Trump's Disqualification Trial

Do you think Trump will be disqualified by Colorado and the SCOTUS from running in the primaries?


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DIY-HP-LED

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“Heck yeah”: Neal Katyal wants case to boot Trump off ballot

Former Federal Judge J. Michael Luttig invokes former acting U.S. Solicitor General, Neal Katyal to argue a possible 14th Amendment case to bar Donald Trump from running for president at the Supreme Court.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Judge Luttig: Trump disqualification ‘does not require a criminal conviction’

As lawsuits in multiple states seeking to disqualify Trump from the ballot in 2024 pick up steam, Judge J. Michael Luttig joins Ali Velshi to discuss the debate surrounding the 14th Amendment's disqualification clause, the argument being made by Trump’s lawyers in response to the cases, and why lawyers and the public have misunderstood the wording of Section 3. “Frankly, all parties to this different litigation in the various states, to this point, have misunderstood Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. As I said, it disqualifies one who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution of the United States. It does not, by its term, disqualify one who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States or the authority of the United States… and there is a world of constitutional difference between those two.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The problem with his argument is the constitution and law are not popularity contests and such matters are not decided on such a basis. The conservative judges on the SCOTUS are federalists, not magats and they have lifetime appointments whatever the republican base thinks of them ot their decision on Trump.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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The disqualification fight over the primaries is not over yet, and if Trump wins and can stay in the primaries, he will destroy the GOP on his way down in court. Look for lots of excitement over Trump losing a fortune in NY and the upcoming trials in DC and Georgia, the one in Georgia will be on TV.

It will also leave open the tantalizing prospect of Trump as the GOP nominee being disqualified just before the general election when he starts filing papers to run in the various states. This would leave the GOP high and dry with a disqualified convicted felon in prison as their nominee just before the 2024 elections. Donald will be going down in court during the primaries and if they are stupid enough to nominate him...


Minnesota court sides with Donald Trump in early test of 'insurrection' claims
The Minnesota court handed Trump a partial victory, allowing him to stay on the ballot for the GOP primary. They may revisit the issue for the general election.

WASHINGTON − Minnesota's highest court ruled Wednesday that former President Donald Trump should be allowed to appear on the state's presidential primary ballot next year, waving off for now an argument raised in an early test case that he had disqualified himself for a second term by attempting to overturn the 2020 election.

The decision is a partial victory for Trump, allowing him to stay on the ballot for the GOP primary. Minnesota may revisit the issue for the general election.

The court, in a four-page order, said the state's primary election was an "internal party election" and that winning that contest doesn't necessarily place the nominee on the state's general election ballot. There is no state law that bars a political party from nominating a candidate who may be ineligible to hold office, the court wrote.

The court left open the possibility of revisiting the issue for the November general election.


The lawsuit, filed by a liberal group called Free Speech for People, is one of dozens pending across the nation that rely on a post-Civil War-era clause of the 14th Amendment to bar anyone who "engaged in insurrection" after taking an oath to uphold the Constitution from holding higher office again.

Steven Cheung, a spokesman for the Trump campaign, described the court's order as "further validation" that the legal efforts to knock the former president off the ballot are "nothing more than strategic, un-constitutional attempts to interfere with the election by desperate Democrats who see the writing on the wall."

The Minnesota suit has been seen as a test case for the issue more broadly. Given the number of similar challenges across the country, the issue may ultimately be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Ron Fein, legal director of Free Speech For People, said the group was disappointed by the decision.

"However, the Minnesota Supreme Court explicitly recognized that the question of Donald Trump’s disqualification for engaging in insurrection against the U.S. Constitution may be resolved at a later stage," Fein said. "The decision isn’t binding on any court outside Minnesota and we continue our current and planned legal actions in other states to enforce Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment against Donald Trump."

The plaintiffs argued that Trump's efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, leading to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, mean he's disqualified from the presidency in the same way he wouldn't qualify if he was not a natural-born citizen, another constitutional prerequisite for the office.

The Minnesota Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case on Nov. 2.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says that no one can hold federal office who "having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States...shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

The clause at issue has only been used a handful of times since immediately after the Civil War. Trump's lawyers had argued it was never meant to apply to the office of president, which is not mentioned in the text. They also framed the legal effort as an attempt to take away from voters the right to choose a president.

A similar case is pending before a state court in Colorado.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If Trump can run in the GOP primaries, he will destroy them, if he is nominated, he will likely be disqualified on the eve of the general election. He should be convicted and imprisoned by the convention and on trial during the primaries. If he is tried for disqualification before the general election, he will already be convicted over J6 crimes in state and federal court too.


Trump DISQUALIFICATION CASE hits NEW PHASE, Timing is KEY

The Minnesota Supreme Court sitting as a trial court did NOT just rule that Trump is not an “insurrectionist” and can be on the November presidential ballot. But Michael Popok of Legal AF explains that in a nuanced decision the court ruled that the Minnesota Republican Party had the right to nominate someone even if that person is later found to be disqualified to run for president in November, thereby, inviting these plaintiffs to file a second lawsuit to bar Trump from the November ballot.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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HOPE REMAINS in kicking Trump OFF THE BALLOT

The Minnesota Supreme Court dismissed a lawsuit attempting to keep Trump off the Republican primary ballot by way of the 14th Amendment. Still, however, the court made clear that the question could theoretically be open for the 2024 general election ballot.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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BREAKING: Trump gets BRUTAL news as Michigan’s Attorney General tells a judge that she and the Secretary of State “stand ready” to ban Trump from the ballot in 2024 for inciting the January 6 insurrection if the judge gives them the green light.

But it gets WORSE for Trump…

The Attorney General didn’t mince words, telling the the judge, “Your Honor, the Secretary takes her role as the state's Chief Elections Officer very seriously, and it is her duty to ensure that Michigan elections are conducted in accordance with the laws of the state and in a manner that preserves the integrity of that process. To be clear, the Secretary of State stands ready to comply with whatever order this court issues in relation to the former president's eligibility to appear on the ballot."

This is brutal news for Trump because, while the Secretary of State has tried to remain publicly neutral, the fact that she just sent her Attorney General to tell the judge that she “stands ready” to ban Trump from the ballot is a clear indication that she has already put everything in place to punish Trump for inciting the insurrection in order to steal Biden’s win.

"Your Honor, the Secretary takes her role as the state's Chief Elections Officer very seriously, and it is her duty to ensure that Michigan elections are conducted in accordance with the laws of the state and in a manner that preserves the integrity of that process," Meingast told the judge on behalf of Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D).

Adding insult to injury for Donald Trump, the judge announced at the end of the hearing that she has heard enough incriminating evidence against Trump — and is ready to make her ruling as to whether he should be banned from the ballot in the “next few days.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I only Colorado disqualifies him, and Trump does not appeal, he could just skip the Colorado primaries, instead of chancing it in front of the SCOTUS.


Judge poised to decide if Trump is DISQUALIFIED from being on the 2024 presidential ballot

Colorado state court judge Sarah Wallace is expected to rule on whether the evidence proves that Donald Trump engaged in insurrection such that the 14th Amendment disqualifies him from holding office in the future.

This video reviews some of the evidence that supports the conclusion that Trump both engaged in insurrection and gave aid and comfort to insurrectionists.

This video also asks the question: are we required to let someone who tried to end American democracy pursue the presidency?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Might as well disqualify him, they will appeal it anyway. Might as well get in the history books being the first to disqualify a past president from running.
I don't think the SCOTUS will disqualify him for the primaries, the party nominee is not a public office. He is as good as gone in the general election, however. If they don't disqualify him, he should win the GOP primary and if he doesn't, it will be even worse for them and the nominee. He is still on track for his Mar 4th trial date, and it should be done by the first of June in 24. His other trials in Florida and DC are up in the air, but it is likely he will be on TV trial in Georgia wearing orange during the election season, even if the trial isn't finished until after the new year.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Might as well disqualify him, they will appeal it anyway. Might as well get in the history books being the first to disqualify a past president from running.
I guess in America, if you are a criminal serving time you can still be president, even from a state prison cell. Likewise, if you are disqualified from running for public office you can still be the GOP nominee, if they are stupid enough to nominate him. They might end up high and dry with Trump as their nominee disqualified on the eve of the election, after he files his papers in the states, until he does, there is nothing to sue about. By the time his general election disqualification trial rolls around he will already have been convicted over J6 and in a recent audio tape from an author, he even confessed, again.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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A comprehensive look at where disqualification stands in the various states. We should be hearing from the judge in Colorado soon, with the first full civil trial over it.


Where efforts to disqualify Trump from 2024 ballot stand

Former President Trump is set to soon learn his fate in a Colorado legal challenge seeking to remove him from the 2024 presidential ballot, after a judge heard closing arguments on Wednesday.

The big picture: It's one of at least 31 cases filed across the U.S. that have argued the Republican presidential front-runner should be disqualified over his actions surrounding the U.S. Capitol riot through the 14th Amendment's insurrection clause.
  • Efforts so far have been unsuccessful, though over a dozen cases remain pending before the courts.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Well, what do ya know, the US constitution is a suicide pact, and the president is not an officer of the US government, go figure, commander and chief is not an officer. Some should tell Joe and he should intervene, since it concerns his office and if you run for office, that makes you an officer I figure. Even if the EC votes you an officer, as in office holder. Looks like America can elect a traitor to the US constitution, if this ruling stands, Trump can run in the general election too I figure, since it's based on the fact the 14th doesn't apply to the president, Jesus Christ.

 

big bud man 413

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Well, wat do ya know, the US constitution is a suicide pact, and the president is not an officer of the US government, go figure, commander and chief is not an officer. Some should tell Joe and he should intervene, since it concerns his office and if you run for office, that makes you an officer I figure. Even if the EC votes you an officer, as in office holder. Looks like America can elect a traitor to the US constitution, if this ruling stands, Trump can run in the general election too I figure, since it's based on the fact the 14th doesn't apply to the president, Jesus Christ.

Ya but it really doesn't matter there all going to fuck us over so whatever.
 

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Judge rules Trump ‘incited’ Jan. 6 riots, but can remain on Colorado primary ballot
A Colorado judge has rejected an attempt to bar former President Trump from the state’s primary ballot over 14th Amendment claims, according to court documents filed Friday. District Judge Sarah Wallace agreed with plaintiffs that Trump “incited” the Jan. 6, 2021, riots on the Capitol and could be disqualified using the 14th Amendment, but that the law’s wording means it does not apply specifically to the office of president.

The activist group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), four Republicans and two independent Colorado voters filed a suit in September pushing for Trump’s removal. The lawsuit claims the former president’s actions related to the insurrection were in violation of the amendment, which stipulates that those who engage in acts of insurrection are no longer eligible to run for elected offices. The plaintiffs argued Trump “incited a violent mob” in an attempt “to stop the peaceful transfer of power under our Constitution.”

The trial in the case centered on two factors: whether Trump’s actions as president qualified as engaging in acts of insurrection per the 14th Amendment clause, and if the presidency counts as an “office” in the meaning of the text, making it eligible for disqualification. For the first factor, plaintiffs called on both academic witnesses to argue that Trump was responsible for the Jan. 6 riots, and victims of violence including Capitol Police officers and Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.).

Attorneys for Trump argued that the former president had nothing to do with the attacks, and that his speeches — which appeared to encourage violence — were also protected by the First Amendment.

But Wallace agreed with the plaintiffs, the first time a court has ruled that Trump was responsible for the violence of Jan. 6. “The Court concludes, based on its findings of fact and the applicable law detailed above, that Trump incited an insurrection on January 6, 2021 and therefore ‘engaged’ in insurrection within the meaning of Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment,” Wallace wrote.

She cited Trump’s “history of courting extremists and endorsing political violence as legitimate and proper,” as well as his consistent efforts to “undermine the legitimacy” and “hinder the certification” of 2020 election results. “Trump has consistently endorsed violence and intimidation as not only legitimate means of political expression, but as necessary, even virtuous,” Wallace wrote in the ruling. “Further, the Court has found that Trump was aware that his supporters were willing to engage in political violence and that they would respond to his calls for them to do so.”

The judge also ruled that the House Jan. 6 panel’s report could be used as evidence, to the protest of Trump’s attorneys.

“In addition to his consistent endorsement of political violence, Trump undertook efforts to undermine the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election well in advance of the election, making accusations of widespread corruption, voter fraud, and election rigging,” she continued. “These efforts intensified when the election results were returned showing that he had lost the election, despite a complete lack of evidence showing any such fraud and his knowledge that there was no evidence,” Wallace added.

Specifically, Wallace focused on Trump’s actions in the days before the insurrection and during the riots. She noted that senior staff and law enforcement warned Trump that there could be violence on Jan. 6. “Despite these warnings, Trump undertook no effort to prepare law enforcement or discourage violence among the prospective attendees,” she said. “Importantly, he did not tell law enforcement he intended to direct the crowd to protest at the Capitol.” Through his Jan. 6 speech at the Ellipse, Trump instructed supporters to march on the Capitol Building using inflammatory language he knew would cause violence, Wallace wrote. “The Court concludes that Trump acted with the specific intent to incite political violence and direct it at the Capitol with the purpose of disrupting the electoral certification,” she said.

On the second factor — whether the 14th Amendment applies to the presidency — plaintiffs argued for a broad interpretation of “office,” relying on a catch-all clause at the end of the text. They said that the presidency was understood at the time to mean an “office” in a general sense, even though it was not explicitly listed in the text of the amendment.

But Trump’s attorneys countered that if the authors of the 14th Amendment wanted it to apply to the presidency, they would have specified. Wallace agreed with the argument about the less-broad definition of “office.”

“The Court holds there is scant direct evidence regarding whether the Presidency is one of the positions subject to disqualification,” Wallace wrote. “The Court holds that it is unpersuaded that the drafters intended to include the highest office in the Country in the catchall phrase “office . . . under the United States.’”

An earlier draft of the 14th Amendment included the presidency and vice presidency explicitly in the list of disqualified offices, but it was later removed. Trump’s attorneys argued that the authors’ intent was clear with the omission.

Due to the wording of the amendment, Trump can remain on the primary ballot for president in Colorado despite violating the insurrection clause, Wallace ruled. In theory, Wallace’s ruling would, however, enable Trump to be disqualified from the ballot if he were to run for any lower office in Colorado. The former president’s legal team deemed the Colorado suit comparable to “election interference” in the 2024 race.

Despite the outcome, CREW celebrated the ruling for determining Trump incited the insurrection. “The court’s decision affirms what our clients alleged in this lawsuit: that Donald Trump engaged in insurrection based on his role in January 6th,” CREW President Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “We are proud to have brought this historic case and know we are right on the facts and right on the law.” The group pledged to file an appeal.

The Colorado case is among three major attempts to kick Trump off of the ballot in states around the country. In Minnesota, the state Supreme Court threw out a similar argument, saying the Secretary of State lacked authority to bar Trump from the ballot.

In Michigan this week, a lower court did the same, instead arguing that the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply to primary elections. The Michigan case has been appealed to the state Supreme Court.
 
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