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topcat

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This article came across to me like blaming Ukraine and NATO for the Russian invasion, but it does illuminate a frame of mind within Trumpism (and other forms of populism). It also agrees with my theory that the fundamental underlying condition of current Republican/conservative panic is tied to rapid social change.

David Brooks: What if the anti-Trumpers are the real bad guys? (msn.com)

Donald Trump seems to get indicted on a weekly basis. Yet he is utterly dominating his Republican rivals in the polls, and he is tied with Joe Biden in the general election surveys. Trump’s poll numbers are stronger against Biden now than at any time in 2020.
What’s going on here? Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done?
We anti-Trumpers often tell a story to explain that. As University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington said recently: “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an LGBT person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”
In this story we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments, and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story; but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
Another story
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam, but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston, but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that “we’re all in this together” was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here, and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”
Ethos of exclusion
The meritocracy isn’t only a system of exclusion; it’s an ethos. During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies must be stupid.
Over the last decades we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out. When I began my journalism career in Chicago in the 1980s, there were still some old crusty working-class guys around the newsroom. Now we’re not only a college-dominated profession, we’re an elite-college-dominated profession.
Only 0.8% of all college students graduate from the super elite 12 schools (the Ivy League colleges, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke and the University of Chicago). A 2018 study found that more than 50% of the staff writers at the beloved New York Times and The Wall Street Journal attended one of the 29 most elite universities in the nation.
Writing in Compact magazine, Michael Lind observes that the upper-middle-class job market looks like a candelabrum: “Those who manage to squeeze through the stem of a few prestigious colleges and universities in their youth can then branch out to fill leadership positions in almost every vocation.”
Or, as Markovits puts it, “Elite graduates monopolize the best jobs and at the same time invent new technologies that privilege superskilled workers, making the best jobs better and all other jobs worse.”
Members of our class also segregate ourselves into a few booming metro areas: San Francisco, D.C., Austin, Texas, and so on. In 2020, Biden won only 500 or so counties, but together they are responsible for 71% of the American economy. Trump won over 2,500 counties, responsible for only 29%. Once we find our cliques, we don’t get out much. In the book “Social Class in the 21st Century,” sociologist Mike Savage and his co-researchers found that the members of the highly educated class tend to be the most insular, measured by how often we have contact with those who have jobs unlike our own.
Helping ourselves
Armed with all kinds of economic, cultural and political power, we support policies that help ourselves. Free trade makes the products we buy cheaper, and our jobs are unlikely to be moved to China. Open immigration makes our service staff cheaper, but new, less-educated immigrants aren’t likely to put downward pressure on our wages.
Like all elites, we use language and mores as tools to recognize one another and exclude others. Using words like problematic, cisgender, Latinx and intersectional is a sure sign that you’ve got cultural capital coming out of your ears. Meanwhile, members of the less-educated classes have to walk on eggshells, because they never know when we’ve changed the usage rules, so that something that was sayable five years ago now gets you fired.
We also change the moral norms in ways that suit ourselves, never mind the cost to others. For example, there used to be a norm that discouraged people from having children outside of marriage, but that got washed away during our period of cultural dominance, as we eroded norms that seemed judgmental or that might inhibit individual freedom.
After this social norm was eroded, a funny thing happened. Members of our class still overwhelmingly married and then had children within wedlock. People without our resources, unsupported by social norms, were less able to do that. As Adrian Wooldridge points out in his magisterial 2021 book, “The Aristocracy of Talent”: “Sixty percent of births to women with only a high school certificate occur out of wedlock, compared with only 10% to women with a university degree.” That matters because “The rate of single parenting is the most significant predictor of social immobility in the country.”
Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject.
Threatening workers
It’s easy to understand why people in less-educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political, cultural and moral assault — and why they’ve rallied around Trump as their best warrior against the educated class. Trump understood that it’s not the entrepreneurs who seem most threatening to workers; it’s the professional class. Trump understood that there was great demand for a leader who would stick his thumb in our eyes on a daily basis and reject the whole epistemic regime that we rode in on.
If distrustful populism is your basic worldview, the Trump indictments seem as just another skirmish on the class war between the professionals and the workers, another assault by a bunch of coastal lawyers who want to take down the man who most aggressively stands up to them. Of course, the indictments don’t cause Trump supporters to abandon him. They cause them to become more fiercely loyal. That’s the polling story of the last six months.
Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison.
But there’s a larger context here. As sociologist E. Digby Baltzell wrote decades ago, “History is a graveyard of classes which have preferred caste privileges to leadership.” That is the destiny our class is now flirting with. We can condemn the Trumpian populists all day until the cows come home, but the real question is when will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable.
David Brooks takes space in my newspaper. He replaced Charles Krauthammer, whom I didn't read either. Political cartoons by Lisa, too. Wasted space in a thin paper. I keep my subscription out of habit and to support the carrier.
 
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ttystikk

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David Brooks takes space in my newspaper. He replaced Charles Krauthammer, whom I didn't read either. Political cartoons by Lisa, too. Wasted space in a thin paper. I keep my subscription for habit and to support the carrier.
Nice of you to support your carrier, but what do you think of David Brooks' piece?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Zack Beauchamp directly takes on the Jenga stack of unsupported ideas in Brooks’s column.


I try to be fairly forgiving of newspaper columnists: Coming up with an actually interesting and original column idea multiple times a week is a lot harder than you think. But this Brooks column is important to talk about on its own, for at least two reasons.

First, Brooks’s column contributes to a false perception that non-college voters form a uniform bloc that moved entirely into the Republican corner. In reality, as the Washington Post’s Greg Sargent points out, a majority of Biden’s supporters did not have college degrees — owing primarily to his strength among nonwhite, non-college voters. The racial split among non-college voters has lessened but are still pronounced — a testament both to the diversity of the American working class and the primary salience of race in American politics.

Second, Brooks’s column is frustrating because it turns an important factual debate into a conversation about elite Americans’ feelings.

In his column, Brooks talks a lot about “narratives” and “stories” one could tell about Trump’s enduring popularity. What he wants, his stated objective, is to get his readers to feel differently about both Trump supporters and themselves.

“Let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys,” Brooks writes.

But this isn’t literary analysis. We’re talking about questions of fact: Competing social scientific theories about why a particular phenomenon, Trump’s persistent and enduring hard core of political support, exists out in reality. The question is not how David Brooks and his friends feel about Trump’s base, but whether what they believe about them is true.

To figure out how to get the country past its current impasse, we need to look at reality as it is, not as we imagine it might be. And the reality is that our deep political divide is rooted, first and foremost, in profound and largely irreconcilable views of who America is for and what its social hierarchy should look like. That may be unpleasant for Brooks — and all of us — to contemplate, but reality’s ugliness doesn’t provide an excuse for ignoring it.
 

Sativied

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This article came across to me like blaming Ukraine and NATO for the Russian invasion, but it does illuminate a frame of mind within Trumpism (and other forms of populism). It also agrees with my theory that the fundamental underlying condition of current Republican/conservative panic is tied to rapid social change.

David Brooks: What if the anti-Trumpers are the real bad guys? (msn.com)
That article reads like someone who didn’t pay enough attention in journalism school… conflating issues that are not connected aside from correlations. Educationism is much older than the US and will eventually be addressed by educated people (regardless of who they support), faster when pro-Trumper types stop being an obstacle. The world isn’t ready for that yet though, we’re still dealing with the aftermath of the democracy of knowledge. It’s not that he doesn’t make a few valid points, it’s just that his conclusions aren’t very ‘smart’.

It’s about as dumb as blaming Biden for world wide inflation.

Trump understood…
lol… an oxymoron. As if his thoughts are any less incoherent and irrational than the utter nonsense he excretes from his face.

During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies must be stupid.”

Another laughable statement. For decades the GOP implied that stupid is good and smart is bad. The type of people that make smart kids hold back in highschool cause they don’t want seem too smart cause that would make them nerds or worse, intellectuals. That’s the main problem, anti-intellectualism and intellectual dishonesty, rooted in christianity. Just a random relevant news article but as I pointed out before in these forums, read Richard Hofstadter.


In a way, the joke’s on the Republican Party: After decades of masquerading as the “stupid party,” that’s what it has become.

Either they adapt and become reasonable and rational and ditch the post-truth nonsense, or they will become irrelevant. Attacking Obama for suggesting his ideas are smart unlike the stupid party of the stupid’s stupid ideas isn’t going to change that.

The last statement, supposing that‘s the real question, even without the non-sequitur conclusion anti-trumpers are the bad guys, is either very dumb, intellectually dishonest, or straight up evil.

Zack Beauchamp directly takes on the Jenga stack of unsupported ideas in Brooks’s column.
Jenga stack… :clap:
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
This promises to be immense. Gravity deviates from Newtonian at very low accelerations. Physics will need to be extensively retooled if this holds.

 

GenericEnigma

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The one thing that does not compute for me is that, if the populist movement is based on economic frustration,

why do they keep electing supply-siders who untax the rich and oppose the programs that actually help the little guy?

Article does not touch that glaring contradiction.
It does not. I don't know how economic the thinking might be, especially generally - but I took the article to touch mostly on social/cultural issues. Personally, I think the dynamic is more social/cultural than economic.

To address your point: propaganda is a hell of a thing. E.g., Law and Order Party? Party of Family Values? Party of Fiscal Responsibility? Fully false and propagandized (in contrast with other parties), with social undertones on each label.
 

GenericEnigma

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Zack Beauchamp directly takes on the Jenga stack of unsupported ideas in Brooks’s column.


I try to be fairly forgiving of newspaper columnists: Coming up with an actually interesting and original column idea multiple times a week is a lot harder than you think. But this Brooks column is important to talk about on its own, for at least two reasons.

First, Brooks’s column contributes to a false perception that non-college voters form a uniform bloc that moved entirely into the Republican corner. In reality, as the Washington Post’s Greg Sargent points out, a majority of Biden’s supporters did not have college degrees — owing primarily to his strength among nonwhite, non-college voters. The racial split among non-college voters has lessened but are still pronounced — a testament both to the diversity of the American working class and the primary salience of race in American politics.

Second, Brooks’s column is frustrating because it turns an important factual debate into a conversation about elite Americans’ feelings.

In his column, Brooks talks a lot about “narratives” and “stories” one could tell about Trump’s enduring popularity. What he wants, his stated objective, is to get his readers to feel differently about both Trump supporters and themselves.

“Let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys,” Brooks writes.

But this isn’t literary analysis. We’re talking about questions of fact: Competing social scientific theories about why a particular phenomenon, Trump’s persistent and enduring hard core of political support, exists out in reality. The question is not how David Brooks and his friends feel about Trump’s base, but whether what they believe about them is true.

To figure out how to get the country past its current impasse, we need to look at reality as it is, not as we imagine it might be. And the reality is that our deep political divide is rooted, first and foremost, in profound and largely irreconcilable views of who America is for and what its social hierarchy should look like. That may be unpleasant for Brooks — and all of us — to contemplate, but reality’s ugliness doesn’t provide an excuse for ignoring it.
Believe you me, I'm in the choir here. At the end of the Vox article, my point about society and culture is underlined, and, though clumsily, Brooks makes the same point.

Gen X is the last generation in line that grew up with relatively static social conditions. Subsequent generations grew up already on the steep part of that parabolic curve. It will take more than a generation of time to move past those who so rigidly hold on to antiquated mores.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It does not. I don't know how economic the thinking might be, especially generally - but I took the article to touch mostly on social/cultural issues. Personally, I think the dynamic is more social/cultural than economic.

To address your point: propaganda is a hell of a thing. E.g., Law and Order Party? Party of Family Values? Party of Fiscal Responsibility? Fully false and propagandized (in contrast with other parties), with social undertones on each label.
The law and order thing failed like shattering glass as soon as FBI caught scent of criminality among GOP holders of high office. Suddenly a hue and cry to dismantle the “weaponized” FBI. “Law and order for everybody else!”

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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Believe you me, I'm in the choir here. At the end of the Vox article, my point about society and culture is underlined, and, though clumsily, Brooks makes the same point.

Gen X is the last generation in line that grew up with relatively static social conditions. Subsequent generations grew up already on the steep part of that parabolic curve. It will take more than a generation of time to move past those who so rigidly hold on to antiquated mores.
As a late-phase boomer, I can attest that the second half of the 60s was not static.
It took a coupla decades for the figurative timber to hit the ground, though.
 

Sativied

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At the end of the Vox article, my point about society and culture is underlined, and, though clumsily, Brooks makes the same point.
I skipped the following in my first reply but consider the above I feel inclined to point out:

It also agrees with my theory that the fundamental underlying condition of current Republican/conservative panic is tied to rapid social change.
Unless you’re one of the great greek philosophers, it’s not ‘your’ theory. I‘m not suggesting you cannot have reached that conclusion on your own, in parallel with for example University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington, but it’s not so much a theory as it is a recurring fact of progressing societies. Brooks is using it to pretend to be reasonable, he’s not making the same point, he’s laying blame and shifting responsibilty.
 

GenericEnigma

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As a late-phase boomer, I can attest that the second half of the 60s was not static.
It took a coupla decades for the figurative timber to hit the ground, though.
I hear ya. Perhaps I overgeneralize. And since the spur for the Tea Party was a Black president, I'd say we're looking at similar phenomena. Population mobility (both geographic and economic) has boiled it back to the top.
 

GenericEnigma

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I skipped the following in my first reply but consider the above I feel inclined to point out:


Unless you’re one of the great greek philosophers, it’s not ‘your’ theory. I‘m not suggesting you cannot have reached that conclusion on your own, in parallel with for example University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington, but it’s not so much a theory as it is a recurring fact of progressing societies. Brooks is using it to pretend to be reasonable, he’s not making the same point, he’s laying blame and shifting responsibilty.
I did not mean to lay claim to identifying the social phenomenon. My claim is (not unique) in stating it to be the major underlying theme of the Tea Party and Trumpism.

I don't know what's in Brooks's head, but I have read enough of his articles to know this one is mealy-mouthed. In other words, I don't care about reasoning behind the Green Bay Sweep or Jan. 6 when it comes to holding folks responsible. But it does help in understanding how we got there.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I skipped the following in my first reply but consider the above I feel inclined to point out:


Unless you’re one of the great greek philosophers, it’s not ‘your’ theory. I‘m not suggesting you cannot have reached that conclusion on your own, in parallel with for example University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington, but it’s not so much a theory as it is a recurring fact of progressing societies. Brooks is using it to pretend to be reasonable, he’s not making the same point, he’s laying blame and shifting responsibilty.
The word theory is very much overused, like paranoid for suspicious.

In a rigorous setting, hypothesis serves better; in ordinary usage, belief covers it. But theory connotes detailed and informed reasoning, so it sounds based, as my kids might say.

I pounded on these semantics when I instructed chemistry.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I’d be more interested in artists who never were with us, like Jelly Roll Haydn, or John Philip Zeppelin.

Tupac Mantovani.
There will be, ugly musicians and composers who will make artificial personalities, synthetic celebrities for public consumption, looks like the Gods with the voices of angels, not all of them will be human... ;)
 
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