yield 3-4oz per plant across 3 plants. With a single 600w in a 2x3 space I'm hoping to get about 8oz off of two plants. This is in DWC and I am about to entirely change my grow style over to organic soil.

I really want to set up a 360 degree cooltube so that I can do circle grows and do like an 8 inch diameter or something crazy small like that. Epic.

I like to let my eyes be my guide and common sense.

These two trees are in my current grow and were only given about three weeks of Veg and are not even five weeks into flowering and were only Vegged 15 hours a day instead of 18 and these bushes are now pushing 30 inches tall.......definately not flat and dead.

These will be monster trees along with a few more in the coming months for Re-Veg and I will never use anything but vertical again for my applications and the stem strength " especially when bushed, " is incredible.

I have a 1000 watt hanging vertical in the middle and 600 and a 400 LED also running vertical with these.

Growth is exactly what I hoped for and it would have to be for reasons unavoidable, for me to go back to lighting over the top.

With the proper utilization of reflective material........the exposure cannot be beat, no matter what the so-called science may say......my eyes and I suppose the end result will speak much more loudly and more will probably in time, at least give this style of growing a try.

I truly have nothing negative to say so far about this technique.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural

Hey rev,

if you don't mind me asking how many plants can/do you usually circle the vertical 1k with? Those look pretty nice for 8 weeks of total growth

cerberus said:

Hey rev,

if you don't mind me asking how many plants can/do you usually circle the vertical 1k with? Those look pretty nice for 8 weeks of total growth

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This is actually my first grow using vertical myself my friend and as to why I am excited to share my humble opinions thusfar about it.

I always grow less than 10 trees for me and my family and I will currently " when they have reached full size, " have about six trees that will be large bushes that will be indefinately re-vegged.

It would depend on ones application and ones own personnal deisres, but with the light I am using; " yes, you could cram allot of plants in my area of smaller size, " however my intent is to have them big enough to swing on the branches,LOL.

My last grow, I simply used 1000 watt bulb hung overhead and it covered a 6x6x6 area and I got close to two pounds off of nine trees and half of their 56 days of Veg were under Flourescents, so I was pretty impressed with the performance of the big bulbs right off of the bat as my organic grow yielded well with it as seen in this old picture.

Now, that same bulb hung vertically " even without the other 600 and 400 watters on " is clearly spreading light more over a wider range and my eyes and the plants performance is all I need as proof for myself.

I am sure their are plenty of ladies or gentlemen here, with allot more vertical experiance that could give you great estimates, but it would still be based on your partiular application.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural

That 5hit said:

how long do you veg
and whats the height before harvest
and what's your end weight dry bud
if you dont mind, i will understand if you do

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Hey man I dont mind questions at all. Veg time varies. I wanted a perpetual grow, so I started with 6 clones and vegged them different amounts of time. Some of them were vegged for just a couple weeks, and some a couple months. Here, check my journal for exact dates yourself.... BigTomatoFarmers Big Journal

My tallest plant reached was over 4 feet tall. And I measured from the top of the soil, not from the bottom of the bucket like some people do

As for weight, I dont really know. I never weigh it out because I dont ever sell it. Its personal use only. I dry it, cure it, and stash it. Then I smoke it


EDIT: it seems the link to my journal isnt working... Heres a direct link https://www.rollitup.org/riu/public_html/grow-journals/188571-bubba-kush-x-deep-chunk.html

And to any else considering vertical growing, here is a picture from Earl's journal. He gave me permission to post a picture of his vertical set up. Here is a link to his journal https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/147201-victorvicious-northernberry-hempy-bucket-3.html
It looks like you could easily put a few more plants around that light with no problem. Really, vertical growing just makes sense!!!



Good Luck!

WOW i sure hope that this pics shuts up the "cigarettes"
that been flaping there gums
theres no way you could do this under whatever type of bulb that is - and its clear you could fit 4 more around that light
8 monsters around 1 X sized light doable
8 monsters under 1 X sized light never doable

and so what if i have to rotate the 8 plants every day (or once a week) more then likely il be in the grow room every day anyways

would you look at this pic

this is what i wanted to see i was planing on going back to soil or soiless dirt (hand watering)

can you post a link to this
how long do you think they where vegged

I read on another site about vert growing that rotating the plants isn't the best idea. The person said they did a side by side rotating half the plants, and the ones that stayed still did better.

But yeah, that's just what I heard, I have no experience with rotating plants.

That 5hit:

There is no need to even rotate the flowering plants when around the vertical bulb. Rotating just makes the plant use energy turning the leaves to face the light again, rather than using that energy to produce a little more growth that day.

For those that have trouble accepting how well plants grow with side lighting: You just need to try it and see it yourself. Maybe try some mothers around a small bulb in the veg room or something. It's very liberating not to need to mess around with reflectors and constantly moving your plants around cause the ones in the corners don't get as much light as the ones in the middle - because in a circular vertical garden there are no corners! lol

jigfresh said:

I read on another site about vert growing that rotating the plants isn't the best idea. The person said they did a side by side rotating half the plants, and the ones that stayed still did better.

But yeah, that's just what I heard, I have no experience with rotating plants.

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You are right, I'm not making this mistake again.

yeah im down from the start with vert growing
i fully understand how it works

just a few small thing i ve not worked out yet
but i do plan on doing a vert
but thanks for the do not turn info - it makes sence
now i just really would like to know light watts, no. of plants, grow times, and yeilds
(ex. 600w/8 plants/veg 1m, flo.2.5/3oz per plant,24oz dry)

It's not the energy used to move the leaves that's a bad thing though, just to clear that up. It's that you cheat yourself of the fattest nugs on one side in exchange for medium nugs all around. Concentrating on the fat nugs works best.

Rotary gardens work as well as they do because they force the plants to move constantly. I've wanted to try slow rotating turntables on my vertical plants for quite a while but never got around to building them. It would need to rotate once an hour and then it might work out better than stationary vertical trees. Might...

AK47 6 plants, 8 weeks veg, 1kw open bulb, 2.5lbs. You don't have to sit around waiting for an extra 8 weeks though, all it takes to flip as fast as a SOG is a seperate smaller veg area. I veg one batch while another is flowering and by the time the flowering ones are done the clones I took at the start of flowering are ready. 6 weeks of the veg is just under a 250 halide, two weeks are under the 1k after transplant into 6 gallon containers. If you wanted a faster veg a 1k veg would cut time off that but I don't need it any faster.

idk why you keep beating yourself up over this it look good to me
but i'm just a noob
but this shit still looks killer

do you think that you could maybe have put an extra row behind thet first row of plants

OregonMeds said:

It's not the energy used to move the leaves that's a bad thing though, just to clear that up. It's that you cheat yourself of the fattest nugs on one side in exchange for medium nugs all around. Concentrating on the fat nugs works best.

Rotary gardens work as well as they do because they force the plants to move constantly. I've wanted to try slow rotating turntables on my vertical plants for quite a while but never got around to building them. It would need to rotate once an hour and then it might work out better than stationary vertical trees. Might...

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i was also thinkng about some type of turntable but how much more power cost will this add -IF- it is worth the benifit of having spinning plants- if it is just a few more grams then, no - but a whole oz, then yeah,
but if the power cost eats up that oz then back to no - in the end it would have to be worth
- but maybe so, still worth it , you'll also saveing in wattage not having to use extra lights for that size plants
someone would have to build one and test it

OregonMeds said:

AK47 6 plants, 8 weeks veg, 1kw open bulb, 2.5lbs. You don't have to sit around waiting for an extra 8 weeks though, all it takes to flip as fast as a SOG is a seperate smaller veg area. I veg one batch while another is flowering and by the time the flowering ones are done the clones I took at the start of flowering are ready. 6 weeks of the veg is just under a 250 halide, two weeks are under the 1k after transplant into 6 gallon containers.

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this is some of the best info ive read yet
right to the point

OregonMeds said:

You don't have to sit around waiting for an extra 8 weeks though, all it takes to flip as fast as a SOG is a seperate smaller veg area. I veg one batch while another is flowering and by the time the flowering ones are done the clones I took at the start of flowering are ready. 6 weeks of the veg is just under a 250 halide, two weeks are under the 1k after transplant into 6 gallon containers. If you wanted a faster veg a 1k veg would cut time off that but I don't need it any faster.

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Hey OregonMeds.... do you veg your girls vertical style?

I'm sick of waiting for one space to veg and flower one batch at a time... so I'm making a veg box. I am going to use T5's. I have also been tossing around the idea of trying LED's... sorry off topic.

So the veg area... I was gong to make it normal and have the lights on the top and the plants below, becuase even though I have a vert grow... I still forget about vert when I think about growing. I actually never even thought about vegging vertically.

Anyways, what do you do? And why (if you wouldn't mind sharing)?

Anyone elses vegging practices are also requested to be shared.

Thanks

I veg vertically as well. If I didn't the 250 wouldn't be enough for how tall they get, I'd need a bigger veg light and more cooling.

My veg space is just a 2x4 ebb and flow tray made from one of those under bed rubbermaid storage things in a small closet. They get as much as 3.5-4' tall in there. I could really use more veg light it is insufficient when they get that tall, but still this is just temporary so I don't want to bother adding more yet.

flood and drain vert
please check out this video
one of these system could be eszly build for way less ten there asking and could be made into a vert tree system
http://www.iwssystems.co.uk/howitworks_flood.html
heres the link
http://www.iwssystems.co.uk/flood.html
great find

That 5hit said:

flood and drain vert
please check out this video
one of these system could be eszly build for way less ten there asking and could be made into a vert tree system
http://www.iwssystems.co.uk/howitworks_flood.html
heres the link
http://www.iwssystems.co.uk/flood.html
great find

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That's the same thing I got, it's call ebb n grow.

jigfresh said:

Hey OregonMeds.... do you veg your girls vertical style?

I'm sick of waiting for one space to veg and flower one batch at a time... so I'm making a veg box. I am going to use T5's. I have also been tossing around the idea of trying LED's... sorry off topic.

So the veg area... I was gong to make it normal and have the lights on the top and the plants below, becuase even though I have a vert grow... I still forget about vert when I think about growing. I actually never even thought about vegging vertically.

Anyways, what do you do? And why (if you wouldn't mind sharing)?

Anyone elses vegging practices are also requested to be shared.

Thanks

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Jigfresh

Dont waste your money on LEDs, I am out $5K, tried a few 300Watt LEDS, then several 90Watts, to spread the light.
At best mediocre performance in veg, and spindly buds in flower.
Maybe in a few years they will improve, but not much good now

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