The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

londonfog

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Neither of those two are a choice of mine. Both of them are fundamentally disgusting to me. My only hope for the election is that whoever wins is ineffectual instead of effectually destructive. They founding fathers would of revolted and had them both murdered, and for good cause. They would be thoroughly sickened by the election that only determines who gets to decide which scraps that are left of the freedoms they left us get destroyed next. Amusingly, the people in the USA would probably not vote for George Washington.(I' started to say first president, but he wasn't)

As far as you saying it hurts Romney more than Obama - are you serious?
ummm I said it hurts your guy more then mine...Your guy is Ron Paul...My guy is Obama....I say it will be Romney vs Obama 2012...understand now ? Ron Paul will be hurt by this thing you say he likes ( which I kinda doubt that he likes unlimited money in a campaign, but you will say anything before finding out facts)...
 

Mr Neutron

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Ron Paul-2002:

"The so-called reform legislation being proposed is clearly unconstitutional. The First amendment unquestionably grants individuals and businesses the free and unfettered right to advertise, lobby, and contribute to politicians as they choose. More importantly, the Constitution does not grant Congress the power to regulate campaigns. In fact, article II expressly authorizes the regulation of elections, so the omission of campaigns is glaring. While some in the media have raised First amendment questions, few seem to understand that Congress clearly lacks the constitutional power to regulate campaigns at all.

Campaign finance reform really means more regulations, more controls, more telling the American people how they can spend their money and how they can lobby Congress. Your freedoms should not be restricted because some politicians cannot control themselves. The problem is that there are members of Congress who yield to the temptation and influence of money, who effectively sell their votes to those who can give them money and keep them in office. If enough members did not yield to the temptation, they would not have to posture with phony campaign finance reform bills and they would not have to undermine the Constitution."
 

Carthoris

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ummm I think its more to the mind-frame of how the founding fathers thought...but hey if you think that Ron Paul think its ok to give unlimited amounts of money to an election without knowing who or what gave it then ok...One more reason for me not to like him..but to be honest I think it would go against his character from the picture you guys have made him out to be..but what do I know about Ron Paul
I'm guessing you know little to nothing about him. It shouldn't matter how much money I give to a candidate - it is my money. There is a law against foreign donations, so if China donated 10 million it would be illegal already. Where do you see there is no record keeping with super pacs? Ron Paul thinks you should mind your own business and stop being so worried about what others are doing with their money.
 

Carthoris

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ummm I said it hurts your guy more then mine...Your guy is Ron Paul...My guy is Obama....I say it will be Romney vs Obama 2012...understand now ? Ron Paul will be hurt by this thing you say he likes ( which I kinda doubt that he likes unlimited money in a campaign, but you will say anything before finding out facts)...
It doesn't hurt Ron Paul. As far as saying things before finding out facts, I find that laughable coming from a person whose entire knowledge of Ron Paul is from people who hate him and think he is a turtle fucker. The turtle is a willing partner and his sexual preference is none of your business.
 

londonfog

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It doesn't hurt Ron Paul. As far as saying things before finding out facts, I find that laughable coming from a person whose entire knowledge of Ron Paul is from people who hate him and think he is a turtle fucker. The turtle is a willing partner and his sexual preference is none of your business.
LOL..I think I know enough to make sure I will not vote for him...but like I said if you think Ron Paul likes the Citizens United decision then more power to you and Ron...again another reason not to like him...so I guess you will be forced to vote Romney uhhh
 

Carthoris

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LOL..I think I know enough to make sure I will not vote for him...but like I said if you think Ron Paul likes the Citizens United decision then more power to you and Ron...again another reason not to like him...so I guess you will be forced to vote Romney uhhh
I have never really been excited about a politician before Ron Paul. I know that Obama is not to be trusted and that he is another in a long line of authoritarian douche bags. (R and D's). If I have to I will vote for Romney, but it will be an unhappy compromise vote. I know in my heart that whether Romney or Obama wins - the country is doomed without the leadership of people like Ron Paul. I see a glimmer of hope in the Republican and Independent ranks.
 

NoDrama

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ummm I said it hurts your guy more then mine...Your guy is Ron Paul...My guy is Obama....I say it will be Romney vs Obama 2012...understand now ? Ron Paul will be hurt by this thing you say he likes ( which I kinda doubt that he likes unlimited money in a campaign, but you will say anything before finding out facts)...
wow dude, you love obama so much you are willing to become a republican, vote in the repub primary for someone you know can't win against Obama. The only person you WON'T vote for is Ron Paul though. Telling, very telling. Shrewd.

Romney will be eaten alive by Obama.
 

londonfog

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wow dude, you love obama so much you are willing to become a republican, vote in the repub primary for someone you know can't win against Obama. The only person you WON'T vote for is Ron Paul though. Telling, very telling. Shrewd.

Romney will be eaten alive by Obama.
Hey Nodrama how do you think Ron Paul feels about Super Pacs and the 2010 Supreme Court decision to allow corporations, unions and individuals the right to donate unlimited funds to outside groups to campaign for or against candidates..so far it seems like Ron Paul supporters say Ron loves it ( except sync0 )...what say you
 

Mr Neutron

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Hey Nodrama how do you think Ron Paul feels about Super Pacs and the 2010 Supreme Court decision to allow corporations, unions and individuals the right to donate unlimited funds to outside groups to campaign for or against candidates..so far it seems like Ron Paul supporters say Ron loves it ( except sync0 )...what say you
Why don't you just read what Dr Paul said, himself?
 

NoDrama

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Hey Nodrama how do you think Ron Paul feels about Super Pacs and the 2010 Supreme Court decision to allow corporations, unions and individuals the right to donate unlimited funds to outside groups to campaign for or against candidates..so far it seems like Ron Paul supporters say Ron loves it ( except sync0 )...what say you
He is against campaign finance reform (Wrongly IMO). His basis is constitutional separation of powers. Its a legit view and constitutional. IMO I don't know what to do, i guess i would want some kind of limit or cap on how much could be spent. This would change every election of course, but how to admin it all is beyond me, I haven't really given it enough thought.

Here is the archive from 2002 when Dr Paul debated his point to congress.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070303215027/http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr021302.htm

I am not sure what his views are for certain when it comes to superpacs, they are fairly new and a cursory search hasn't revealed his stance, though im sure the more astute RP observer could find it.
 

londonfog

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Thank you for the answer and pointing me in the right direction...ok I don't see why he would not be against this...After seeing how Romney just made an easy million dollars, it got me to thinking what would stop any nation from influencing our elections...Hell set up a dummy corporation , transfer money from corp to candidate...dissolve said company..Hell this could work for any nation..Saudi, Israel, China, Iran..hell nation with an interest of controlling America....This is not good
 

Carthoris

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Thank you for the answer and pointing me in the right direction...ok I don't see why he would not be against this...After seeing how Romney just made an easy million dollars, it got me to thinking what would stop any nation from influencing our elections...Hell set up a dummy corporation , transfer money from corp to candidate...dissolve said company..Hell this could work for any nation..Saudi, Israel, China, Iran..hell nation with an interest of controlling America....This is not good
I don't think you misunderstand what a super pac is. A 'pac' is a political action committee. They don't transfer money to the candidate, they merely work towards getting them elected. The 'super pac' is just a word they made up when they decided that restricting how much money private organizations can spend on promoting a candidate was a violation of free speech. This would be like me taking my personal money and running ads about Ron Paul. Obviously Ron Paul isn't telling me to run ads for him or what to run. It is already illegal for a foreign country to donate money to a political campaign - either directly or in the way that you mentioned. They call that fraud. There is nothing that kept them from doing that before now, and in fact Obama returned donations from other countries because of fraud.

Making it illegal for me, you, and other American citizens to throw our full support behind a cause, candidate, or idea is nothing short of an extreme limitation on our rights to free speech. Why not limit the amount of time you can donate to a cause? Isn't working for months on a campaign worth more than 2500? I spent more drinking in Europe on my vacation than I am allowed to give to Ron Paul. If I had 10,000 I wanted to give to Ron Paul, would you consider that to be wrong? You are talking about a guy I honestly believe would keep our country from collapsing completely in the coming years. That is worth a lot more than the 2,500 I am allowed to give to him to me. I worked for the money - why would I not be able to buy 5k pounds of bologna or give Ron Paul a 2 minute commercial during prime time?

I trust stupid people to vote about as much as I trust a corporation. We should probably limit voting to people who can read and write. If they can't do those two things, they probably aren't capable of understanding the very politics they are voting on. That would be illegal though, and for good reason.
 

londonfog

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I don't think you misunderstand what a super pac is. A 'pac' is a political action committee. They don't transfer money to the candidate, they merely work towards getting them elected. The 'super pac' is just a word they made up when they decided that restricting how much money private organizations can spend on promoting a candidate was a violation of free speech. This would be like me taking my personal money and running ads about Ron Paul. Obviously Ron Paul isn't telling me to run ads for him or what to run. It is already illegal for a foreign country to donate money to a political campaign - either directly or in the way that you mentioned. They call that fraud. There is nothing that kept them from doing that before now, and in fact Obama returned donations from other countries because of fraud.

Making it illegal for me, you, and other American citizens to throw our full support behind a cause, candidate, or idea is nothing short of an extreme limitation on our rights to free speech. Why not limit the amount of time you can donate to a cause? Isn't working for months on a campaign worth more than 2500? I spent more drinking in Europe on my vacation than I am allowed to give to Ron Paul. If I had 10,000 I wanted to give to Ron Paul, would you consider that to be wrong? You are talking about a guy I honestly believe would keep our country from collapsing completely in the coming years. That is worth a lot more than the 2,500 I am allowed to give to him to me. I worked for the money - why would I not be able to buy 5k pounds of bologna or give Ron Paul a 2 minute commercial during prime time?

I trust stupid people to vote about as much as I trust a corporation. We should probably limit voting to people who can read and write. If they can't do those two things, they probably aren't capable of understanding the very politics they are voting on. That would be illegal though, and for good reason.
Man do you mean "understand."..shit I'm high and that fucked me up not understanding WTF you meant..lol...stop fucking with my high!!!!...Now sorry, but I do UNDERSTAND whats a superpac..I watched Steven Colbert..lol..but he did show how it can be misused...if you can start a corporation and then donate unlimted money to a committe organized to support ONE certain candidate we can be in a world of trouble...Now you keep thinking anything diffrent and you about to get left behind... read this

A company called W Spann LLC, formed on March 15th, has dissolved shortly after making a $1 million contribution on April 28th to Restore Our Future, a committee organized in support of GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney. According to corporate records obtained by NBC News, the business was formed by Boston-based lawyer Cameron Casey who, as she notes in her online bio on her employer’s website, specializes in “comprehensive estate planning advice to high-net-worth individuals and families.”
The company was dissolved on July 12th, two weeks before Restore Our Future made its first campaign filing. A spokesperson for Ropes & Gray, the law firm for which Casey works, told NBC News that “the firm won’t be making any comment on this matter at this time.” Also noteworthy: Rope & Gray represents Bain Capital, an investment firm formerly headed by Romney.
Adding to the mystery is the fact that the company’s purported address in midtown Manhattan has no records of such a tenant.
A little more about Restore Our Future: The “super PAC,” which maintains that it functions as a separate entity from Romney’s official campaign, was founded by three of Romney’s former political aides. A glance at the group’s website shows no mention of Romney specifically and instead simply notes that “It is time that we restore our future by supporting candidates who have worked in the private sector and created jobs, who understand the economy, and who believe in America, American workers, and American values.” It also claims that it is “Not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee.”
Then again, as NBC points out, Charles R. Spies, the group’s treasurer and Romney’s general counsel during his 2008 presidential bid, made it clear to The Washington Post that the super PAC has a very clear, definite goal:
 

sync0s

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I support the idea of being able to freely choose where your money goes politically, don't get me wrong. However, I'm fully anti-corporation, and I think that if we followed our founding fathers words of wisdom and did everything we could to eliminate these massive corporations (and banks) than we wouldn't have to worry about prohibiting such things.

By the way, setting up a dummy corp and using it to funnel political funds through is money laundering and a felony. A president who was found to get large support like that would get massive heat (providing the media doesn't willfully shove their heads up their asses) and could possibly face impeachment.
 

londonfog

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I support the idea of being able to freely choose where your money goes politically, don't get me wrong. However, I'm fully anti-corporation, and I think that if we followed our founding fathers words of wisdom and did everything we could to eliminate these massive corporations (and banks) than we wouldn't have to worry about prohibiting such things.

By the way, setting up a dummy corp and using it to funnel political funds through is money laundering and a felony. A president who was found to get large support like that would get massive heat (providing the media doesn't willfully shove their heads up their asses) and could possibly face impeachment.
Dude do you know how much money laundering goes on in Washington...and thats just what was done with Romney and W Spann LLC..they just use a middle man...
 

deprave

New Member
If we want to see how Ron Paul really feels about unions and monopolies I think its best to look back to this tape from 1983. Ron Paul explains his stance on unions here well, essentially he believes unions are good so long as they are allowed to compete and so long as they keep healthy competition in the job market. You might find it interesting to know that Ron Paul in his younger years(college), before becoming a congressman was essentially a liberal.


Ladies and gentlemen, its time you understand that Ron Paul is the ANTI-CORPORATION, Ron Paul is the ANTI-MONOPOLY. Please remove Ron Paul from the right wing stereotype that comes to your mind when you hear catch phrases like "union busting" and the like, Ron Paul is not your typical right winger or conservative. Ron Paul does not fit into the the little bracket you have drawn for "Right wing nuts", he is outside of that box.

[video=youtube;8C4gRRk2i-M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4gRRk2i-M&feature=BFa&list=PLBEE6DCF5EB1234B0&index=4[/video]
 

deprave

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The Mitt romney article above also fails to mention that the total is 12.2 million dollars(I think it was 1.1 millionish but on about 10 occasions, cant remember the exact offhand), which funny enough is nearly all of the contributions the Romney campaign has received. I blogged about this and one of the comments was: "No shit, the sheeple don't even know who romney is why would they send him any money" - This comment is hilarious, but it is true. So scratch romney because this has been highly publicized, I really don't understand what kind of conservative would even like romney? now look who remains, easy targets for the msm only.....Will the msm finally push for Ron Paul? Not if their pay checks say otherwise..... The real question is, How good can they make bachman look?


Mitt romney meets a medical marijuana patient and turns his back

[video=youtube;iSnnUC8-y4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSnnUC8-y4Y[/video]


Ron Paul meets that same patient

[video=youtube;JHS_y94H1Dk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHS_y94H1Dk[/video]
 

sync0s

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Dude do you know how much money laundering goes on in Washington...and thats just what was done with Romney and W Spann LLC..they just use a middle man...
You're right. I at times choose to be partially ignorant towards that fact because it makes me hate my country when I think about it...
 

deprave

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Ron Paul on Bloomberg TV 8-8-11

[video=youtube;itWlILr6WAg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itWlILr6WAg[/video]
 
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