TRUMP CONVICTED

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 1, 2023

BudmanTX said:
like i mention it was just a guess....we won't know till the election gets closer and closer on what the states will do or something that will ever happen....we can speculate all we want. Keep in mind this amendment is 200yrs old + or -, and has never been used with the exception of the civil war in the 1800's.....

The reason Mitch is having fainting spells is thinking so hard about ways to keep Trump off the republican primary ballot using the 14th, almost all the republican justices owe him their seats, not Trump. If they are gonna use the 14th to keep Trump off the primary ballot with a court case, they will use proxies to do it and have clean hands and a good shot in November with Donald gone by the end of this year from the primaries and in prison part way through them, bye Donald. The GOP will use the 14th first and as early as they can!

You know Mitch, Rove and the rest of the establishment republicans, what do you think he will do about the 14th, Trump and the republican primaries? They will express their regrets and sympathize with the base, thoughts and prayers... They have to get rid of Trump before the primaries and the 14th with this court is their best shot. If it were up to Joe, he would get him disqualified on the eve of the election, but would use a proxy, but it would not be required, plenty of people will be suing to keep Trump off the ballot.

This is the way I see things shaping up at this point, the GOP or somebody else will use the 14th against Trump before the GOP primaries. By the time his trials roll around he will be a sideshow for entertainment purposes only. Between when he is disqualified by the SCOTUS (before the primaries) and convicted over J6 in the spring, it should be interesting, what will he have to say in public as a dead man walking. A call for revolution would be a mistake while out on bail and so would saying a lot of other things after the SCOTUS disqualifies him from the primary ballot! :lol:

BudmanTX · Sep 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
It was used in NM to keep a magat who trespassed on J6 off the 2022 ballot. It is 150 years old and is just as valid today as then. The 14th and 15th also freed the slaves, gave black men the vote and eventually women the franchise after WW1.

if your talking about this one:

New Mexico banishes Trump ally from office for insurrection

A New Mexico state district court judge has disqualified county commissioner and Cowboys for Trump cofounder Couy Griffin from holding public office.

apnews.com

at the bottom of the article it has a few other that are using the 14th but they are having a hard time applicating it to now.....

"In Georgia, a federal judge allowed a 14th Amendment challenge against Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green to advance, but a state administrative law judge found there wasn’t sufficient evidence to back voters’ claims that she had engaged in insurrection, and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Greene was qualified to run.
Greene won her primary, and the Georgia Supreme Court upheld the decision last week to leave her on the ballot. The federal appeal is pending."

MTG^

In North Carolina, a federal judge blocked the state elections board from formally examining whether U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn, who spoke at the rally that preceded the riot, should remain on the state’s May 17 primary ballot.
Cawthorn narrowly lost that election, and later in May a federal appeals court reversed the lower court decision. The panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the trial judge got it wrong when he ruled that an 1872 law that removed office-holding disqualifications from most ex-Confederates also exempted current members of Congress like Cawthorn. The lawsuit was ultimately dismissed as moot because Cawthorn isn’t on the November ballot.

Cawthorn^

Arizona state courts have kept U.S. Reps. Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs and a state legislator on the ballot amid efforts to disqualify them. A judge agreed in April with the lawmakers that Congress created no enforcement mechanism for the 14th Amendment, barring a criminal conviction.

Gosar and Biggs^

like i've been mentioning there are no precedents to use with the exception of the civil war......

Fogdog · Sep 1, 2023

printer said:
DOJ loses on appeal in trying to block Trump deposition
The D.C. Appeals Court ruled Friday that former President Trump can be deposed in suits against the FBI brought by former agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.
The Department of Justice appealed a ruling from a lower court in July, which came to the same conclusion.

Strzok is suing the bureau for wrongful termination and Page is suing for invasion of privacy after the pair were embroiled in a political scandal due to work on the bureau’s investigation into Trump’s ties to Russia in 2018.

Text messages became public in which the pair spoke about how they personally disliked Trump, causing concern that the entire investigation was biased, later resulting in Page resigning and Strzok being fired.

“Only the most extraordinary of circumstances would justify allowing a plaintiff to depose a former high-level official about actions he took in the course of his official duties. This case falls far short of that standard,” DOJ attorneys argued in their appeal.
FBI Director Christopher Wray and former Trump chief of staff John Kelly already testified for the lawsuits, making Trump’s testimony unnecessary, the DOJ argued.

The appeals court ruled that District Judge Amy Berman Jackson properly considered the DOJ’s concerns about a former president being deposed and came to her conclusion justly.

“Having employed particular ‘deference and restraint’ considering the separation-of-powers concerns at issue, the district court ultimately concluded that ‘extraordinary circumstances’ warranted the deposition of the former President,” according to the ruling.

“Under these circumstances, petitioners have not shown that the district court’s conclusion was a clear abuse of discretion warranting mandamus relief,” it continued.

Kelly said in his testimony that Trump “wanted to see Mr. Strzok fired” and considered other retaliation.

“President Trump questioned whether investigations by the Internal Revenue Service or other federal agencies should be undertaken into Mr. Strzok and/or Ms. Page. I do not know of President Trump ordering such an investigation. It appeared, however, that he wanted to see Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page investigated,” Kelly said.

Trump has extensively spoken about Strzok and Page on social media.
The case now returns to Jackson, who previously said that she would allow Trump to be deposed for a short period of time on limited subject matter relevant to the suits.

DOJ loses on appeal in trying to block Trump deposition

The D.C. Appeals Court ruled Friday that former President Trump can be deposed in suits against the FBI brought by former agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. The Department of Justice appealed a rul…

thehill.com

I remember hearing about it at the time but there was so much BS coming from inmate P01135809 's administration that I didn't pay much attention.

It's breathtaking how servile the DOJ was to Trump at the time.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/908016924/peter-strzok-notorious-ex-g-man-explains-himself-and-takes-aim-at-trump

Trump: New Strzok-Page texts are 'disaster' for FBI, Justice Department

"More text messages between former FBI employees Peter Strzok and Lisa Page are a disaster and embarrassment to the FBI & DOJ," Trump tweeted.

www.politico.com

Trump became obsessed with Strzok and Page and used them to deflect attention away the facts about his campaign's collusion with Russia leading up to the 2016 election. They were involved with each other and passed text messages back and forth between each other without realizing they would be used against them later on. They were contemptuous of Trump and said so in their messages. Trump seized on that, claiming it was proof that the DOJ was conspiring against him to gin up the "witch hunt".

Trump and others have suggested that Strzok’s and Page’s activities are part of a larger “deep state” scheme within the Justice Department to undermine the president. Trump has consistently called Mueller’s investigation into whether Russia colluded with his 2016 campaign a “witch hunt,” even though that probe has secured multiple indictments and the cooperation of at least four former Trump campaign officials.

Strzok recalled this being said by Inspector General Horowitz during a meeting with him:

He sits with Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who says, per Strzok: " 'Pete,' Horowitz said, 'we're not saying you acted with bias. We're saying we can't eliminate the possibility that bias played a role in your decision-making.' "

For that he was fired. So now, Trump will be deposed. If he repeats the crap he said in 2018, Strzok and Page are due a nice pay day.

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 1, 2023

BudmanTX said:
if your talking about this one:

New Mexico banishes Trump ally from office for insurrection

A New Mexico state district court judge has disqualified county commissioner and Cowboys for Trump cofounder Couy Griffin from holding public office.

apnews.com

at the bottom of the article it has a few other that are using the 14th but they are having a hard time applicating it to now.....

"In Georgia, a federal judge allowed a 14th Amendment challenge against Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green to advance, but a state administrative law judge found there wasn’t sufficient evidence to back voters’ claims that she had engaged in insurrection, and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Greene was qualified to run.
Greene won her primary, and the Georgia Supreme Court upheld the decision last week to leave her on the ballot. The federal appeal is pending."

MTG^

In North Carolina, a federal judge blocked the state elections board from formally examining whether U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn, who spoke at the rally that preceded the riot, should remain on the state’s May 17 primary ballot.
Cawthorn narrowly lost that election, and later in May a federal appeals court reversed the lower court decision. The panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the trial judge got it wrong when he ruled that an 1872 law that removed office-holding disqualifications from most ex-Confederates also exempted current members of Congress like Cawthorn. The lawsuit was ultimately dismissed as moot because Cawthorn isn’t on the November ballot.

Cawthorn^

Arizona state courts have kept U.S. Reps. Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs and a state legislator on the ballot amid efforts to disqualify them. A judge agreed in April with the lawmakers that Congress created no enforcement mechanism for the 14th Amendment, barring a criminal conviction.

Gosar and Biggs^

like i've been mentioning there are no precedents to use with the exception of the civil war......

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697689469686514171

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 1, 2023

Fogdog said:
I remember hearing about it at the time but there was so much BS coming from inmate P01135809 's administration that I didn't pay much attention.

It's breathtaking how servile the DOJ was to Trump at the time.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/908016924/peter-strzok-notorious-ex-g-man-explains-himself-and-takes-aim-at-trump

Trump: New Strzok-Page texts are 'disaster' for FBI, Justice Department

"More text messages between former FBI employees Peter Strzok and Lisa Page are a disaster and embarrassment to the FBI & DOJ," Trump tweeted.

www.politico.com

Trump became obsessed with Strzok and Page and used them to deflect attention away the facts about his campaign's collusion with Russia leading up to the 2016 election. They were involved with each other and passed text messages back and forth between each other without realizing they would be used against them later on. They were contemptuous of Trump and said so in their messages. Trump seized on that, claiming it was proof that the DOJ was conspiring against him to gin up the "witch hunt".

Trump and others have suggested that Strzok’s and Page’s activities are part of a larger “deep state” scheme within the Justice Department to undermine the president. Trump has consistently called Mueller’s investigation into whether Russia colluded with his 2016 campaign a “witch hunt,” even though that probe has secured multiple indictments and the cooperation of at least four former Trump campaign officials.

Strzok recalled this being said by Inspector General Horowitz during a meeting with him:

He sits with Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who says, per Strzok: " 'Pete,' Horowitz said, 'we're not saying you acted with bias. We're saying we can't eliminate the possibility that bias played a role in your decision-making.' "

For that he was fired. So now, Trump will be deposed. If he repeats the crap he said in 2018, Strzok and Page are due a nice pay day.

Strzok has been doing well as a talking head on TV and with a book, as have others. The DOJ just had to go through the motions to protect the office of the president.

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 1, 2023

BudmanTX said:
if your talking about this one:

New Mexico banishes Trump ally from office for insurrection

A New Mexico state district court judge has disqualified county commissioner and Cowboys for Trump cofounder Couy Griffin from holding public office.

apnews.com

at the bottom of the article it has a few other that are using the 14th but they are having a hard time applicating it to now.....

"In Georgia, a federal judge allowed a 14th Amendment challenge against Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green to advance, but a state administrative law judge found there wasn’t sufficient evidence to back voters’ claims that she had engaged in insurrection, and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Greene was qualified to run.
Greene won her primary, and the Georgia Supreme Court upheld the decision last week to leave her on the ballot. The federal appeal is pending."

MTG^

In North Carolina, a federal judge blocked the state elections board from formally examining whether U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn, who spoke at the rally that preceded the riot, should remain on the state’s May 17 primary ballot.
Cawthorn narrowly lost that election, and later in May a federal appeals court reversed the lower court decision. The panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the trial judge got it wrong when he ruled that an 1872 law that removed office-holding disqualifications from most ex-Confederates also exempted current members of Congress like Cawthorn. The lawsuit was ultimately dismissed as moot because Cawthorn isn’t on the November ballot.

Cawthorn^

Arizona state courts have kept U.S. Reps. Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs and a state legislator on the ballot amid efforts to disqualify them. A judge agreed in April with the lawmakers that Congress created no enforcement mechanism for the 14th Amendment, barring a criminal conviction.

Gosar and Biggs^

like i've been mentioning there are no precedents to use with the exception of the civil war......

There is a lot more on Trump over J6 than on any of them, J6 panel findings, and judicial opinions, there are plenty of grounds to appeal to the SCOTUS. Trump might not be convicted of the crimes related to J6 by the primaries, but he should be by the election for sure and sentenced too. It would be best for the GOP if the SCOTUS disqualified Trump before the primaries and for the rest of America by the election, possibly throwing the republicans into confusion and disarray during the primaries. If Trump loses the primaries, he will claim he was cheated and attack the nominee and GOP on his way to prison.

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 1, 2023

Early trials are a way to keep the costs down and so are guilty pleas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697704702425915619

BREAKING: Karma strikes MAGA world as it's revealed that several of Donald Trump's co-defendants in the Fulton County criminal case are struggling terribly to pay their legal bills — and Trump isn't bailing them out.

This could be the mistake that comes back to bite Donald. If he abandons them, there's nothing to stop them from flipping on him completely and airing every single one of his crimes.

At least four of the co-defendants have desperately turned to crowdfunding websites to raise money to pay their lawyers.

One has even formed a PAC to pay for his defense.

Still another ended up spending an entire week in jail because he couldn't scrape together the funds to pay an attorney at first.

So far, there is absolutely no indication that Trump intends to assist them financially even though his PACs continue to rake in cash.

True to backstabbing form, Trump even went on Newsmax and said of his co-defendants that he doesn't know "a lot of these people."

"And they don’t have a lot of money, and some of them just almost nothing," said Trump.

Co-defendant Jenna Ellis, a far-right lawyer who represented Trump in 2020, whined about the current state of affairs.

"I was reliably informed Trump isn’t funding any of us who are indicted," she said.

This is exactly the kind of legal betrayal that these crooks deserve. Everything Trump touches dies and when the going gets tough, he always throws his underlings under the bus.

Hopefully, they all end up in prison.

BudmanTX · Sep 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697689469686514171

well at least they are talking about it.....that's a good thing

BudmanTX · Sep 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
Early trials are a way to keep the costs down and so are guilty pleas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697704702425915619

BREAKING: Karma strikes MAGA world as it's revealed that several of Donald Trump's co-defendants in the Fulton County criminal case are struggling terribly to pay their legal bills — and Trump isn't bailing them out.

This could be the mistake that comes back to bite Donald. If he abandons them, there's nothing to stop them from flipping on him completely and airing every single one of his crimes.

At least four of the co-defendants have desperately turned to crowdfunding websites to raise money to pay their lawyers.

One has even formed a PAC to pay for his defense.

Still another ended up spending an entire week in jail because he couldn't scrape together the funds to pay an attorney at first.

So far, there is absolutely no indication that Trump intends to assist them financially even though his PACs continue to rake in cash.

True to backstabbing form, Trump even went on Newsmax and said of his co-defendants that he doesn't know "a lot of these people."

"And they don’t have a lot of money, and some of them just almost nothing," said Trump.

Co-defendant Jenna Ellis, a far-right lawyer who represented Trump in 2020, whined about the current state of affairs.

"I was reliably informed Trump isn’t funding any of us who are indicted," she said.

This is exactly the kind of legal betrayal that these crooks deserve. Everything Trump touches dies and when the going gets tough, he always throws his underlings under the bus.

Hopefully, they all end up in prison.

Fogdog · Sep 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
Strzok has been doing well as a talking head on TV and with a book, as have others. The DOJ just had to go through the motions to protect the office of the president.

The DOJ was supine to Trump during his time in office. I realize that putting an elected official in charge of civil servants was what the founders had in mind when they made the President head of the executive. But if you read what went down under his term, Trump was not only pressuring the DOJ to violate terms of employment in the DOJ, he was pushing for the DOJ to persecute his political enemies and the IRS to open investigations without cause.

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 1, 2023

BudmanTX said:
well at least they are talking about it.....that's a good thing

The talk and the actions will only increase with the establishment republicans being the most desperate of all for an early resolution. The 14th stands like a wall between Trump and any elected office, and the SCOTUS will not ignore it. IMO it is the biggest issue in the 24 election and when it is resolved will largely determine the election outcome, an early resolution before the primaries favors the republicans and a late one on the eve of the election when Trump files to run (at the last minute) as republican nominee, will favor the democrats.

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 1, 2023

Fogdog said:
The DOJ was supine to Trump during his time in office. I realize that putting an elected official in charge of civil servants was what the founders had in mind when they made the President head of the executive. But if you read what went down under his term, Trump was not only pressuring the DOJ to violate terms of employment in the DOJ, he was pushing for the DOJ to persecute his political enemies and the IRS to open investigations without cause.

So much crime, so little time, as I said Garland will need to give Trump a pass on a lot of crimes as a practical matter, since he would be in a cage until removed in a bag any way. It is the proper use of prosecutorial discretion and would be a waste of time and resources, he should issue a report to congress, and they can issue their own based on his and embellished with further facts, the Strzok affair among them. Other people in the government who carried out illegal orders could be of interest though, but everybody was under the gun with Trump so I would expect some slack, the DOJ is not blameless either.

BudmanTX · Sep 1, 2023

well it looks like someone's light bulb came one........

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1393168815677218818

don't mind the moths....

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 2, 2023

Anybody surprised? Maybe Eric...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697990069880316383

topcat · Sep 2, 2023

Yeah. Start at 2:00

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 2, 2023

topcat said:
Yeah. Start at 2:00

Donald is teaching family values, he a good Christian man! :lol:

DIY-HP-LED · Sep 2, 2023

How to DISQUALIFY Trump under 14th Amendment IMMEDIATELY

4,638 views Sep 2, 2023 Lights On with Jessica Denson
Donald Trump is disqualified from ever holding office again, and the case for why Section 3 of the 14th Amendment must be enforced is gaining more and more traction. Noah Bookbinder, president of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), joins Jessica Denson to discuss the latest developments, the responsibility of Secretaries of State to keep Trump off the ballot, and the legal actions CREW and others are beginning to take.

Fogdog · Sep 2, 2023

topcat said:
Yeah. Start at 2:00

Isn't this a bit hyped and misrepresented? for once Prisoner Trump is telling the truth. For the past six years or so his sons (probably Eric) were SUPPOSED to be running the family business while Prisoner Trump was out saving the world (in his own mind). The fraud he, his family and his company are being sued over was committed well before 2016.

"James sued Trump last September, alleging he inflated the value of assets like his Mar-a-Lago estate for at least a decade. Her lawsuit seeks $250 million in penalties and a ban on Trump doing business in New York."

Trump dismissive as New York attorney general accuses him of inflating his net worth by $2 billion

Newly released testimony shows Donald Trump defending his real estate empire and his presidency in a face-to-face clash with the New York attorney general suing him for fraud.

apnews.com

topcat · Sep 2, 2023

Fogdog said:
Isn't this a bit hyped and misrepresented? for once Prisoner Trump is telling the truth. For the past six years or so his sons (probably Eric) were SUPPOSED to be running the family business while Prisoner Trump was out saving the world (in his own mind). The fraud he, his family and his company are being sued over was committed well before 2016.

"James sued Trump last September, alleging he inflated the value of assets like his Mar-a-Lago estate for at least a decade. Her lawsuit seeks $250 million in penalties and a ban on Trump doing business in New York."

Trump dismissive as New York attorney general accuses him of inflating his net worth by $2 billion

Newly released testimony shows Donald Trump defending his real estate empire and his presidency in a face-to-face clash with the New York attorney general suing him for fraud.

apnews.com

Of course, but that needs to be done and needs to be repeated. That's what gets through, like it, or not. People love the headlines, not necessarily the story. This publicity stunt is coming back to convict him. His whole persona that he crafted is crashing down. Finally. He's his worst enemy if he testifies. He can't help but lie, then go off on tangents, which lead to more lies. See where that goes. Misrepresented? I don't think so.

cannabineer · Sep 2, 2023

topcat said:
Of course, but that needs to be done and needs to be repeated. That's what gets through, like it, or not. People love the headlines, not necessarily the story. This publicity stunt is coming back to convict him. His whole persona that he crafted is crashing down. Finally. He's his worst enemy if he testifies. He can't help but lie, then go off on tangents, which lead to more lies. See where that goes. Misrepresented? I don't think so.

The bit about preventing a nuclear holocaust because Korea as as ripe as his proposal to thermonuke some weather.

I’ll worry when I hear the low growl of a Korean People’s Army Air- and Antiair Force heavy bomber’s radial engines.

TRUMP CONVICTED

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Ursus marijanus