The Musings of Serapis

Serapis

Serapis

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LOL Have you tried an e-cig though? I smoked for more than 30 years and I have to say, I enjoy the e-cig a hell of a lot more than those nast smelling cigarette butts with all of their carcinogens. :) I enjoy the hell out of smoking my blu ;)

jesus of Cannabis said:
nothing like the real thing ;-)
take my gun and my smokes when I am dead not a minute before
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Serapis

Serapis

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I was skeptical as hell when I ordered mine, but 30 day money back guarantee got me to try it. I wish they had these things 30 years ago... You still get a throat hit like actual smoke, and the flavor is awesome. Instant nicotine to the blood.

I miss the taste of a zippo though...
 
growmomma

growmomma

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I almost bought the e-cigs several months ago for me and my mother. How do you like them?? I was also just reading about being able to smoke herbal liquids in them so obviously I'm reconsidering.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Still no sign of roots on cuttings in EZC, 7 days now... PH 5.9 ppm 250 temp 74 This is really beginning to get old with me....
 
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TheLastWood

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serapis you should try air layering. Skin the cambrium and twisty tie a rapid rooter around the stem. This way it roots while still on the plant and won't die, when it has roots you cut it and plant it. Then you can grow a huge mother and take 12 inch clones like that.

I would give it at least 3 weeks in the cloner before failing I've had it take that long, but mine is white.
 
Dropastone

Dropastone

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Serapis said:
Still no sign of roots on cuttings in EZC, 7 days now... PH 5.9 ppm 250 temp 74 This is really beginning to get old with me....
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Don't get frustrated. I use a bubble cloner and generally have roots within 10 days. Although just recently I'm cloning a new strain and it took like 30 days to root. I believe all rooting times are strain dependent and there is no specific timeline for rooting to take place.

I noticed you said in an earlier post you can see bumps on the stem but no roots. That is exactly what I was experiencing. I would recommend that if the clones aren't dying off just stick with it and they will root. Look at the big ole knobs on this 30 day clone. It took 30 days to root and that pic is at day 40.

Peace and happy growing.
 

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Serapis

Serapis

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Thanks for the tips and encouragement. Some of the clones are yellowing off and a few now have what looks like some bacteria or something going on with the stems, above the inserts, the stems are a fluorescent like green, very bright, under the inserts, some have turned dark brown and have shrunken, it looks like they are decaying as opposed to rooting.... I'm going to leave the damn thing running, but after shelling out 250 I'm extremely upset that I'm not seeing results. I've followed instructions, precautions, etc, still I get shit on in the cloning world...

Last resort is, I have a lb of Hormodone #2 rooting powder coming. When it gets here, I may pull the cuttings, trash them, bleach cycle the damn EZC and pump and try again... I'm beginning to wonder if I ned to invest in a damn water chiller.... I fucking hate my weather here... today was in fucking 90's alrady and Easter isn't even here yet... my bedroom window AC is non stop and the tent is at 83 degrees! Summer isn't even here yet. :(
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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im sure you know you can freeze a 9oz bottle of water and throw it in the res, but 5.5 ph is ideal for cloning in cloners. I know it sounds like im redundant but im just trying to help!
 
tendran

tendran

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Give it time buddy, and after your bleach cycle.. dismiss the instructions that came with the cloner and use plain water. I use tap that comes out around 130 ppm straight from the sink. The bucket has APPROXIMATELY 4 gallons of water in it, and I add a tiny bit less than a cap full of 3% Hydrogen Peroxide from Wal-Mart.. Nothing else I read either online or via the cloning instructions with the bucket worked. It's slow, but it's cheap and I've had my best success rates yet.

I have gotten a slight mildew buildup on some of the clones, I think my bucket lid and inserts need a real good soak and rinse. If I get to it quick I can kinda scrape it off with my finger nail, but I have my new Blue Mystic clone to replace my last mother with a little on it, and I'm hoping it'll just start new growth soon and I can trim those leaves off. You say it's on your stems though which is a bit more precarious I suppose.

Also one other idea, as far as the water chiller goes, test out the cloning in a cooler environment if you can before you make the investment just to make sure it will in fact make a difference in your cloning experience. Either move it into another cooler room's closet under a small cfl or do the ol' frozen water bottle method. Water chillers aren't cheap. I want one myself but I can't justify the cost just now, and I am afraid of overloading my breaker with that, the flower cab and the veg cab on the same circuit. I already have a 6" icebox heat exchanger though once I get it. :)

Off topic, I wonder how difficult it'd be to rewire one of the 2 outlets in my room to it's own separate breaker..

I want to see you succeed in the cloning arena man, almost as much as I want to succeed myself. I definitely feel your pain!
 
Ganjasism

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Dropastone said:
Don't get frustrated. I use a bubble cloner and generally have roots within 10 days. Although just recently I'm cloning a new strain and it took like 30 days to root. I believe all rooting times are strain dependent and there is no specific timeline for rooting to take place.

I noticed you said in an earlier post you can see bumps on the stem but no roots. That is exactly what I was experiencing. I would recommend that if the clones aren't dying off just stick with it and they will root. Look at the big ole knobs on this 30 day clone. It took 30 days to root and that pic is at day 40.

Peace and happy growing.
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Damn, 40 days! You could be rockin' in 40 days from seed though. I'm very interested in cloning but I know NOTHING at all about it. I hope you get this worked out bro.
 
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incognegro999

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tendran said:
Give it time buddy, and after your bleach cycle.. dismiss the instructions that came with the cloner and use plain water. I use tap that comes out around 130 ppm straight from the sink. The bucket has APPROXIMATELY 4 gallons of water in it, and I add a tiny bit less than a cap full of 3% Hydrogen Peroxide from Wal-Mart.. Nothing else I read either online or via the cloning instructions with the bucket worked. It's slow, but it's cheap and I've had my best success rates yet.

I have gotten a slight mildew buildup on some of the clones, I think my bucket lid and inserts need a real good soak and rinse. If I get to it quick I can kinda scrape it off with my finger nail, but I have my new Blue Mystic clone to replace my last mother with a little on it, and I'm hoping it'll just start new growth soon and I can trim those leaves off. You say it's on your stems though which is a bit more precarious I suppose.

Also one other idea, as far as the water chiller goes, test out the cloning in a cooler environment if you can before you make the investment just to make sure it will in fact make a difference in your cloning experience. Either move it into another cooler room's closet under a small cfl or do the ol' frozen water bottle method. Water chillers aren't cheap. I want one myself but I can't justify the cost just now, and I am afraid of overloading my breaker with that, the flower cab and the veg cab on the same circuit. I already have a 6" icebox heat exchanger though once I get it. :)

Off topic, I wonder how difficult it'd be to rewire one of the 2 outlets in my room to it's own separate breaker..

I want to see you succeed in the cloning arena man, almost as much as I want to succeed myself. I definitely feel your pain!
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basicly this right here http://www.ehow.com/how_2237975_add-new-circuit-electrical-panel.html

the easiest thing is if you already have an empty breaker. I am a generator mechanic by profession. read this and a few other guides carefully if you try it yourself. its not voltage you have to worry about, its the 1/4 amp can be enough to stop a human heart lol. go slow triple check everything and you should be good. PM me if you really wanna diy
 
Dropastone

Dropastone

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Ganjasism said:
Damn, 40 days! You could be rockin' in 40 days from seed though. I'm very interested in cloning but I know NOTHING at all about it. I hope you get this worked out bro.
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It's all good dude and it's already been worked out. Like I said with any other strain I've cloned it's always been within ten days to see roots. It was just this particular strain that I had problems with. I felt serapis was going thru the same problems that I had encountered and I was just trying to spread some motivation along with a little patience so he wouldn't want to give up.

Peace.
 
redrum83420

redrum83420

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hey Serapis. can i use a toaster oven to decarb my popcorn buds and trimming, or is better to use the reg oven? i dont have a huge a mount of pop corn buds or trim, and figured it would be easier to use the toaster oven. and thank you for the idea of using 151 i bought a small bottle today for tinctures :)
 
Serapis

Serapis

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You've got a 30 day money back guarantee, so give it a good work out. Once you replace your nicotine source, you may never light up again. :)

I'll do a tutorial on this thread about refilling the cartridges when my supplies come in. Smoking has never been cheaper. I really do think these will replace the way we use tobacco today. If RJR and Phillip Morris were smart, they'd be looking into nicotine extractions and flavorings. :)

choempi said:
Thanks bro, I am a 30 year smoker also, and where I live it is average $8 a pack.

Ordered!
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Serapis

Serapis

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The cloner is going through a bleach cycle. After inspecting the stems of the cuttings carefully today, they were definitely rotting away... I've emptied the unit and reassembled it in my shower. I placed 6 gallons of water in it and one cup of bleach. After about one hour of spraying the bleach solution, I'll disassemble the sprayer manifold and sprayers and let them and the inserts soak in the solution for another hour. At that point, I'll reassemble everything and run clean water through it. I remembered to take of my good clothes before playing with bleach.... no splatters yet. :)

I'm disappointed that my first run didn't take. I'm not sure what went wrong, but I'm going to be taking some extra precautions on the next cycle. I intend to dip my razor in a weak bleach water solution between cuttings. I will not be dipping cuttings in rooting hormone. Every cutting I threw away had root bumps inside the neoprene collars and not where I had dipped them. I will be using a rooting hormone powder. I'll use 50% of my 366 ppm tap with 50% RO. Instead of using EZC Clear REZ, I intend to use 7 drops of an aquarium algae and anti-bacterial that is safe for plants and fish.

I maintained the right PH and temp at 75. The ppm was 0 when I started, but I later added SuperThrive and 200ppm of Maxi Grow. I've seen successful cloners claim that not using nutes is best... but why then do my clones yellow so bad before dying?
 
NorthernLights#5

NorthernLights#5

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well I couldnt say for sure on that one. but on a side note got my 30 site ezcloner and it gets put to work tomorrow, currently running in room to see what temp gets up to. ( i did take cuts two days ago that went into root riot's so Ill be able to see what works/works faster/and easier. for me atleast
 
tendran

tendran

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That's a lot higher concentration than my H202! I haven't had rotting issues since I started using it. I think I noted it already but just in case, it was 3% solution. I'm sure you could turn up some better answers than I can provide on the subject with a quick search on Google, I've found good and bad info on the it in the past, but I gave it a shot and at this point I'm sticking with what works after having so much rooting difficulty. A quick note, if you use any organic nutrients the H202 will kill whatever beneficial bacteria or organisms might be in it as well as the stuff you don't want.

What kind of light was your cloner under and how far away was it? I had poor success under LED when I was vegging my cab still, but I have it off to the side, not even directly under, CFL's, most plants would just wilt with so little light probably, but for some reason it seems to help rooting to have incredibly low light levels.
 
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