Just use the micro/bloom (Lucas formula). Drop the grow. Do a 1:2 ratio of micro/bloom. 7.5/15 ml per gallon iirc.For the ideal ratios. Is that for throughout the whole cycle or for veg? I've seen people say go 0-3-2 for late flower. So if I'm using GH Flora series should I not use micro/gro since it has nitrogen? What do you do for late flower?
I've seen their site before and wondered about them. Are you mixing with CalNit and Epsom salts like Jacks 3-2-1?I don't really use their mix, just make what my plants want. I've used a LOT of mixes over the years, you can do pretty much anything with the trio.
Right now I am playing with the Chem-Gro 4-20-39 stuff, it's locally made and cheap as fuck. Figured I would take a stab at it and see how it performs.
I'm using Jacks 3-2-1 now, and am mixing concentrates of Jacks in almost that exact same ratio, except that I also add 20g of Epsom along with the 60g of Jacks to the quart of water. I just shake it up a few times, and let it sit for an half-hour or so, then come back and shake it again. Good to go. I do a separate concentrate of 40g of CalNit, so there's a part A of Jacks+Epsom and part B of CalNit. No particulates.so about 840 ml RO h2o and 60 grams 4-20-39 on the stir plate. Initially looks ok but after a few minutes its all milky looking. letting it settle out now.
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Jacks is the shit. Gh flora is good too though, but jacks is much cheaper.I've seen their site before and wondered about them. Are you mixing with CalNit and Epsom salts like Jacks 3-2-1?
I'm using Jacks 3-2-1 now, and am mixing concentrates of Jacks in almost that exact same ratio, except that I also add 20g of Epsom along with the 60g of Jacks to the quart of water. I just shake it up a few times, and let it sit for an half-hour or so, then come back and shake it again. Good to go. I do a separate concentrate of 40g of CalNit, so there's a part A of Jacks+Epsom and part B of CalNit. No particulates.
I've moved over to Jack's, plant leaves in veg at green, healthy, and silky. How do you mix the concentrated together to hit your target EC?I've seen their site before and wondered about them. Are you mixing with CalNit and Epsom salts like Jacks 3-2-1?
I'm using Jacks 3-2-1 now, and am mixing concentrates of Jacks in almost that exact same ratio, except that I also add 20g of Epsom along with the 60g of Jacks to the quart of water. I just shake it up a few times, and let it sit for an half-hour or so, then come back and shake it again. Good to go. I do a separate concentrate of 40g of CalNit, so there's a part A of Jacks+Epsom and part B of CalNit. No particulates.
What are your target e.c. with jacks for each stage and do you add supplements?I've moved over to Jack's, plant leaves in veg at green, healthy, and silky. How do you mix the concentrated together to hit your target EC?
For now I mix Part A, Epsom salts, and then Part B all in 5 gallon buckets. Eventually will move to large res and automated system.
I take my 80x concentrations of part a and part b, and mix them together (plus 50ppm Si added to the RO water first) to make a single concentration which is around 2x higher than my target ec. Then I take that and mix proportionately with RO water (with 25 ppm of Si) into the res to hit my target EC.I've moved over to Jack's, plant leaves in veg at green, healthy, and silky. How do you mix the concentrated together to hit your target EC?
That's what I was trying to figure out if it'd be worth making a concentrate. I was mixing up three 5 gallon buckets of nutes every day. I'm finally down 2 huge plants, so it's only every other day now.I take my 80x concentrations of part a and part b, and mix them together (plus 50ppm Si added to the RO water first) to make a single concentration which is around 2x higher than my target ec. Then I take that and mix proportionately with RO water (with 25 ppm of Si) into the res to hit my target EC.
It might sound like a lot of mix downs, but it's better than having to weigh out dry salts all the time, and waiting for them to dissolve.
I'm not familiar with that product, but based on the ingredients you listed then yes it contains magnesium and sulphur.Am I crazy thinking that GH Liquid Koolbloom contains magnesium and sulfur? Ingredients on the Label: Magnesium phosphate, potassium phosphate and potassium sulphate. The nutrient calculator doesn't show that, neither does the Label. The label just says 0-10-10
And this is why I fucking hate water bottle nutes; they don't have to tell you fuck all about what's in them besides the N-P-K number.Am I crazy thinking that GH Liquid Koolbloom contains magnesium and sulfur? Ingredients on the Label: Magnesium phosphate, potassium phosphate and potassium sulphate. The nutrient calculator doesn't show that, neither does the Label. The label just says 0-10-10
You can trust what @ttystikk has to say. I have no experience with the 420 formula he mentioned but, speaking of dry salts, jacks 321 has produced some awesome bud over the years. You might want check it out, if you haven't looked into salts. Way cheaper than bottles.And this is why I fucking hate water bottle nutes; they don't have to tell you fuck all about what's in them besides the N-P-K number.
You will always be guessing until you go with dry nutrient salts.
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Talk to these folks; they're in Colorado and supply lots of dispensaries.
Ask about their 4-20-39 formula or just scroll down the page to their links about it.
Thanks, man. I've dropped more weed on the floor then most of these kids have grown LMAOYou can trust what @ttystikk has to say. I have no experience with the 420 formula he mentioned but, speaking of dry salts, jacks 321 has produced some awesome bud over the years. You might want check it out, if you haven't looked into salts. Way cheaper than bottles.
That was the only thing I could think of that was missing from this: a breakdown of nitrogen by type. As I understand it, one wants to keep the NH4+ (ammonia) to no more than about 10% of total nitrogen(?). Most guaranteed analyses at least differentiate between nitrate, ammonia, and urea nitrogen. (I know that urea isn't generally used in hydro, though I note that there is some in the GH FloraMicro Hardwater. Why the heck is that?)That's something I'd meant to add for a "want" for it as well, the types; NO4, NH3, and NH2.
I'll go smoke one in his honor too.Long-time lurker, first-time poster here. What an awesome thread! I was basically trying to put together something like this myself in excel, and it wasn't looking NEARLY as elegant or thorough. LOL
An incredible debt of thanks to Renfro for putting this together, you rock!!
That was the only thing I could think of that was missing from this: a breakdown of nitrogen by type. As I understand it, one wants to keep the NH4+ (ammonia) to no more than about 10% of total nitrogen(?). Most guaranteed analyses at least differentiate between nitrate, ammonia, and urea nitrogen. (I know that urea isn't generally used in hydro, though I note that there is some in the GH FloraMicro Hardwater. Why the heck is that?)
After playing around with the nutrient calculator a while, I figured out that it would not be too hard to separate the N into those 3 values by inserting a couple of extra columns or rows in the appropriate spots. I did so, and went through and split up the nitrogen values appropriately for all the listed nutrients for which I could find the information. I also added a couple of spots on the 'Results' tabs to compare the nitrate to ammonia as a ratio as well as ammonia as a % value of total N.
I'm fairly sure I got everything squared away where that it will calculate everything correctly, but anyone please let me know if you catch any mistakes.
Thanks again to Renfro! This is awesome and you literally saved me quite a lot of hours of work. I toke a bowl in your honor!
It's awesome that someone with the know-how actually came and added that ability, thanks dude. I'll check it out later.Long-time lurker, first-time poster here. What an awesome thread! I was basically trying to put together something like this myself in excel, and it wasn't looking NEARLY as elegant or thorough. LOL
An incredible debt of thanks to Renfro for putting this together, you rock!!
That was the only thing I could think of that was missing from this: a breakdown of nitrogen by type. As I understand it, one wants to keep the NH4+ (ammonia) to no more than about 10% of total nitrogen(?). Most guaranteed analyses at least differentiate between nitrate, ammonia, and urea nitrogen. (I know that urea isn't generally used in hydro, though I note that there is some in the GH FloraMicro Hardwater. Why the heck is that?)
After playing around with the nutrient calculator a while, I figured out that it would not be too hard to separate the N into those 3 values by inserting a couple of extra columns or rows in the appropriate spots. I did so, and went through and split up the nitrogen values appropriately for all the listed nutrients for which I could find the information. I also added a couple of spots on the 'Results' tabs to compare the nitrate to ammonia as a ratio as well as ammonia as a % value of total N.
I'm fairly sure I got everything squared away where that it will calculate everything correctly, but anyone please let me know if you catch any mistakes.
Thanks again to Renfro! This is awesome and you literally saved me quite a lot of hours of work. I toke a bowl in your honor!
We need to get Renfro back! His knowledge is always invaluable.It's awesome that someone with the know-how actually came and added that ability, thanks dude. I'll check it out later.
I've made a couple *very* minor changes (because I'm not well versed with excel), just added a few products, and added some other element "ratios" under the ones that were already listed.
Unfortunately, Renfro isn't here anymore.
You're right about the ammonia, and urea, from what I know about. I duno the percentages though.
Once you're away from this place for a while, you don't wanna come back.We need to get Renfro back! His knowledge is always invaluable.
Yea I reckon. Still kinda sucks though.Once you're away from this place for a while, you don't wanna come back.