vertical growing

OregonMeds said:

tjizzle

I doubt a duct fan has a chance in hell by itself, but if you bought a cooltube or made one from a couple of candle chimneys and ducted it right you'd probably be ok. I have actually seen a DIY cooltube on a 1k that was just two of the candle chimneys stacked, it's a guy here doing a vertical grow but I don't have a link for you.

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https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/221652-jigfreshs-grow-2-vertical-scrog.html

I think that may be the one you're talking about

That looks like it, I might have been confused.

I really thought I saw one that had a single 1k hps inside the same type of stacked setup though.

purrrrple said:

I have found that the smaller plants (with a properly managed canopy) yield heavier and higher quality nugs. The conclusion i have come to is that although the plant has fewer branches (and budsites) those fewer budsites are recieving intense, unshaded light. Also, the plant is able to focus ALL of its energy on JUST those branches (and buds), and doesn't have to waste energy trying to keep the bottom blood suckers alive.

Being said, I have had better results using the same wattage and space and plant numbers growing smaller plants rather than larger, all while saving myself a couple of weeks in veg time. The result is fewer buds, but much larger, fuller, denser, resin-ier, and faster to mature.

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OregonMeds said:

And technically it's just flat wrong about smaller plants yielding superior buds.

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I have experienced the same thing to a degree of smaller plants yielding larger, fuller, denser, resin-ier, and faster to mature. That two of us have experienced the same thing PROVES that (at least for us) smaller plants DO yeild superior buds. Just because it isn't scientifically proven, it may be true for certain peoples set ups.

Neither purrrrrple or I are saying strait up, in all situations, determined by biology that small plants are better. We are just saying what goes on with us and why we think it happens. In the name of attempting to help people by sharing our experiences.

Having said that.... here's a couple pics of my giant ladies.... we got about 3 weeks left.

It's because you either didn't have enough light for the big plants or you didn't feed them enough or give them enough root space or something environmental that favored the small plants. Small plants do finish faster that is true and I agree, but that is all.

Top lighting favors small plants also, so unless you compared with vertical 1k's or outdoors under the sun it just wasn't fair.

yeah i saw those at wal-mart in the candle aisle
for lik $15
they were short and had a frosted floral design

Thank you oregon and tree high .I plan on 12/12 from seed my last grow I had a power plant male rape my widows when I wasnt looking and I got a lot of seed.I planted 10 seedlings 5 died 3 where males and the 2 girls only grew 3 feet tall.Not bad since I planted in july.So if I plant every 7 inches on the floor and every 7 inches in the flower boxes I should be able to plant a140 seeds.I've done rooted clones strait to 12/12 and seed straight to 12/12.the seed always pack on more weight because of the tap root I think.Growing with an open door isn't an option so I think I'll just try with another 15 dollar in line duct fan to another air sock.And since I'm goin at it from seed I wont have to worry about fertilizing I'm just going to add bat guano and mollassis to my soil mix .So I just dont want to jinx myself so I'll post picks of the whole show in 8 weeks.

what whould you vert guy's do with a 1500 watt hps,206,000 lumensThe UltraSun 1500 HPS Lamp is the best of both worlds - a great HPS lamp at a great price. This high-output super high pressure sodium lamp was specifically engineered to be used in digital ballasts namely the Master Blaster 1500 watt. Their spectrum and output rival lamps that are three times the price. The next time your re-lamping try one of these - you will wonder why you were spending more. UltraSun 1500 HPS Lamp come with a one year warranty

genuity said:

what whould you vert guy's do with a 1500 watt hps,206,000 lumensThe UltraSun 1500 HPS Lamp is the best of both worlds - a great HPS lamp at a great price. This high-output super high pressure sodium lamp was specifically engineered to be used in digital ballasts namely the Master Blaster 1500 watt. Their spectrum and output rival lamps that are three times the price. The next time your re-lamping try one of these - you will wonder why you were spending more. UltraSun 1500 HPS Lamp come with a one year warranty

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Hell yes, but I just wish those weren't so expensive and the bulbs too. You don't have the option of getting $20 normal bulbs the only bulb is $150 and the ballast is $500.

In that case I'd prefer multiple 1k's with standard $20 bulbs that you can change often and not care about it, you'd yield more in every way.

Cash crops you might thing differently, not sure. They aren't as efficient the larger you go over 600 so not sure about yield per watt.

OregonMeds said:

Hell yes, but I just wish those weren't so expensive and the bulbs too. You don't have the option of getting $20 normal bulbs the only bulb is $150. In that case I'd prefer multiple 1k's with standard $20 bulbs that you can change often and not care about it, you'd yield more in every way.

Cash crops you might thing differently, not sure. They aren't as efficient the larger you go over 600 so not sure about yield per watt.

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wonder why anything over 600,start's to suck

For all the naysayers:

42 pounds from 10 trees.

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f131/42-pound-10-plant-tree-grow-14877/

OregonMeds said:

For all the naysayers:

42 pounds from 10 trees.

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f131/42-pound-10-plant-tree-grow-14877/

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Wow!

That gentlemen has it figured out .

Less Trees, give them more and get more.......I like them big too.

Seems people need to be more concerned about actuall imperical data shared by growers who are using this technique and less on all of the papers and studies.

There is always room for debate and proper study.......until imperical data by someone experianced takes the assumptions and shows the proof, in the making or end.

I will never stop using vertical as it is really showing to produce the exact results, that I wanted.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural

TheNatural said:

Wow!

That gentlemen has it figured out .

Less Trees, give them more and get more.......I like them big too.

Seems people need to be more concerned about actuall imperical data shared by growers who are using this technique and less on all of the papers and studies.

There is always room for debate and proper study.......until imperical data by someone experianced takes the assumptions and shows the proof, in the making or end.

I will never stop using vertical as it is really showing to produce the exact results, that I wanted.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural

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dead on
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to be fair he was using 12,490 watts of light... but still damn awesome. I think he got about 1.5 grams per watt. That is enough to make the best outdoor grower blush, and in far less time that an outdoor grower could do it. 42 lbs shit at a $K/lb that is $42,000 (less costs 5k max) for 3-4 months work. Makes one think!

I have a new hero.

captain insaneo said:

to be fair he was using 12,490 watts of light... but still damn awesome. I think he got about 1.5 grams per watt. That is enough to make the best outdoor grower blush, and in far less time that an outdoor grower could do it. 42 lbs shit at a $K/lb that is $42,000 (less costs 5k max) for 3-4 months work. Makes one think!

I have a new hero.

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Hero is right! Im down right aroused by those pics

"Makes one think"

Made me clear out the garage...

yeah my nipples got stiff when i saw the rainforest in the room.
10x20 is half the size of my house.

great thread

OK, great thread btw I just have a few questions if somebody doesn't mind answering

I've been growing for 6-7 months horizontally with a 1k hps in soil. I grow Trainwreck and OG kush and I cannot get over 3/4 pounds per harvest for the life of me, If I grow 6 ft or 2ft plants I get the same yield. I get a nice cola, then a bunch of popcorn, keeping a minimum of 50 watts per sq ft

So I guess my question is, will my overall weight and density improve? From my understanding with the bulb laying on the side, next to the ladies. Every branch becomes equal to the same density as the main branch??

I'm thinking 4 plants vegged to at least 2ft, 7 gall pots coco, Bushmaster and the complete Botanicare line with Gravity at the end. Would .5 grams per watt seem achievable?

I love my girls so I will turn them 1/4 a day, everyday.

Thanks for helping a newb out

Light is just part of it. Vertical has yielded more for me than other options, but there are many ways to reach the same goal. SOG, SCROG, etc.

Do you only have 1k to work with? The popcorn trouble you mentioned won't go away if you do any vertical tree style with just 1k, and if you turn your plants all you are doing is encouraging them all to be popcorn buds. I would suggest a vertical sog like heaths for you, if you want the high yield and the least amount of popcorn buds.

OregonMeds said:

Light is just part of it. Vertical has yielded more for me than other options, but there are many ways to reach the same goal. SOG, SCROG, etc.

Do you only have 1k to work with? The popcorn trouble you mentioned won't go away if you do any vertical tree style with just 1k, and if you turn your plants all you are doing is encouraging them all to be popcorn buds. I would suggest a vertical sog like heaths for you, if you want the high yield and the least amount of popcorn buds.

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Thanks man

For now yes, I hope to have another 1k or a co2 tank and regulator within a month. I have thought about a sog but I'm only working with a 4x9 closet . It would be hard to take care of them If I were to build shelves.

I was told turning them would cure my popcorn problem, with enough pruning and using bushmaster the first couple waterings?