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Why the reported Mark Meadows immunity can have several interpretations

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ABC News is reporting that former Donald Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows had been granted immunity when he testified before a federal grand jury, but who might have granted him that status and what the terms of that immunity might be are not at all clear. Former U.S. attorney Joy Vance explains it to Alex Wagner.
 

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NY judge suggests Trump again violated gag order: ‘I don’t want anybody killed’
The judge overseeing former President Trump’s New York civil fraud trial on Wednesday suggested the former president had once again violated a gag order imposed earlier this month relating to comments made about court staff.

Judge Arthur Engoron cited reporting by The Associated Press that indicated Trump had said to news media that the judge is a “very partisan judge with a person who is very partisan sitting alongside him, perhaps even more partisan than he is.”

“It’s easy for the public or anyone to know who that is,” Engoron said, suggesting that Trump was commenting on his principal law clerk, who sits next to the judge on the bench.

“I’m very protective of my staff, and I believe I should be; I don’t want anybody killed,” he said.

The gag order was originally imposed after Trump’s Truth Social account derided the clerk as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) “girlfriend” and included personally identifying information about her. Engoron ordered Trump to take down the post, and it was removed from Truth Social.

Last week, Trump was hit with a $5,000 fine after it was discovered that the post had not been removed from his campaign website 17 days later. Trump lawyer Chris Kise blamed the “very large machine” of Trump’s presidential campaign for allowing his deleted social media post to remain on his website, calling it an unintentional oversight.

Engoron acknowledged Trump’s assertion that the post staying up was inadvertent and said he would give him the “benefit of the doubt.” But on Wednesday, he suggested that serious penalties could be in order for the purported violation.

“Why should there not be severe sanctions for this blatant, dangerous disobeyal of a clear court order?” Engoron asked.

Kise replied that Trump was not referring to the clerk – he was referring to Cohen.

“My understanding of what was said — I believe what Mr. Trump will tell you — was he was talking to Michael Cohen, his credibility as a witness…I’ve asked him and that’s exactly what he said,” Kise said.

Engoron said it “seems clear to me” that Trump was referring to the clerk but that he would take the issue under advisement.
 

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'This needs to go forward': Petition to remove Trump from Minnesota ballot heads to court

50,843 views Oct 25, 2023 #Trump #Minnesota #Politics
A group of Minnesota voters filed a legal challenge in September to block former President Donald Trump from appearing on the state's presidential ballot next year. Oral arguments are scheduled to begin on Nov. 2, and Gov. Tim Walz, D-Minn., joins Morning Joe to discuss.

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I think he can still get write-in votes, but I'm not sure about that

I also think that only the most die-hard maga faithful will write him in, while more moderate republicans may opt to not vote
 

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ACLU sides with Trump, argues Jan. 6 case gag order is unconstitutional
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on Wednesday urged the judge overseeing former President Trump’s federal 2020 election criminal case in D.C. to reevaluate her gag order, arguing it is unconstitutionally overly broad and vague.

“Former President, and now Defendant, Donald Trump has said many things,” the ACLU and its D.C. affiliate wrote in court filings. “Much that he has said has been patently false and has caused great harm to countless individuals, as well as to the Republic itself. Some of his words and actions have led him to this criminal indictment, which alleges grave wrongdoing in contempt of the peaceful transition of power.”

“But Trump retains a First Amendment right to speak, and the rest of us retain a right to hear what he has to say,” the brief continued.
U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan last week granted special counsel Jack Smith’s motion to impose a gag order on Trump after he made a series of incendiary Truth Social posts attacking D.C. and various people involved in his case.

Trump is charged with four federal felony counts over his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, one of four criminal indictments he faces. He pleaded not guilty and has filed a variety of motions seeking to toss the charges.
Chutkan’s gag order, which is currently paused, bars Trump and his attorneys from speech that would “target” foreseeable witnesses, prosecutors in the case and court personnel. The former president is appealing.

The ACLU said the order is vague enough to violate Trump’s due process rights, contending he “cannot possibly know” what he is permitted to say.
“The entire order hinges on the meaning of the word ‘target,’” the ACLU wrote in its brief. “But that meaning is ambiguous, and fails to provide the fair warning that the Constitution demands, especially when, as here, it concerns a prior restraint on speech.”

The civil liberties group also contended the order is overly broad in violation of Trump’s First Amendment rights, saying it could prevent him from speaking about key points in the campaign, including the results of the 2020 presidential election and the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
“This case is already one of the most talked-about trials of all time,” the ACLU wrote. “There may never have been a better-known criminal case in American history, or a better-known defendant. With that in mind, to the extent that the Court’s order seeks to prevent future statements from affecting the impartiality of the potential jury pool, the order seems unlikely to make much of a difference.”
The gag order is one of two imposed on Trump in his various cases.

In his civil fraud trial in New York, the former president was placed under a narrow gag order after attacking the judge’s principal clerk. That judge has since found Trump violated the order on two occasions and issued fines.
The ACLU filing comes the same day Trump unexpectedly took the stand in the New York case to answer allegations of violating the order.
Judge Arthur Engoron asked whether Trump made a reported comment that he is a “very partisan judge with a person who is very partisan sitting alongside him, perhaps even more partisan than he is.” Trump nodded, responding “yes.”

“To whom were you referring?” Engoron asked.
“You and [Michael] Cohen,” Trump replied.
“Are you sure that you didn’t mean the person on the other side, my principal law clerk?” Engoron asked.

“Yes, I’m sure,” Trump said.
The judge fined Trump $10,000.
 

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ACLU sides with Trump, argues Jan. 6 case gag order is unconstitutional
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on Wednesday urged the judge overseeing former President Trump’s federal 2020 election criminal case in D.C. to reevaluate her gag order, arguing it is unconstitutionally overly broad and vague.

“Former President, and now Defendant, Donald Trump has said many things,” the ACLU and its D.C. affiliate wrote in court filings. “Much that he has said has been patently false and has caused great harm to countless individuals, as well as to the Republic itself. Some of his words and actions have led him to this criminal indictment, which alleges grave wrongdoing in contempt of the peaceful transition of power.”

“But Trump retains a First Amendment right to speak, and the rest of us retain a right to hear what he has to say,” the brief continued.
U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan last week granted special counsel Jack Smith’s motion to impose a gag order on Trump after he made a series of incendiary Truth Social posts attacking D.C. and various people involved in his case.

Trump is charged with four federal felony counts over his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, one of four criminal indictments he faces. He pleaded not guilty and has filed a variety of motions seeking to toss the charges.
Chutkan’s gag order, which is currently paused, bars Trump and his attorneys from speech that would “target” foreseeable witnesses, prosecutors in the case and court personnel. The former president is appealing.

The ACLU said the order is vague enough to violate Trump’s due process rights, contending he “cannot possibly know” what he is permitted to say.
“The entire order hinges on the meaning of the word ‘target,’” the ACLU wrote in its brief. “But that meaning is ambiguous, and fails to provide the fair warning that the Constitution demands, especially when, as here, it concerns a prior restraint on speech.”

The civil liberties group also contended the order is overly broad in violation of Trump’s First Amendment rights, saying it could prevent him from speaking about key points in the campaign, including the results of the 2020 presidential election and the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
“This case is already one of the most talked-about trials of all time,” the ACLU wrote. “There may never have been a better-known criminal case in American history, or a better-known defendant. With that in mind, to the extent that the Court’s order seeks to prevent future statements from affecting the impartiality of the potential jury pool, the order seems unlikely to make much of a difference.”
The gag order is one of two imposed on Trump in his various cases.

In his civil fraud trial in New York, the former president was placed under a narrow gag order after attacking the judge’s principal clerk. That judge has since found Trump violated the order on two occasions and issued fines.
The ACLU filing comes the same day Trump unexpectedly took the stand in the New York case to answer allegations of violating the order.
Judge Arthur Engoron asked whether Trump made a reported comment that he is a “very partisan judge with a person who is very partisan sitting alongside him, perhaps even more partisan than he is.” Trump nodded, responding “yes.”

“To whom were you referring?” Engoron asked.
“You and [Michael] Cohen,” Trump replied.
“Are you sure that you didn’t mean the person on the other side, my principal law clerk?” Engoron asked.

“Yes, I’m sure,” Trump said.
The judge fined Trump $10,000.
The ACLU,

Love their cause, hate some of their clients, support them anyway.
 

topcat

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ACLU sides with Trump, argues Jan. 6 case gag order is unconstitutional
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on Wednesday urged the judge overseeing former President Trump’s federal 2020 election criminal case in D.C. to reevaluate her gag order, arguing it is unconstitutionally overly broad and vague.

“Former President, and now Defendant, Donald Trump has said many things,” the ACLU and its D.C. affiliate wrote in court filings. “Much that he has said has been patently false and has caused great harm to countless individuals, as well as to the Republic itself. Some of his words and actions have led him to this criminal indictment, which alleges grave wrongdoing in contempt of the peaceful transition of power.”

“But Trump retains a First Amendment right to speak, and the rest of us retain a right to hear what he has to say,” the brief continued.
U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan last week granted special counsel Jack Smith’s motion to impose a gag order on Trump after he made a series of incendiary Truth Social posts attacking D.C. and various people involved in his case.

Trump is charged with four federal felony counts over his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, one of four criminal indictments he faces. He pleaded not guilty and has filed a variety of motions seeking to toss the charges.
Chutkan’s gag order, which is currently paused, bars Trump and his attorneys from speech that would “target” foreseeable witnesses, prosecutors in the case and court personnel. The former president is appealing.

The ACLU said the order is vague enough to violate Trump’s due process rights, contending he “cannot possibly know” what he is permitted to say.
“The entire order hinges on the meaning of the word ‘target,’” the ACLU wrote in its brief. “But that meaning is ambiguous, and fails to provide the fair warning that the Constitution demands, especially when, as here, it concerns a prior restraint on speech.”

The civil liberties group also contended the order is overly broad in violation of Trump’s First Amendment rights, saying it could prevent him from speaking about key points in the campaign, including the results of the 2020 presidential election and the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
“This case is already one of the most talked-about trials of all time,” the ACLU wrote. “There may never have been a better-known criminal case in American history, or a better-known defendant. With that in mind, to the extent that the Court’s order seeks to prevent future statements from affecting the impartiality of the potential jury pool, the order seems unlikely to make much of a difference.”
The gag order is one of two imposed on Trump in his various cases.

In his civil fraud trial in New York, the former president was placed under a narrow gag order after attacking the judge’s principal clerk. That judge has since found Trump violated the order on two occasions and issued fines.
The ACLU filing comes the same day Trump unexpectedly took the stand in the New York case to answer allegations of violating the order.
Judge Arthur Engoron asked whether Trump made a reported comment that he is a “very partisan judge with a person who is very partisan sitting alongside him, perhaps even more partisan than he is.” Trump nodded, responding “yes.”

“To whom were you referring?” Engoron asked.
“You and [Michael] Cohen,” Trump replied.
“Are you sure that you didn’t mean the person on the other side, my principal law clerk?” Engoron asked.

“Yes, I’m sure,” Trump said.
The judge fined Trump $10,000.
Is this the first gag order case the ACLU has defended?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The ACLU,

Love their cause, hate some of their clients, support them anyway.
Speech comes with limits nothing is absolute and Trump is testing the boundaries of that. Speech that evokes violence can threaten and harm others and speech which misleads them can kill or harm people, like shouting FIRE in a crowded theater. Donald is an indicted criminal defendant and that comes with other restrictions in lieu of being jailed like paying a bond to be free. If he is disqualified inside 60 days his range of speech will be narrowed further and he might be jailed then and there based on the decision of the SCOTUS to disqualify him. Jail comes with a pretty big muzzle and Donald should be inside one now, Chutkan more or less said the only reason he isn't is because he is running for POTUS and leading his party by a mile.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Is this the first gag order case the ACLU has defended?
If he is disqualified inside 60 days it will be moot because Trump will be jailed after politics is no longer a factor in his prosecution. Right now, he practically controls the GOP house while out on bail and is speaker king maker.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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BREAKING: Donald Trump is dealt a humiliating blow in court as he's sworn in as a witness to answer for violating his gag order — immediately falls flat on his face — and gets slapped with a $10,000 fine.

This is just too good...

Trump was sworn in as a witness to respond to the obviously true allegations that he violated the gag order that prevents him from talking about court staff in his civil fraud case.

The disgraced former president took to the stand, straightened his wrinkled jacket, and sat down. He took the oath and then faced Judge Arthur Engoron.

The judge asked Trump if he had indeed said that he is a "very partisan judge with a person who is very partisan sitting alongside him, perhaps even more partisan than he is."

"Yes," said Trump with a nod.

"To whom were you referring?" Engoron asked.

“You and Cohen,” Trump replied.

"Are you sure that you didn’t mean the person on the other side, my principal law clerk?" Engoron asked.

"Yes I’m sure," Trump said.

Trump left the stand after testifying for a brief three minutes. The judge, unconvinced, then slapped him with a $10,000 fine.

Given Trump's mounting legal fees, this is not the kind of thing he can afford right now.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Trump's disqualification trial begins next week in Colorado, get popcorn. In Colorado cases like this go right to the state supreme court on appeal, from there it goes to the SCOTUS for the final call. I can't see either the state or federal supreme courts spending much time sitting on this or arguing about it.


BREAKING: Donald Trump is rocked by terrible news as a judge rules against him in his desperate attempt to dismiss a Colorado lawsuit that aims to remove him from the 2024 ballot due to his insurrection.

This could be a total disaster for MAGA...

The judge stated that Trump failed to provide any evidence or credible case to law to support his argument that the case is a nonjusticiable political question.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) celebrated the ruling—

"A judge in Colorado just denied Trump's final motion to dismiss the 14th Amendment case to bar him from the ballot brought by six Colorado voters," they wrote. "We're glad to see this thoughtful ruling, which clears the way to present our clients' case at trial beginning Monday."

The lawsuit now has steam.

It argues that Trump must be disqualified from office due to the Insurrection Clause of the 14th Amendment, which bans anyone who has engaged in insurrection against the United States from holding office except by a waiver of Congress. It was originally passed after the Civil War.

Now, Trump will have to face a new trial next week. At this point, it's getting hard to keep track of all of his legal problems.
 

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Mark Meadows gets immunity to testify in federal grand jury about Trump's crimes: Top takeaways.

42,042 views Oct 25, 2023 #TeamJustice
ABC news reported that Donald Trump's former Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows, was granted immunity and compelled to testify in the federal grand jury about the crimes of his former boss.

This video does a deep dive into the ins and outs, the pros and cons of immunity, and discusses why immunizing a person like Mark Meadows is the least best way to obtain evidence about Trump's crimes.
 

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Trump storms out of fraud trial after judge clashes with attorneys, fines him $10,000 | NBC New York

11,402 views Oct 25, 2023
Donald Trump stormed out of his $250 million New York fraud trial Wednesday, shortly after a judge fined him for violating his gag order and then rejected a defense attorney’s bid for a verdict in Trump’s favor. NBC New York’s Erica Byfield reports.
 

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Former DOJ attorney: The 14th Amendment presents a POSSIBLE CONUNDRUM for Trump
Here's the latest on Trump: another fine for violating his gag order, blistering testimony from his former attorney Michael Cohen, and four co-defendants have turned against him in Fulton County. So, the question that's on everyone's minds: Can Trump be excluded from the ballot in 2024? What a privilege to have Jim Walden on our channel to explain the potential of section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Jail appears to be in Trump's future, he hung himself with his mouth and the heat hasn't even been turned up yet! His disqualification trial begins next week and that might change his bail statues.

It looks like Donald is gonna order his GOP house to impeach Chutkan, it's about all he can do, get the house to impeach his judge, or try, at least an impeachment investigation and subpoenas for her issued by Gym Jordan! :lol: Good luck with that.


FED UP Jack Smith PUTS THE SCREWS in Trump, URGENT Motion

The Department of Justice – in an explosive new filing – is calling Donald Trump a menace to society, and is demanding that a federal judge in DC not only reimpose her gag order on him, but also make as a condition of his release from custody that he no longer attack witnesses or face JAIL TIME. Michael Popok of Legal AF reports on the government’s efforts to convince Judge Chutkan, based on Trump’s conduct just this week, that Donald Trump should no longer be given the benefit of the doubt and needs to be re-gagged immediately and face the threat of jail time to stop him from attacking prosecutors and continuing his campaign of witness intimidation.
 
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