The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

hazyintentions said:

I just addressed this, can't you read?
I've many many immigrants from Mexico who did come here legaaly, they went throu ghthe steps to get their work permits and paid what the government wanted. Something like a small chunk of each paycheck until they paid about 5,000 to the government for their citizenship. Not the most ideal way for it to be done but still realistic.

What's unrealistic is allowing illegals to come here and then siphon off what work and money they can to send back Mexico and defend them for breaking the law!





hey, what was the bet again?

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Sir with all due respect
You are Full of shit or they are. My wife and i went thru the Immigration Process. Lucky for us she wasnt Mexican. The wait to get a visa is decades if your a Mexican. And although it costs Money its no where near 5 grand.

F1 F2bs F3 and F4 visas are at a minimum 15 year wait just to get a visa
http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5542.html

Now you want to talk about Immigration? I been thru the process.

hazyintentions said:

I just addressed this, can't you read?
I've many many immigrants from Mexico who did come here legaaly, they went throu ghthe steps to get their work permits and paid what the government wanted. Something like a small chunk of each paycheck until they paid about 5,000 to the government for their citizenship. Not the most ideal way for it to be done but still realistic.

What's unrealistic is allowing illegals to come here and then siphon off what work and money they can to send back Mexico and defend them for breaking the law!





hey, what was the bet again?

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Actually it's really hard for foreigners to come to America, plus costs are rather outrageous. The most prosperous time for our nation followed the massive flux of immigration. Think about it: Nikola Tesla was an immigrant. Without him, me and you wouldn't be talking right now

If ron paul wins the primaries he has to put his sig to whatever I want and vice versa.

dukeanthony said:

Sir with all due respect
You are Full of shit or they are. My wife and i went thru the Immigration Process. Lucky for us she wasnt Mexican. The wait to get a visa is decades if your a Mexican. And although it costs Money its no where near 5 grand.

F1 F2bs F3 and F4 visas are at a minimum 15 year wait just to get a visa
http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5542.html

Now you want to talk about Immigration? I been thru the process.

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I must apologize, I never realize just how big of a bureaucratic clusterfuck our immigration have become. Now I must level and say the I do feel the pain of illegal immigrants and feel that we need to severely and completely redesign our immigration laws because it's all a undecipherable mess.

With that said we can't as a nation let our borders become a feeble line drawn in the sand, we can't reward non citizens simply because they were born in a different country of poverty; albeit it's a shitty affair to be involved in if we we're to do that we might as well send a check out to every single citizen of every country for being born in a "3rd world country" because that's the message we are currently sending. We need to correct the root of the problem not try to disguise it by approaching the symptoms.

hazyintentions said:

I must apologize, I never realize just how big of a bureaucratic clusterfuck our immigration have become. Now I must level and say the I do feel the pain of illegal immigrants and feel that we need to severely and completely redesign our immigration laws because it's all a undecipherable mess.

With that said we can't as a nation let our borders become a feeble line drawn in the sand, we can't reward non citizens simply because they were born in a different country of poverty; albeit it's a shitty affair to be involved in if we we're to do that we might as well send a check out to every single citizen of every country for being born in a "3rd world country" because that's the message we are currently sending. We need to correct the root of the problem not try to disguise it by approaching the symptoms.

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You know I understand where you are about to go. SO let me relay this conversation I had with a Meatpacker a Farmer and a Restaurant owner.

They told me we need to fix immigration becuase they just cannot get enough College educated Professionals to
cut the Meat
pick the crops
and do the dishes

Immigration is one of the few things congress has constitutional authority on... and they have failed miserably. Many on the right seem to think that America is some type of country club, while many on the left wish to open the borders with little regard as to who is coming in. Both sides have at one time or another implemented quotas, and both have engaged in racism while doing so. Keeping a steady influx of immigrants keeps Americans productive, it keeps us from becoming lazy... so to speak.

What I think would be a proper immigration policy is to allow as many people in as we can process (however we cannot be giving them handouts, they must be able to support themselves or find assistance though private organizations). We should not require that they speak English (however we should not be catering to their native languages - perhaps supplying them with a whatever-English dictionary?). We should stop only those who have committed crimes against others in their country of origin (force and fraud types of laws), and stop those who carry communicable diseases (polio, smallpox carriers, etc. - would not include STDs, as those are not communicable to the public through everyday contact).

This idea that the United States is some type of exclusive club is one of the worst forms of collectivism out there, second only to racism. I think if we were to remove the government welfare systems, we would see a surge of support for a liberal immigration policy from everyone, including the right (of course there would still be a few asshats, but they and their racist/nationalist philosophy will die off soon enough).

dukeanthony said:

You know I understand where you are about to go. SO let me relay this conversation I had with a Meatpacker a Farmer and a Restaurant owner.

They told me we need to fix immigration becuase they just cannot get enough College educated Professionals to
cut the Meat
pick the crops
and do the dishes

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I honestly wasn't about to say illegal workers take our jobs, people who play that line are just as ignorant as I am towards the immigration process. The jobs up for competition are only ups for competition when the government gives illegal immigrants rights equal to our native born citizens.

hazyintentions said:

I honestly wasn't about to say illegal workers take our jobs, people who play that line are just as ignorant as I am towards the immigration process. The jobs up for competition are only ups for competition when the government gives illegal immigrants rights equal to our native born citizens.

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Other than what are founding Fathers intended for all People on our Soil

Can you name what rights they have that are equal to ours?

"Keeping a steady influx of immigrants keeps Americans productive"

Keeping a "steady influx of immigrants" (mostly illegal) is turning us into a third world nation, which is what the globalist societal engineers want. They are destroying the middle class, as the gap between rich and poor gets larger and larger.
It is all part of integrating the Mexico, the former USA, and Canada. It's called the NAU or North American Union. GWB, Vicente Fox, and that other ahole from Canada signed the documents in Texas at Baylor University a few years back.
The reason Congress has done nothing about it, is because they are irrelevant now. They've either been blackmailed, bribed, or threatened. Look how 81 of our supposed "elected representatives" just went to Israel. You think they have any allegiance to this country? AIPAC is running the show. Just look at the standing ovation NetenYAHOO got when he addressed the House, after Ohmamma told them to go back to their pre '67 borders. They laughed in his face.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent. This country is corrupt to the core. It is either going to be rebooted (getting back to the Constitution) by getting Ron Paul in the WH, or it is going to go up in flames, and then "they" will bring in "order out of chaos". NAU, Troops on the streets, dollar collapse, riots. If people think it can't happen here, then they are sadly mistaken.
The "immigrant" issue is but a small piece of the puzzle. Respectfully.

The left and the right hate immigrants. If any of you for one moment think that the right is any worse than the left on how they treat Mexicans, then you are sadly ignorant. Isn't Texas, California, and a huge portion of the land to the west is land we stole from these 'immigrants'. A war of American aggression at that.

I don't think coming to America should be near impossible. It is, and it is even harder post 2001. Duke has dealt with it, but I know what it is like from the Mexican side. It is different when you have nothing to start with and you are trying to come to America.

Ron Paul is not again immigration, he is against rewarding people who are breaking the law for breaking the law. It would be like giving money to people who speed.

you said it right when you stated "a huge portion of the land to the west is land we stole from these 'immigrants'. A war of American aggression at that."...I guess they just getting back what they are owed

Jefferson's Ghost said:

"Keeping a steady influx of immigrants keeps Americans productive"

Keeping a "steady influx of immigrants" (mostly illegal) is turning us into a third world nation, which is what the globalist societal engineers want. They are destroying the middle class, as the gap between rich and poor gets larger and larger.

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For someone who uses Thomas Jefferson's name (unless your username refers to some other Jefferson - Perhaps George?), you should read up on some of his writings...

Thomas Jefferson said:

I can not omit recommending a revisal of the laws on the subject of naturalization. Considering the ordinary chances of human life, a denial of citizenship under a residence of 14 years is a denial to a great proportion of those who ask it, and controls a policy pursued from their 1st settlement by many of these States, and still believed of consequence to their prosperity; and shall we refuse to the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution indeed has wisely provided that for admission to certain offices of important trust a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to everyone manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us, with restrictions, perhaps, to guard against the fraudulent usurpation of our flag, an abuse which brings so much embarrassment and loss on the genuine citizen and so much danger to the nation of being involved in war that no endeavor should be spared to detect and suppress it?

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Carthoris said:

The left and the right hate immigrants. If any of you for one moment think that the right is any worse than the left on how they treat Mexicans, then you are sadly ignorant. Isn't Texas, California, and a huge portion of the land to the west is land we stole from these 'immigrants'.

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I cannot speak for California (I'm a bit ignorant when it comes to California history), but Texas joined the union voluntarily. Texas fought for its independence under similar circumstances as the American Revolution. 10 years after Texas had won its independence, we joined the United States.

londonfog said:

you said it right when you stated "a huge portion of the land to the west is land we stole from these 'immigrants'. A war of American aggression at that."...I guess they just getting back what they are owed

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What was stolen from them was stolen by people who have been dead for generations, from people who have also been dead for generations. The immigration policy applied to Mexicans should be no more stringent or lax than the policy applied to other nationalities. See my previous post on what I believe to be a proper immigration policy.

txpete77 said:

What was stolen from them was stolen by people who have been dead for generations, from people who have also been dead for generations. The immigration policy applied to Mexicans should be no more stringent or lax than the policy applied to other nationalities. See my previous post on what I believe to be a proper immigration policy.

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I understand what you saying..but I'm just saying what goes around sometime comes back around..Their ancestors got robbed, so now its the other way around...

londonfog said:

I understand what you saying..but I'm just saying what goes around sometime comes back around..Their ancestors got robbed, so now its the other way around...

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If that ever comes to fruition (Aztlan), those lands will be turned into the same shithole of corruption and murder that is happening south of the border on a daily basis. I often wonder how quickly that would end if drug prohibition (all of them) came to an end.

txpete77 said:

If that ever comes to fruition (Aztlan), those lands will be turned into the same shithole of corruption and murder that is happening south of the border on a daily basis. I often wonder how quickly that would end if drug prohibition (all of them) came to an end.

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I would say 3 days

dukeanthony said:

I would say 3 days

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It would be quick, that's for sure. The longest I would ever think it could last, is as long as it would take for the market to produce and distribute the desired products.

No more getting ripped off by shady dealers, no more risk of being mugged. How many people can bring their bag back to the dealer to demand a refund for shitty weed?

No mention of this on puppet news yet http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-theyre-setting-the-stage-for-violence-in-this-country/

JoeCa1i said:

No mention of this on puppet news yet http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-theyre-setting-the-stage-for-violence-in-this-country/

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Alex jones? ? ?

dukeanthony said:

Nah your just a prejudiced little dick and if you knew better you would know that illegals contribute more than they take in Texas

In a 2006 study, Texas earned more in taxes than it spent on public services to illegal immigrants. State and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide services, but raised an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. The Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal immigrant population in 2006.
Illegal immigrants contribute mostly to state and local through sales and property taxes. A majority of illegal immigrants pay federal, state and local income tax as well. Arizona and Texas' economies and tax policies are similar, suggesting Arizona may also receive net economic and fiscal benefits from illegal immigrants
Economic output of illegal immigrants in Texas was estimated at $17.7 billion in additional gross state product in 2005 alone. Experts estimate Arizona benefits from similar revenue and economic gains from its illegal immigrant population because of similar tax structures and proportionate illegal immigrant populations based on state populations.
Calls for closing the border and deporting all illegal immigrants – which some extreme anti-immigrant groups have called for in Arizona – would have dramatic negative impacts to state economies.

This was on Foxbusiness.com

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you missed the point, douche. Legals will do the jobs, pay those taxes, AND by doing those jobs they no longer are on government assistance. You are not taking into account the future harm legals suffer because of the harm illegals do. How many illegals lost houses? Lost their future?
Minorities are hit harder than anyone you repulsive sack of shit. Who do you think was doing the jobs the illegals are doing now?
The housing bill impacted minorities the most also. What little savings they had, meaning equity, was lost in the crash. The poor, meaning minorities, didn't get bailed out. So next time you regurgitate the sperm from your goats love muscle think before you call someone prejudiced.