The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

[Bulldog73]

Well, I am not one to grow in soil but I wouldn't transfer until you have really developed some strong roots. I would say 2 or 3 weeks, but I also start in rockwool and transport the rockwool cube to my medium. I think there is actually a forum for soil or outdoor growing. I would look there for some answers as well.

 

[Bulldog73]

I didnt 'add' any extra fertiliser at all. Im saying it was the fertilisers in the canna terra pro soil you know?

I thought this Canna soil was just soil, didnt realise it already had too much fertiliser already in it for seedlings.

No one ever says get soil that has no fertiliser in it, to many of us newbies they are the same thing. fertliser/compost/soil, all dirt to grow stuff in. Get my drift?

I do of course appreciate your answers.

I am now starting again, in soil tabs to start with, they have just popped out and under the 400 hps on 24hrs. I would like to know if it will be safe to transplant into this fertilised soil in say, two weeks? Is that recommended time before the first translant so they can cope with the ferts?

Thnx again guys.

You might want to put them under a florescent as seedlings. a 400 Watt HPS is a bit much for little seedlings and it is a colossal waste of electricity at this point. You can probably buy the Florescent fixture and run it for less then you will pay for the electricity of running that HPS 24 hours a day..

 

[jberry]

oh misunderstanding, ive only used the terra pro once and i started with established clones so i didnt get burned, but if i remember correctly it starts with a EC of 1.3 which is pretty high, and far too high for a new seed... sorry you got burned... now you know in the future you can look for a EC or NPK percentages on the bag/bottle of whatever you are buying.

 

[3lions]

Absolutely Jberry, lesson learned and more to learn about it of course. I just think it should be less assumed that everyone knows the differences in soils and ferts etc.

Thanks bulldog, will wait at least 2 weeks then I think

You could be right about flouro etc but just adds hassles i was tryng to avoid. Spanish electrics is a mare.

Again, thanks for the input guys.

 

[pablobendiksen]

Hey Guys I have a truly amazing plant (ill post pics later) that is nearing its time to harvest.
Im using canna coco medium and ive used A%B + PK13/14. Im thinking about cutting it down in 7 days....Should I stop using nutes now and only flush??

 

[Sealion]

I read you can't use canna coco in a recirculating drip system. Why is this and what should I use?

 

[Sealion]

Hey Guys I have a truly amazing plant (ill post pics later) that is nearing its time to harvest.
Im using canna coco medium and ive used A%B + PK13/14. Im thinking about cutting it down in 7 days....Should I stop using nutes now and only flush??

Use a flushing solution for 7-10 days, then flush with ROd water for a few days

 

[jberry]

and keep a little sugar carbs in there during flush if you plan on reusing the coco.

sealion, i dont believe they make a coco nutrient that is designed for recycling your feed water, but some have been able to pull it off with some success.

 

[Sealion]

I see, well drain to waste it is. Thanks for the info. Any suggestions on what to run alongside the canna coco A&B besides what canna suggests( Rhizotonic, Cannazym, and PK 13/14)? How about calmag or any carbohydrates? Maybe benificial bacteria for my roots?

 

[jberry]

I would definitely inoculate with beneficial bacteria/fungi and add a small amount of sugar carbs of some sort into the regular feeding program... I also use MagiCal at 3ml per gal. and a micronutrient product since Canna's formula seems to be lacking some micro elements and cal/mag deficiencies are also common in coco... it is possible that there is micro nutrients in the rhizotonic kelp product but not enough if there is. Fertilizer companies dont have to list the ingredients in supplements, so it is pretty hard to know what is or is not in these products... but based on the deficiencies ive seen when using pure RO water im guessing there isnt much for micros anywhere in the line up.

I also use Humboldts Gravity and its worth trying out.

 

[Dr. VonDank]

Coco just doesnt hold nutes very well and RO only compounds the CA/MAG problem. Most coco designer direct nutes have a higher cal/mag nute load to compensate. I have found that pot-o-gold works wonders with the canna nute/medium mix along with cal/mag plus at 5ml/gal also Sil @ 2ml/gal. (2cents).

 

[Sealion]

Thanks a lot for the help guys, good information. The Pot of Gold seems like a cool product.

 

[[norcal]]

Hey J-berry, Can we get an update on your opinion for a bloom booster. I know your not a big fan of Canna's boost. I was thinking of trying Gravity, Shooting powder, or I heard the guys at the shop talkin about bud blaster. From what I've read Gravity sounds like the bomb, Shooting powder is like P/K with some extras, and I havn't read too much about Bud Blaster.
Thanks

 

[jberry]

Coco just doesnt hold nutes very well and RO only compounds the CA/MAG problem. Most coco designer direct nutes have a higher cal/mag nute load to compensate. I have found that pot-o-gold works wonders with the canna nute/medium mix along with cal/mag plus at 5ml/gal also Sil @ 2ml/gal. (2cents).

wut up doc? hows the silica treating you? What brand do you use?

 

[jberry]

Hey J-berry, Can we get an update on your opinion for a bloom booster. I know your not a big fan of Canna's boost. I was thinking of trying Gravity, Shooting powder, or I heard the guys at the shop talkin about bud blaster. From what I've read Gravity sounds like the bomb, Shooting powder is like P/K with some extras, and I havn't read too much about Bud Blaster.
Thanks

Ive never used bud blaster and dont know a thing about it... Unless you are close personal friends with the owner, shops will always just push the products that they buy in bulk and/or they make the most profit off, so there advise is sometimes not so good... sometimes they are just simply misinformed and/or just repeating what the company reps told them...

I can say that Gravity works when used properly... I have had some good success with shooting powder as well but finding what else is in it besides P&K (if anything) and how and why it works its still up for debate in my book and im sure there is a cheaper alternative if the "trade secret" ingredients were exposed because the amount of P&K in each satchel is only about $0.05 cents worth of elements.

M.O.A.B is pretty good (food grade ingredients and much cheaper) but doesnt seem to work as well as shooting powder... I would like to avoid high PK powders if possible because it likely kills off a lot of beneficial bacteria and can be a pain to leach from the coco before reusing it.

If I could pick two products that really make a big difference... I would definitely pick Canna's PK 13/14 and Gravity... I have been using other flowering pruducts like H&G BudXL... it lasted a very long time, but I doubt I will continue unless H&G can tell me exactly HOW it works and WHAT type of ingredients could cause the effects they claim it has.

Proper amounts of Calcium, Silica, Fulvic Acids, Beneficial Bacteria/Fungi and a Sugar/Carb for them to munch on, L-Amino Acids during times of growth spurts, kelp extracts have many uses including hormones and micros, compost teas if you have the time, and making sure all your macros, micros, secondary, and trace elements are available in appropriate ratios are all things that can help, even many plant hormones can be useful if used correctly... just do your research and keep it simple when possible... a great compost tea may be able to provide you with several of the above... be careful and smart about mixing products and keep element ratios in mind.

 

[harmankardon1]

hey i was wondering if im running a soiless medium do i want the canna tera line or the canna vega and flores a&b?? gets confusing reading all this info thanks

 

[[norcal]]

Thanks for the info jberry, you pretty much confirmed what I was thinking of doing. I'm running the p/k right now with impressive results. I'm going to try the gravity this time, and I'll ask more about the bud blaster. At least I think thats what its called. I've heard other customers mention it and the warehouse guys were suggesting it to me. I'm pretty tight with them and I don't think commision or profit is their reason for suggesting it. They also run canna coco. Fyi I had a timer problem and had to use bushmaster to stop the vertical growth of my Blue Dream. It pretty much stopped the the vertical growth in its track and initiated a quick bud set. Nodes are real tight too. I don't know if I'd use it again in a regular run, but it's good to have in the arsenal. I'll probably try it on a few next run since I have some left over to get a side by side comparison.

 

[[norcal]]

Hey could recommend dosage for the gravity. I'm running p/k at 5 mls per gallon and a/b at 15 mls per gallon. I might take the p/k to 6 mls on the next feeding and then make the transition to the gravity. Thanks

Has canna suggested a mixing system to you at all. I try to put the part A in the rez and let it mix with a pump recirc through my wand for like 5 minutes, then put Part b in, etc. Takes a while though and sometimes I'm rushed and do it quicker. Just wondering if I'm causing problems if I rush.

 

[jberry]

Hey could recommend dosage for the gravity. I'm running p/k at 5 mls per gallon and a/b at 15 mls per gallon. I might take the p/k to 6 mls on the next feeding and then make the transition to the gravity. Thanks

Has canna suggested a mixing system to you at all. I try to put the part A in the rez and let it mix with a pump recirc through my wand for like 5 minutes, then put Part b in, etc. Takes a while though and sometimes I'm rushed and do it quicker. Just wondering if I'm causing problems if I rush.

For the Gravity, I start low at .5ml per gal about 3 weeks before harvest and work my dose up... my last run, I maxed out at about 1ml per gal or so... I know that some people use more but I would run it for a shorter time if using a large dose.

Canna says you can mix the entire line in any order... If using a calmag supplement then add that first... next i would add the Rhizotonic (if your using it) because of its high pH, then A+B, ect...

If your in a rush then make sure to stir the solution really well... the compounds from the A/B will mix back together much better if you let it sit for a hour or two or even overnight... the pH reading will also be more accurate and stable if you can let it sit.

but i have mixed and watered without ill effects fyi... its just good practice to let it sit for a couple hours.

 

[jberry]

hey i was wondering if im running a soiless medium do i want the canna tera line or the canna vega and flores a&b?? gets confusing reading all this info thanks

You want the Canna Terra line.... Vega for vegging and Flores for Bloom cycle.