The Midnight Farm Grow Journal: Welcome to the Harem

2com

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MidnightSun72

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What did the VPD reach? What was the temp and rh? VPD can greatly affect what EC is required.
If that yellowing is near the top of the plant only, or equal across the entire plant (and every other plant of the same strain, at least), I'd say it's probably not nitrogen.
VPD was hitting 2.0 or more. Temps were 86-90 for a while and RH was low as 40. Then worked temp down to 82 to 86ish then down to 80-82. This morning I switched them to be 78-80. A lot easier to keep VPD happy at 80*F vs 90*F.

Will likely drop the temps another 2-3 degrees in 2 weeks.

so I think you are right it's not nitrogen anyway. Hard to tell really cuz they aren't really blasting out a bunch of new leafs for me to judge by.

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2com

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Thanks man. The size of the cuttings you can do like that are crazy. Lol. You can use a cottage cheese container for a bigger root ball.
Someone asked recently about this. I mentioned that there was a video or two on yt where a guy had a mother plant with 3 or 4 varieties all "graphted" to it, for plant count reasons mainly, aside from it being cool.
Multi-flavored mother plant.
 

MidnightSun72

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Veg room is getting a bit wild. So will be selecting two more moms to be tribute to the sun gods. Kush cake is gonna become a proper mom soon (which I signify to myself by putting in 5 gal cloth pot. All my moms get that seems to keep them happiest they longest.
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2com

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MidnightSun72

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$620 for the both b1 and b2? Both of which are needed in different ratios for flower phase only. Is that right?
B1 and B2 flower only. But I am pretty sure they are only needed in a 1:1 ratio. 1-3g/gallon depending on your ppm goal. A table spoon is about 15g

I mix them 1:1. Maybe that's why plants are so shit haha.
 

MidnightSun72

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Veg room got a major haircut. Moved two moms outside. 1C1630A4-A08D-40E2-BF20-451CAE300DEC.jpeg

then I moved in the rooted clones forLa Kush cake, amnesia (haven't ran yet), got the thug pug and more Kush cake cloning now.
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bk78

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How’s the bloom room coming? Should be getting nice and chunky with a couple weeks to go?
 

MidnightSun72

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How’s the bloom room coming? Should be getting nice and chunky with a couple weeks to go?
Little bit rough with the foliage yellowing. But they are chunking up and seem to be frosting up ok so far. Maybe not the best run of I've had with the pink Kush though.
I will say i am happy with the canopy depth chunking up far lower than I imagined.

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Zookies crosses
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Sand storm will be readysoon 1 week
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AJ #2 and Sensi star to the right

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2com

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Little bit rough with the foliage yellowing. But they are chunking up and seem to be frosting up ok so far. Maybe not the best run of I've had with the pink Kush though.
I will say i am happy with the canopy depth chunking up far lower than I imagined.

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Zookies crosses
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Sand storm will be readysoon 1 week
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AJ #2 and Sensi star to the right

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The fading looks real nice.
 

bk78

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Little bit rough with the foliage yellowing. But they are chunking up and seem to be frosting up ok so far. Maybe not the best run of I've had with the pink Kush though.
I will say i am happy with the canopy depth chunking up far lower than I imagined.

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Zookies crosses
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Sand storm will be readysoon 1 week
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AJ #2 and Sensi star to the right

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sweet. Any ideas as to why they got locked out so bad?

You taking them a few more weeks still?
 

MidnightSun72

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sweet. Any ideas as to why they got locked out so bad?

You taking them a few more weeks still?
I have a few theories honestly I've made my share of mistakes on this grow. This is what I think they are:

Nutrients:
Going into the grow I didn't have the girls on good food just some promix organic based stuff I had kicking around as I finished off my other nutes. You remember the light stress of first being in the room I felt was partially due to poor nutrition/soil root conditions. I saw an old post from Renfro saying if the soil Ph is fucked the girls can't eat right once they're re in strong light.

second fuck up with nutrients is that I first started at half strength things were good, then I started to get more confident and got up to the strength floraflex was recommending to feed. I know better I should have been feeding, checking run off to make sure they eat it especially when starting with the new food and having those problems at the start in veg.

I kept feeding @1400 for a good while and the ppm in the run off was 1000-3000Kppm on some pots. So I flushed everything down to 600-800ppm and just kept watering at 800 and then water next watering alternating for the rest.


Growing media : I normally use promix HP. But I was originally gonna try organic growing with amendments. I bought like 10 bails this promix BX with extra bacteria. I did a few runs tried organic growing and didn't like it. But had all this soil which I used. I found when I would drench it would hold the water forever. But if I water somewhat light runoff the pots would dry as fuck by the next day. I feel like my girls were suffering some weird over watered under watered stress. Then when I started flushing ( when I found the PPM to be high)I felt like they were getting overwatered cuz the pots were staying sooooaked

VPD
For a good while I was running the two Dehus during lights on. I found the lights and AC alone would maintain humidity too low. The girls gave off a lot more humidty during the stretch then now. So the VPD was pretty drastic and I got what I believe to be calcium related lock out. . The dehus were reading different ambient room humidty so they were working when they shouldn't be. I removed one dehumidifer. And the other is on a timer to only come on at dark. But right now I should be adding a humidifier to keep my humidty up. Currently it's 45-55 which I've done with no problems before. But I believe it could have contributed a factor running at 2.0VPd with high intensity and shitty PH and over feeding stress. As a combo could have been too much.

so for next cycle I have a bunch of changes to make. I will be hanging the dehumidifer up above and use the two 12" inline fans to force air down into the grow for better humidity and temperature mixing. I will consider adding some humidifiers though I think I can find a better balance with plant count and using AC for day and dehu on night sched. For nutrient next cycle will check my run off the first few weeks no question LOL. I will run 1 mom per tray for 4 trays. This will be 1 plant to water. I got 4 plants big enough to do this. So timing sill be good. Then I hope to trial a drip irrigation system on two of the trays and hopefully will use a hydroponic medium something like coco and perlite or perlite and vermiculite. Currently getting much help from some helpful forum members (@2com ) on setting up a top drip system.

the sandstorm should be ready @ end of week 8. Already showing some amber trichs. Everything else I will take as it comes ready. Sensi star and skittles usually need 9 weeks. Most should take 9. But the Pk usually takes 10 sometimes. I dropped the night temps down to 73. And will keep getting colder from here out to help them finish.

so yes I'll leave them a couple weeks still.
Cleaned up some of the clones for next round. Think I'll just run LA Kush Cake and Amnesia for the little babies.
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picked up some seeds cuz they were cheap and been after the pineapple chunk even though my buddy told me BF is no good anymore. Lol. I saw lots of great pineapple chunk grows. And the DP seeds were cheap AF and I like fruity strains sooo yaaa. Pineapple chunk and Critical Orange Punch. They gave me a free auto seed.Such luck haha.
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bk78

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I have a few theories honestly I've made my share of mistakes on this grow. This is what I think they are:

Nutrients:
Going into the grow I didn't have the girls on good food just some promix organic based stuff I had kicking around as I finished off my other nutes. You remember the light stress of first being in the room I felt was partially due to poor nutrition/soil root conditions. I saw an old post from Renfro saying if the soil Ph is fucked the girls can't eat right once they're re in strong light.

second fuck up with nutrients is that I first started at half strength things were good, then I started to get more confident and got up to the strength floraflex was recommending to feed. I know better I should have been feeding, checking run off to make sure they eat it especially when starting with the new food and having those problems at the start in veg.

I kept feeding @1400 for a good while and the ppm in the run off was 1000-3000Kppm on some pots. So I flushed everything down to 600-800ppm and just kept watering at 800 and then water next watering alternating for the rest.


Growing media : I normally use promix HP. But I was originally gonna try organic growing with amendments. I bought like 10 bails this promix BX with extra bacteria. I did a few runs tried organic growing and didn't like it. But had all this soil which I used. I found when I would drench it would hold the water forever. But if I water somewhat light runoff the pots would dry as fuck by the next day. I feel like my girls were suffering some weird over watered under watered stress. Then when I started flushing ( when I found the PPM to be high)I felt like they were getting overwatered cuz the pots were staying sooooaked

VPD
For a good while I was running the two Dehus during lights on. I found the lights and AC alone would maintain humidity too low. The girls gave off a lot more humidty during the stretch then now. So the VPD was pretty drastic and I got what I believe to be calcium related lock out. . The dehus were reading different ambient room humidty so they were working when they shouldn't be. I removed one dehumidifer. And the other is on a timer to only come on at dark. But right now I should be adding a humidifier to keep my humidty up. Currently it's 45-55 which I've done with no problems before. But I believe it could have contributed a factor running at 2.0VPd with high intensity and shitty PH and over feeding stress. As a combo could have been too much.

so for next cycle I have a bunch of changes to make. I will be hanging the dehumidifer up above and use the two 12" inline fans to force air down into the grow for better humidity and temperature mixing. I will consider adding some humidifiers though I think I can find a better balance with plant count and using AC for day and dehu on night sched. For nutrient next cycle will check my run off the first few weeks no question LOL. I will run 1 mom per tray for 4 trays. This will be 1 plant to water. I got 4 plants big enough to do this. So timing sill be good. Then I hope to trial a drip irrigation system on two of the trays and hopefully will use a hydroponic medium something like coco and perlite or perlite and vermiculite. Currently getting much help from some helpful forum members (@2com ) on setting up a top drip system.

the sandstorm should be ready @ end of week 8. Already showing some amber trichs. Everything else I will take as it comes ready. Sensi star and skittles usually need 9 weeks. Most should take 9. But the Pk usually takes 10 sometimes. I dropped the night temps down to 73. And will keep getting colder from here out to help them finish.

so yes I'll leave them a couple weeks still.
Cleaned up some of the clones for next round. Think I'll just run LA Kush Cake and Amnesia for the little babies.
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picked up some seeds cuz they were cheap and been after the pineapple chunk even though my buddy told me BF is no good anymore. Lol. I saw lots of great pineapple chunk grows. And the DP seeds were cheap AF and I like fruity strains sooo yaaa. Pineapple chunk and Critical Orange Punch. They gave me a free auto seed.Such luck haha.
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Been there, done that switching nutes half way through.

Switched to megacrop, from remo 2 weeks prior to flower and it locked out my whole room and set me back a month until they were healthy enough to put into flower. I’ll never touch megacrop again because of it unfortunately, even though I read great things about it daily.

I’m super happy with floraflex now and can’t see myself using anything else anytime soon.
 

MidnightSun72

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Been there, done that switching nutes half way through.

Switched to megacrop, from remo 2 weeks prior to flower and it locked out my whole room and set me back a month until they were healthy enough to put into flower. I’ll never touch megacrop again because of it unfortunately, even though I read great things about it daily.

I’m super happy with floraflex now and can’t see myself using anything else anytime soon.
I liked floraflex too at the start LOL. Lol Jk they dissolve super fast which I love. My buddy uses it as well with a much larger grow and he's very successful with it. He uses the full tilt and sometimes the foliage stuff as well which they sent him for free!!
I heard good stuff about the MC cuz it's 1 part right??? Anyway.
I won't be switching either since by the looks of it I could do 10 crops on the two tubs. I over estimated my usage considerably. I also like that they come with the PGRs inside. So I don't have to spray them later.
 

bk78

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I liked floraflex too at the start LOL. Lol Jk they dissolve super fast which I love. My buddy uses it as well with a much larger grow and he's very successful with it. He uses the full tilt and sometimes the foliage stuff as well which they sent him for free!!
I heard good stuff about the MC cuz it's 1 part right??? Anyway.
I won't be switching either since by the looks of it I could do 10 crops on the two tubs. I over estimated my usage considerably. I also like that they come with the PGRs inside. So I don't have to spray them later.
Yeah I hate having to spray my PGR’s on later.
 

MidnightSun72

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Took a bunch of big ass cutting did the Thug pugs and the LA Kush cake because I am considering running a bunch. The cuttings around 12" some more some less but wanted them big in case they had to go to work soon AD52920E-3BFE-41E7-AABE-DBED62D54939.jpeg

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