The Long March to 11/24
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DIY-HP-LED
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Early, but some of the primary polls are interesting and shows why a conviction before the election is important.
DIY-HP-LED
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The fox woman should have got a job in the cast of Andor, she is a natural for the Starwars TV face of an evil empire, she wouldn't even need to act!
DIY-HP-LED
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Now that is a surprise! 
I wonder why...
Donald must have a lock on white males from this and other polling.
I wonder why...Donald must have a lock on white males from this and other polling.
DIY-HP-LED
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Sativied
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More so even than in 2016 and 2020. The difference is, if Trump would win this time, he won't be the laughing stock of the world, he won't have to buddy up with the well-known dictators to find a friend, he'll find those in Europe. They’ll empower each other. Unless you believe people can turn off a neonazi/fascist-switch, far-right has in europe far more power than you might expect, and it’s not looking up.
What are you trying to establish with that side quest, what’s the point of comparing cancer cells to cancer? Are extremist groups a larger threat to the US than formerly seemingly decent europeans, well-educated, in all layers of society, of all ages, of different ethnic backgrounds, voting actual fascists and neonazis into parliaments? How could I possibly quantify and compare that. Do Proud Boys and Oath Keepers potentially have the power to break up the union? Are they, aside from more openly armed (a gun problem), that much worse than their abundant equivalents in Europe? Was there any chance in hell storming the capital would overthrow election results and make US go fascist? Are they your current and future politicians? Are they a potentially winning political party discussing plans to deport 70million Americans? I don’t get the point, it all sucks. It seems the whole comparison was brought up only because you suggested it in the US would take a bigger leap for youth to move further right. Which isn’t the case, so why pursue this further?
Extremist groups don’t storm capitols and win control of our nations. Fascist get elected. The pen is far more mighty than the AR-15. I remain unimpressed by sheople trying so hard to look the part. Trump, proud boys, they, despite the real world consequence, are caricatures and symptoms.
See https://rollitup.org/t/right-wing-nuts-worldwide.1037307/post-17498245 and scroll down to Italy video…
*I* was talking about the possibility that in the US elections too it's no longer going to be the case that you can automatically count on kids doing the right thing: vote left. Kids these days, don't get their political ideas primarily from their parents. Parents are old, they fucked up the planet and let all these immigrants in. They created a situation where now kids don't have it automatically better than their parents or grandparents even. Kids get their politics from TikTok. They gained their voting rights in a time when far-right is already normalized. A time where the overton window has been expanded so often it’s extremely flexible. Social liberals for smaller gov today, deport brown people and war refugees tomorrow.
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about Trump, Biden, and polling....
DIY-HP-LED
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Last time that happened, it ultimately cost US half a million casualties in Europe.
DIY-HP-LED
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Trump killed as many with covid, these assholes are dangerous wherever they are and with a few exceptions they come from the right. Right or left, they are all cut from the same cloth.
Fogdog
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Regarding my question about the magnitude of the problem posed by the youth fascist movement in Europe compared to the US, I was looking for help calibrating your concerns to mine. Because you either couldn't or didn't want to answer my question directly then I'll just say that I don't think the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or the militia movement in the US is so large that it poses a threat on its own. They became Trump's paramilitary enforcers due to the protection President Trump afforded them. Their numbers aren't large, perhaps less than a few thousand who might be willing to commit violence in the name of Trump, but that's about it. I've read that the Capitol Building was invaded by about 800 people so that's the scale of the threat. Without Trump, they are nothing. I can't speak for what is going on in Europe. Maybe it's worse there. I can't say.
Regarding Trump, he's fighting for survival and his fight is every bit as incompetent as the effort he made to protect the people of the US during the Covid epidemic. He's either going to be disqualified or IMO, he'll be beaten by Biden at the polls. He's not waging an effective campaign. It feels right now that the election is going to to be uncomfortably too close for my liking but I think the election is Biden and the Democratic Party's to lose, I've given you my reasons and you don't believe them. I'm OK with that. I hope you are too.
Trump is no Putin or Xi. The guy is a lazy butt, he's ignorant and completely out of control of the situation that he's in. He's no evil genius capable of doing what you describe. For example, what wannabe megalomaniac who plans to conquer the world spends as much more time golfing or watching TV as he did as president? He's a menacing SOB and knows how to abuse the court system but without the protection afforded by a mountain of cash that he spends like a drunken sailor on lawyer whores, he's nothing. Access to a lot of that cash is about to be taken away from him. His biggest moment was the failed self coup that he attempted on Jan 6. John Bolton, I'm not an admirer of him BTW, said with a sneer about the Jan 6 coup attempt, "I've seen a lot of coups and that wasn't one". He was an incompetent president and we voted him out of office because of that. He followed up with an inept attempt at a coup. He left behind a trove of evidence and is facing a court battle that he will lose unless he manages to win the upcoming election. He fought his way back to having a puncher's chance and not a good one at that. That is his record and why I don't think he will mount an effective campaign in 2024 if he's allowed to by the courts.
I'm not engaging in speculation in what I'm telling you. I'm citing the record and the facts behind my conclusions as I see them. Is there risk in our situation? Yes. Is the risk large? No. I don't think it is. I think there is a tiny chance that Trump could win and if he does, well, then we go back to stopping him by other means. Yes, I do think we can stop him.
I was there, in the streets of Portland Oregon when the first confrontations were encountered between Patriot's Prayer, the Proud Boys and I was in the crowd of counter-protesters. I saw first hand what they looked like and how they acted when we stood in their way. They are pretty scary. In my opinion, those days were the worst of it. It was scary. Trump was at full strength and the public hadn't yet caught on But now we see him. During the BLM protests, hundreds of thousands of people were out on the streets pretesting. Fast forward to today, the wheels of justice are acting against him. The military's loyalty to the Constitution has been tested and found to be reliable. And especially, he isn't the President. This isn't nearly as bad as it was in 2018 or especially summer of 2020.
So, you see, I simply don't see the threat to be as large as you do. I've given my reasons and spoken my piece. There is a threat, but I think we are managing it well. You've pointed out contradictions in what I've said. I don't disagree that some of my observations contradict. It is a sign that I don't have all the data. I mean, duh, that's the human condition.
But I see that your set of conclusions seem to hang on a lot of speculation too. I respect what you've said, I'm listening. Don't require me to agree. Let's keep the dialogue up and maybe eventually we will agree.
Fogdog
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Yep, I hope they need to get their act together and stop it from happening again. We are having a bitch of a time sopping it here.
Sativied/Fogdog,what a well written intellectual back/forth you guys present,could easily pass for NY Times/Wash. Post Op-Ed, passionate viewpoints from Holland to Oregon via the magic of the internet,I'd say your both highly intelligent,open/fair minded men and the difference lies in optimism/pessimism concerning the THREAT and are prob both right because the geography is different,Europe is fragmented and is vulnerable to a "domino effect" w/fascism (it's happened before) when entrenched in 1-2 countries,the US is continuous and by nature prob more difficult to establish when taking into account size and ethnic diversity.
cannabineer
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Concur. A quality read, and a chair-yoga workout for my own opinions.
DIY-HP-LED
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Steve Schmidt Reacts To Joe Biden Calling Trump 'A Sick F**K' In Private | The Warning
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Former RNC chair urges lawmakers in both parties to ‘take the win’ on tentative border deal
Michael Steele, the former chair of the Republican National Committee, urged lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to “take the win” in the tentative border deal as negotiations continue and uncertainty remains on whether the bipartisan bill will pass.
“Take the win. Take the win. This is a moment that, you know, when you stop and think about it is very clarifying. Democrats and Republicans have negotiated a conservative border bill,” Steele said in an interview on MSNBC on Friday.
The Biden-backed deal faces resistance among House Republicans, with Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) having said the bill would be “dead on arrival” in the House.
“It does a lot of the things that these Republicans in the House, in particular, have been yammering about for years, and quite frankly, did nothing about when Trump was president,” Steele said.
Steele criticized former President Trump’s attempt to get Republicans in both chambers to reject the deal and deny President Biden a legislative win ahead of the 2024 election.
While the text of the border deal being drafted in the Senate has not been released, Steele questioned how Republicans can criticize the bill that they have not yet seen. He predicted the deal will contain “pretty much everything you [have] been yammering about.”
The former party chair shrugged off the argument that House Republicans will hurt themselves in elections if they don’t take the deal, saying they have “already lost the House” and they should just “take the deal.”
He continued, predicting that when it comes down to it, the House GOP will take the deal “because there is no other end game here.”
“Because guess what, if you don’t take the deal, guess who gets the blame for the border problems that happen between now and November?” he said. “Whatever happens, it’s on Republicans at this point.”
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Michael Steele, the former chair of the Republican National Committee, urged lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to “take the win” in the tentative border deal as negotiations continue and uncertainty remains on whether the bipartisan bill will pass.
“Take the win. Take the win. This is a moment that, you know, when you stop and think about it is very clarifying. Democrats and Republicans have negotiated a conservative border bill,” Steele said in an interview on MSNBC on Friday.
The Biden-backed deal faces resistance among House Republicans, with Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) having said the bill would be “dead on arrival” in the House.
“It does a lot of the things that these Republicans in the House, in particular, have been yammering about for years, and quite frankly, did nothing about when Trump was president,” Steele said.
Steele criticized former President Trump’s attempt to get Republicans in both chambers to reject the deal and deny President Biden a legislative win ahead of the 2024 election.
While the text of the border deal being drafted in the Senate has not been released, Steele questioned how Republicans can criticize the bill that they have not yet seen. He predicted the deal will contain “pretty much everything you [have] been yammering about.”
The former party chair shrugged off the argument that House Republicans will hurt themselves in elections if they don’t take the deal, saying they have “already lost the House” and they should just “take the deal.”
He continued, predicting that when it comes down to it, the House GOP will take the deal “because there is no other end game here.”
“Because guess what, if you don’t take the deal, guess who gets the blame for the border problems that happen between now and November?” he said. “Whatever happens, it’s on Republicans at this point.”
Former RNC chair urges lawmakers in both parties to ‘take the win’ on tentative border deal
Michael Steele, the former chair of the Republican National Committee, urged lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to “take the win” in the tentative border deal as negotiations continue and uncerta…
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Wisconsin Supreme Court rules state must allow Dean Phillips on primary ballot
The Wisconsin Supreme Court on Friday ordered election officials to include presidential hopeful Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) on the state’s Democratic primary ballot.
The unanimous ruling claimed Democrats on the bipartisan presidential selection committee should have held a discussion about including Phillips. The court’s decision means the long-shot candidate will appear on the April 2 primary ballot against President Biden, The Associated Press reported.
Phillips, who launched his bid against Biden in October, has vowed to file challenges in several states that left him off the ballot.
In December, Phillips said he would challenge the Democratic National Committee and several states — including Florida, North Carolina and Tennessee — for leaving him, and other Democratic candidates, off the ballots.
He filed a lawsuit on Jan. 26 with the Wisconsin Elections Commission, demanding they add his name after he was excluded following a Jan. 2 meeting, the AP reported.
Phillips argued that he met the criteria in the state for ballot access, which states that a candidate must be “generally advocated or recognized in the national news media.”
The Friday ruling accused the committee of failing to properly exercise any discretion under state law with respect to the Minnesota lawmaker, per the AP.
Phillips, author Marianne Williamson and “The Young Turks” host Cenk Uygur, have all pushed back against states’ refusing to include them on the primary ballots.
Despite Biden not being on the ballot in New Hampshire, he earned nearly 64 percent support among voters in the first contest of the election. Phillips received 19.6 percent support in the state, according to election results from Decision Desk HQ.
Although he once said he would step away from the race by March 5 if he didn’t gain traction, Phillips now said he will stay in the race “as long as it takes” to have a match-up with former President Trump.
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court on Friday ordered election officials to include presidential hopeful Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) on the state’s Democratic primary ballot.
The unanimous ruling claimed Democrats on the bipartisan presidential selection committee should have held a discussion about including Phillips. The court’s decision means the long-shot candidate will appear on the April 2 primary ballot against President Biden, The Associated Press reported.
Phillips, who launched his bid against Biden in October, has vowed to file challenges in several states that left him off the ballot.
In December, Phillips said he would challenge the Democratic National Committee and several states — including Florida, North Carolina and Tennessee — for leaving him, and other Democratic candidates, off the ballots.
He filed a lawsuit on Jan. 26 with the Wisconsin Elections Commission, demanding they add his name after he was excluded following a Jan. 2 meeting, the AP reported.
Phillips argued that he met the criteria in the state for ballot access, which states that a candidate must be “generally advocated or recognized in the national news media.”
The Friday ruling accused the committee of failing to properly exercise any discretion under state law with respect to the Minnesota lawmaker, per the AP.
Phillips, author Marianne Williamson and “The Young Turks” host Cenk Uygur, have all pushed back against states’ refusing to include them on the primary ballots.
Despite Biden not being on the ballot in New Hampshire, he earned nearly 64 percent support among voters in the first contest of the election. Phillips received 19.6 percent support in the state, according to election results from Decision Desk HQ.
Although he once said he would step away from the race by March 5 if he didn’t gain traction, Phillips now said he will stay in the race “as long as it takes” to have a match-up with former President Trump.
Wisconsin Supreme Court rules Dean Phillips must be allowed on state’s primary ballot
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ordered election officials to include presidential hopeful Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) on the state’s Democratic primary ballot Friday. The unanimous ruling claim…
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DIY-HP-LED
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Elon might save them along with a few other fascist billionaires.
For sale, a bunch of lunatics and assholes, dirty deeds done dirt cheap.
Joe's policies have got those big donors wondering about the republicans and the economy, their perception of the economy is probably better than the average republican's and they like what they see.
Let's talk about GOP and Trump fundraising woes....
For sale, a bunch of lunatics and assholes, dirty deeds done dirt cheap.
Joe's policies have got those big donors wondering about the republicans and the economy, their perception of the economy is probably better than the average republican's and they like what they see.
Let's talk about GOP and Trump fundraising woes....
DIY-HP-LED
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Steve Schmidt Explains How The MAGA Movement Puts Women In Danger | The Warning
Joe Biden is leading Donald Trump in the latest Quinnipiac poll. Steve warns women in America about the choice they have to make.
DIY-HP-LED
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It's the economy and people's personal economy that can persuade those who can be, it is not just Wall Street it is also main street that is doing well too. Joe is middle of the road in many ways but socially liberal and pro-labor. A neo-new dealer I figure who thinks wealth imbalance is an issue for the American economy and society.
'The Biden economy is strong and they need to lead with this' - Former GOP Comms Director
Tara Setmayer, Former Communication Director for the GOP and Rick Wilson, Co-founder of The Lincoln Project, join Katie Phang to discuss the latest on the Republican race for the White House.
'The Biden economy is strong and they need to lead with this' - Former GOP Comms Director
Tara Setmayer, Former Communication Director for the GOP and Rick Wilson, Co-founder of The Lincoln Project, join Katie Phang to discuss the latest on the Republican race for the White House.
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