The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

My new favorite quote,
"Kremlingate Is Really Just Watergate for Morons—With Russians"

Topics of this caliber are usually best discussed over a 5th of Jack Daniels. That way nobody remembers anything the next day.

Sour Wreck said:

you must believe little rocket man is giving up his nukes. that's gullible...

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Yes, anybody who thinks Trump is why North Korea is closing the nuclear test facility or that they are going to give up their nukes is gullible.

Sour Wreck said:

its the fake christian, white evangelical republicans who allowed this. no other person in my life could say or do the things trump did and said. evangelicals accepted it, where they have not in the past.

they sold out to the devil and deserve extreme criticism for their hypocrisy... church membership was already on the decline. trump just put more nails in the coffin. stupid motherfuckers cut their own throat..

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If what you say is true then why virtually no black protestant voters for Trump?

Racist, misogynist white men and women are why Trump. There are plenty in the religious community, white, black, asian, latino who are repelled by Trump. There are polling numbers that show, yes, white evangelists mainly voted for him but it wasn't religion that brought them to Trump.

DIY-HP-LED said:

He deserves no credit. Both North and South Korea along with China and Japan want to keep Trump out of the situation, all recognise the greater danger. When they pass out Nobels peace prizes for those looking to start wars and mass murder millions to act as a distraction, the prize won't be worth much.

Trump is a danger and everybody with a brain is worried, if they don't have a war now he would start one if he was anywhere near there. He still needs a distraction and everybody knows he would kill tens of millions on the Korean peninsula to get one, not the kind of thing they pass out Nobel prizes for.

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I was being sarcastic when I said:

Fogdog said:

Trump did scare Kim to the negotiating table. His calling him Rocket Man showed North Korea that Trump was nobody to be trifled with.

He deserves credit for that.

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It was a failed attempt but it was an attempt at humor.

Sour Wreck said:

its the fake christian, white evangelical republicans who allowed this. no other person in my life could say or do the things trump did and said. evangelicals accepted it, where they have not in the past.

they sold out to the devil and deserve extreme criticism for their hypocrisy... church membership was already on the decline. trump just put more nails in the coffin. stupid motherfuckers cut their own throat..

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Is the Trump presidency a religious cult?
Are fundamentalist Christians a dangerous religious cult? Possibly. The controversial author and religious scholar Reza Aslan posits that President Donald Trump has much of his evangelical fan-base believing that he's somehow been anointed by God to become President. Nevermind the Russian election scandal, his affairs with porn stars and unwarranted sexual acts towards women, or his inability to remember even a single Bible verse when asked. Evangelical Christians are abandoning their core moral beliefs to follow, as Reza suggests, someone who exhibits every trademark of a cult leader.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Is the Trump presidency a religious cult?

Are fundamentalist Christians a dangerous religious cult? Possibly. The controversial author and religious scholar Reza Aslan posits that President Donald Trump has much of his evangelical fan-base believing that he's somehow been anointed by God to become President. Nevermind the Russian election scandal, his affairs with porn stars and unwarranted sexual acts towards women, or his inability to remember even a single Bible verse when asked. Evangelical Christians are abandoning their core moral beliefs to follow, as Reza suggests, someone who exhibits every trademark of a cult leader.

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If evangelist and more broadly charismatic churches are why Trump, then why didn't black protestants vote for him? There are plenty of devout socially conservative black churches out there. Trump's racist rhetoric repelled them as much as his racist, misogynist rhetoric attracted white evangelist and southern protestant church goers to vote for him.

Trump was elected by racist and misogynist white people who are gradually losing their entitled position in society. There are plenty of Christians who are appalled by Trump. I'm Atheist but recognize that religion is a tool for organizing people and society. Religion can be put to good or bad use.

Certainly, the teachings of Jesus and the Old Testament don't condone Trump's and the evangelist white racist church's actions.

What's going on right now is due to dynamics in demographics where a large contingent of white racist voters are slowly losing control. Demographic modeling indicates we are in for about 10 years of swings back and forth in our government until a more diverse socially minded population takes control from white, mostly baby boomers and gen x voters.

Fogdog said:

If evangelist and more broadly charismatic churches are why Trump, then why didn't black protestants vote for him? There are plenty of devout socially conservative black churches out there. Trump's racist rhetoric repelled them as much as his racist, misogynist rhetoric attracted white evangelist and southern protestant church goers to vote for him.

Trump was elected by racist and misogynist white people who are gradually losing their entitled position in society. There are plenty of Christians who are appalled by Trump. I'm Atheist but recognize that religion is a tool for organizing people and society. Religion can be put to good or bad use.

Certainly, the teachings of Jesus and the Old Testament don't condone Trump's and the evangelist white racist church's actions.

What's going on right now is due to dynamics in demographics where a large contingent of white racist voters are slowly losing control. Demographic modeling indicates we are in for about 10 years of swings back and forth in our government until a more diverse socially minded population takes control from white, mostly baby boomers and gen x voters.

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This is also a factor and probably the biggest one.
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Democrats need to stop believing this myth about Trump's base
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/28/opinions/trump-base-economy-myth-opinion-zelizer/index.html

(CNN)The big myth about the 2016 presidential election was that economic suffering drove most of Donald Trump's "base" directly into his hands in states such as Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. The story goes that while Democrats were tied in knots about identity politics, Trump's attacks on China, free trade and open-ended immigration appealed to struggling workers who believed he could bring back their jobs.

The problem with the narrative is that we keep learning it is not true.

Some Democrats have responded to the widely circulated misconception about why Clinton lost by insisting that the party needs to move away from identity politics -- issues revolving around gender equality and racial justice -- and focus in on economic issues. Instead, Democrats should be basing their 2020 election strategy on what is actually true.


A just-published study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by the political scientist Diana Mutz found that white, Christian, male voters were attracted to Trump out of fear that their social status keeps dwindling. It was, in fact, Trump who was focused on identity politics, not simply the Democrats.

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Nothing like identity politics from the left

Fogdog said:

If evangelist and more broadly charismatic churches are why Trump, then why didn't black protestants vote for him? There are plenty of devout socially conservative black churches out there. Trump's racist rhetoric repelled them as much as his racist, misogynist rhetoric attracted white evangelist and southern protestant church goers to vote for him.

Trump was elected by racist and misogynist white people who are gradually losing their entitled position in society. There are plenty of Christians who are appalled by Trump. I'm Atheist but recognize that religion is a tool for organizing people and society. Religion can be put to good or bad use.

Certainly, the teachings of Jesus and the Old Testament don't condone Trump's and the evangelist white racist church's actions.

What's going on right now is due to dynamics in demographics where a large contingent of white racist voters are slowly losing control. Demographic modeling indicates we are in for about 10 years of swings back and forth in our government until a more diverse socially minded population takes control from white, mostly baby boomers and gen x voters.

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Why do blacks get treated badly by their own race when they talk properly?. In this country that is.

After you answer that you will understand why blacks did not vote for him in mass even if they like what he says.

Look at what is happening with kanye.

Terps said:

Nothing like identity politics from the left

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Or from the extreme right, who is into identity politics with groups like neo nazis and the alt right, Trump is all about dog whistles and identity politics. Not too many non whites at the Trump rallies.

Serious Weeds said:

Why do blacks get treated badly by their own race when they talk properly?. In this country that is.

After you answer that you will understand why blacks did not vote for him in mass even if they like what he says.

Look at what is happening with kanye.

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Racist bullshit and off topic, more identity politics.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Racist bullshit and off topic, more identity politics.

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It is the truth. And it is in my opinion one ofthe things keeping the black race down in America.
That and to much assistance creates a dependence.

Serious Weeds said:

It is the truth. And it is in my opinion one ofthe things keeping the black race down in America.
That and to much assistance creates a dependence.

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I know some people who think filipinos are subhuman, I don't agree with that either. I have friends who are filipino, used to work with a few and some were real assholes, most were fine folks, just like everybody else. Judging individuals by their appearance is always a mistake, judging whole groups of humans by such criteria is tragic. There are plenty of black folks that are both better and smarter than you.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I know some people who think filipinos are subhuman, I don't agree with that either. I have friends who are filipino, used to work with a few and some were real assholes, most were fine folks, just like everybody else. Judging individuals by their appearance is always a mistake, judging whole groups of humans by such criteria is tragic. There are plenty of black folks that are both better and smarter than you.

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Side stepping the issue won't help anyone.
I'm not saying everyone is like that.

Plenty have woken and see it as a issue, but until it gets more attention it wont change at a large enough scale to make a difference.

I know decent blacks as well that don't talk like idiots. I know one fine gentleman in particular that was raised by his grandmother he is an example for other blacks around him. If only they realized it.

We are all prejudice it is human nature it helps you identify situations quickly. But that does not mean wre are all racists.

You want to see real racism go to south America. In the states the only real racism I see is on TV or the internet but I have not been through the whole country just speaking from experience.

Serious Weeds said:

It is the truth. And it is in my opinion one ofthe things keeping the black race down in America.
That and to much assistance creates a dependence.

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What a shitty stupid post

Serious Weeds said:

Side stepping the issue won't help anyone.
I'm not saying everyone is like that.

Plenty have woken and see it as a issue, but until it gets more attention it wont change at a large enough scale to make a difference.

I know decent blacks as well that don't talk like idiots. I know one fine gentleman in particular that was raised by his grandmother he is an example for other blacks around him. If only they realized it.

We are all prejudice it is human nature it helps you identify situations quickly. But that does not mean wre are all racists.

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Black people in America have a distinctive culture and way of speaking, they were ghettoized for most of American history. Many people in the UK speak with a "lower class" accent and southern whites are often characterised as stupid for the way they speak. You have no real point.

Serious Weeds said:

You want to see real racism go to south America. In the states the only real racism I see is on TV or the internet but I have not been through the whole country just speaking from experience.

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Racism and fear induced xenophobia are worldwide issues, good people speak and act against it. The only logical end to racism are the gates of a place like Auschwitz, America can't afford this kind of bullshit, nobody can.

DIY-HP-LED said:

This is also a factor and probably the biggest one.
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Democrats need to stop believing this myth about Trump's base
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/28/opinions/trump-base-economy-myth-opinion-zelizer/index.html

(CNN)The big myth about the 2016 presidential election was that economic suffering drove most of Donald Trump's "base" directly into his hands in states such as Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. The story goes that while Democrats were tied in knots about identity politics, Trump's attacks on China, free trade and open-ended immigration appealed to struggling workers who believed he could bring back their jobs.

The problem with the narrative is that we keep learning it is not true.

Some Democrats have responded to the widely circulated misconception about why Clinton lost by insisting that the party needs to move away from identity politics -- issues revolving around gender equality and racial justice -- and focus in on economic issues. Instead, Democrats should be basing their 2020 election strategy on what is actually true.


A just-published study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by the political scientist Diana Mutz found that white, Christian, male voters were attracted to Trump out of fear that their social status keeps dwindling. It was, in fact, Trump who was focused on identity politics, not simply the Democrats.

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I boiled it down to its simplest by calling them for what they are, racist and misogynist white people. The article you posted was written to be read by a wider audience and so it called the Trump voter motivated by "the cultural anxieties of white male voters", I call them racist and misogynist, the article calls them "culturally anxious whites". The article was, I think, being kind to them in order get more people to read it.

In that article the author says that some who look at the data behind attitudes of the Trump voter suggest that the Democratic Party will only go so far in attracting the Trump voter if it focuses only on economic issues. That in order to attract the Trump voter, it would have to turn its back on the Democratic Party's base which includes minority and women who are motivated by their own issues of equal rights to men in this society. @Padawanbater2 and @ttystikk have said the same. This is in fact what Bernie Sanders is doing through his speech and actions against the base of the Democratic Party. I think its a losing strategy for Bernie and that he might do better if he ran as a Republican.

The article goes on to say that we've been here before with the Democratic Party when it shifted focus from states rights towards civil rights.

They might remember Hubert Humphrey, who told "States' Rights" Democrats at the 1948 party convention: "To those who say that this civil-rights program is an infringement on states' rights, I say this: The time has arrived in America for the Democratic Party to get out of the shadow of states' rights and to walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights."

In the short-term, Humphrey took a lot of heat for making that speech, which cost Democrats Southern votes. But in the long-run, he was on the right side of history.

We've been here before. Democrats did lose control of congress and the presidency in the '50's. Focusing on civil rights alienates "culturally anxious whites". "Culturally anxious whites" are why we lost control of government in 2016. But the tides of time are against them, not the Democratic party's base. That they are inept at governing is also why they will lose this fall. They won't be gone though. The next decade will be full of their rhetoric and they won't go away any time soon. I predict those anxious whites will become even more radicalized and in the next decade, threaten our Democracy in order to prevent social progress. The already are.