The Art of The Auto

lowrdr said:

am bored and while im posting pics i thought id add a few of my previous grows. all done in my cab under 2x 250w cfls, 1 red and 1 blue.

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Nice collection you got going on there lowrdr
I see you keep a nice and dark green plant like i do
I love seeing them lush like that, the dark green
is such a site of a happy well fed plant.

What are your feed schedules and ferts
that is if you dont mind my asking.
what ever it is your doing they like.

aeviaanah said:

Sup everyone...I have never grown an auto strain or do i have the genetics to. I would like to start learning the benefits to an auto strain over a photo period strain. Anybody have any good reasons?

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Well there are several reasons really, but it depends on your needs.

As many have mentioned time, space, as well as yield are the three main things autos are good for.
I have grown photo period plants in the past but tried out the Purple Jem and found something that i really liked
From seed to harvest it was 8 weeks total. When i smoked it i couldnt believe the results.
I could grow a fully mature trich in 8 weeks and its potent. And they can be grown in about any condition.

I can run then in full cycle, start a few let them roll a week or so and then add more maximizing my space.
The true autos that i have been growing are continuing to blow my mind with results.
They have come far past the LR1 days with potency.

If you grow them with care they will reward you every time. I have used the same method every time
and yield with in 5% of the last grow and nothing under a oz a plant. Its like a clock.

43Hitman said:

Thanks. I read that thread and the last post complaining was 7 months ago, so I think I'll be okay. :fingers crossed:

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I hate to hear this for the both of you
i was lucky enough to get my JEMS at the right time

I am really interested to see if these do auto
May your grow will help us figure out what is going on here
if they go auto they may have fixed the issue
if not i think that we might have an epidemic on out hands.

man.... really enjoying this thread gents! still awaiting birth on my ladies... anxst! anyway, question on if anyone has tried the "air pots" from that co in scottland. Just stumbled across themn trying to find my favorite seed trays as my usual supplier dried up on em. curious if anyone had any experience with them. btw, i really like these trays ive been using for starts... 3 by 3 by 5 inch deep for a total 31 cubic inches... heres a link to the cups and trays...

http://www.growers-inc.com/03it-sqv0030.html 3 x 3 x 5 cups
http://www.growers-inc.com/03it-trv2830d.html tray for 28 sq of above cups... however now I'm wondering how much siginifcane these air pots would have on the autos since they are so "root dependent" so to speak... check ouyt the youtube vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nceTm3r1mZc&feature=related

thoughts... comments?

John Mondello said:

man.... really enjoying this thread gents! still awaiting birth on my ladies... anxst! anyway, question on if anyone has tried the "air pots" from that co in scottland. Just stumbled across themn trying to find my favorite seed trays as my usual supplier dried up on em. curious if anyone had any experience with them. btw, i really like these trays ive been using for starts... 3 by 3 by 5 inch deep for a total 31 cubic inches... heres a link to the cups and trays...

http://www.growers-inc.com/03it-sqv0030.html 3 x 3 x 5 cups
http://www.growers-inc.com/03it-trv2830d.html tray for 28 sq of above cups... however now I'm wondering how much siginifcane these air pots would have on the autos since they are so "root dependent" so to speak... check ouyt the youtube vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nceTm3r1mZc&feature=related

thoughts... comments?

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I actually did this experiment this past summer with a run on my BW.
The plant did really well and was great. Thing is it kept her small.
Most photo plant can grow and grow in this fashion but it seems to keep the auto small

Id give the tall pots a try this is what i am looking for to grow in right now


You can see the mesh pruned the roots but kept the plant balanced and small

interesting experiment... if you follow this link tho you'll see there is quite a difference in the design between the screen mesh and the actual air pots... wonder if anyone had actually tried those specifically... think I might in the nex throw over.

I will say however... very nice job!

currently usin 1.25 gal pots that are deep and filled right to the brim... max root depth as I've heard all these things... roots are apparently extreeeeeemly important on the autos... at least thats the vibe I'm gettin... lol

J

John Mondello said:

interesting experiment... if you follow this link tho you'll see there is quite a difference in the design between the screen mesh and the actual air pots... wonder if anyone had actually tried those specifically... think I might in the nex throw over.

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I dont think that there has been anyone with autos try these. I followed a guy growing a photo plant in them and it did well in it kept things in check for him.

The mesh design allows the same principle as the air pots. The air pots have cones to direct the roots to the open air. Once the root reaches that point it begins to die back
once the end has died, the root will produce all kinds of feeder roots behind that point. The mesh did the same thing, allowed air to come in contact with the root system keeping them trimmed. Its all about providing the best amount of root space available. The large ones may work better and produce a larger plant due to the size, i do believe mine were small because of the size of the container.

that was a fairly small pot tho huh? looks about the same vol as my 3 3 5 squares... what was dry weight from that?

fair enough... same in practice effectively, well I like the cost-reductive approach... i'd like to try that with a bigger pot... maybe a .8 gal or so.... did you use nylon screen for that?

FullDuplex said:

I hate to hear this for the both of you
i was lucky enough to get my JEMS at the right time

I am really interested to see if these do auto
May your grow will help us figure out what is going on here
if they go auto they may have fixed the issue
if not i think that we might have an epidemic on out hands.

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Yeah hopefully they corrected the prob. Only time will tell.. Once it comes time to flower I would like to know what the word is on your end HITMAN and I will do the same. How many STAR RYDERS do you plan on starting?

It really is a shame if this is still going on. I feel sorry for the people who have been screwed by these UNCERTAIN STRAINS.

I have been planning my very first grow which i will be conducting in a grow box that is about 24"x18"x24". Obviously these are some somewhat constricting dimensions so I've decided that growing auto flowering strains would be the best way for me to maximize the space. It is going to be a closed container as well so heat is an issue and i've chosen to go with 8 26W cfl's for my light source. However, this is my first grow and i have a lot of questions. How many plants would you estimate i could fit inside of my box? How long is the veg cycle for these little ladies? during the veg cycle what combination of 2700k and 6500k bulbs should i use? what light/dark ratio should the plants get during the veg stage? if i use fox farms soil which one should i choose and how often after planting should i fertilize? what is the best water pH for the AFL's? what light/dark ratio should the plants get during the flowering stage? during the flowering cycle what combination of 2700k and 6500k bulbs should i use? do you have a trusted website through which i could order some AFL seeds? what are your favorite AFL strains?

Thanks in advance for any advice. Feel free to bestow upon me any knowledge a first time grower should posses that i may have neglected to ask about.

FullDuplex said:

Nice collection you got going on there lowrdr
I see you keep a nice and dark green plant like i do
I love seeing them lush like that, the dark green
is such a site of a happy well fed plant.

What are your feed schedules and ferts
that is if you dont mind my asking.
what ever it is your doing they like.

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i dont really have feeding schedules, i feed them when they are hungry. im a great believer of being able to read ones ladies and give them what they need. i use ionic grow and bloom ferts, some will scream and shout about not using chemical ferts but they work well for me. i think it helped that the water in my old house was bang on the right ph, no fiddling needed. i have a feeling the ph is out in this house, will wait and see.

lowrdr said:

i dont really have feeding schedules, i feed them when they are hungry. im a great believer of being able to read ones ladies and give them what they need. i use ionic grow and bloom ferts, some will scream and shout about not using chemical ferts but they work well for me. i think it helped that the water in my old house was bang on the right ph, no fiddling needed. i have a feeling the ph is out in this house, will wait and see.

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ah nice to hear that, i too am one to give them what they need when they want it rather than force feed.
I started using chemical ferts and then went semi-organic and then all the way to teas only now.
I also use a chemical pH down in the water if need be and its never hurt a thing and my smoke has never been harsh.

Im actually to the point where i can just use water through the whole grow.
My soil mix is almost there. The next run will be a soil run only, just ph corrected water to see if i have things in the right balance.

I also am fortunate to have good tap water if i run out of rain water. I have used it several time in a pinch and its never bothered a thing.

It is amazing what they will tell and teach you if you just listen to them.

Well FD, it's been two days since I treated my plant with the Epsom salt solution and I don't see any new damage. I was smart enough to think ahead and take pictures of the leaves. I also took notes so I wouldn't accidentally over due the treatment thinking the problem was progressing. So I'll let her dry out a few more days and then give her a light flowering nute dose to help her through till the end. According to the breeder she's supposed to be done in 60 days and is at 44 days old. Thanks again for your help. Okay so now I want to show you my Lowryder x Ak47 besides just a couple of the lower fan leaves she looks great. I have only given her pH'd water and no nutes, so I really am not sure what the yellowing is from.



And here's a pic of the ladies getting some sun. Back left is another White Dwarf (18 days), Center is our patient White Dwarf (44 days), Back Right is a Dina Fem Road Runner (37 days), and Front Right is the Lowryder xAk47 (36 days). I love seeing the different traits between the plants.

Hey duplex, I was sent here by you and I'm curious on what you think of my light setup and how much you think something like that would yield?

43Hitman said:

Well FD, it's been two days since I treated my plant with the Epsom salt solution and I don't see any new damage.

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Awesome glad to hear that. get her back on some light nutes like you said and she should finish out great. Its always good to get something corrected at first try that way the plant doesn't suffer to long and cause a low yield. Im sure shell reward you well.

Okay so now I want to show you my Lowryder x Ak47 besides just a couple of the lower fan leaves she looks great. I have only given her pH'd water and no nutes, so I really am not sure what the yellowing is from.

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From what i can tell fro the pics she is not in any real danger. The yellowing is at the lowest point of the plant. Its taking the stored food source right out of those leaves. If you have only been feeding her pH water she is looking for food and has started to use what she knows best, the stored energy that is in the fans. this is actually a sign that the plant is healthy to be honest. She is doing exactly what she would do in nature to sustain her self. Eating what is there for her weither its in the soil or her leaves.

Give here a little dose of bloom nutes, make sure its got a fair amount of N in it and that yellowing will stop.

they all look great together keep up the good work.

snwbrda said:

Hey duplex, I was sent here by you and I'm curious on what you think of my light setup and how much you think something like that would yield?

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Glad that you made it over here and good luck with the seeds you got.
As far as yield its hard to tell, there are some many things that can impact it other than light
when it comes to autos.

But sounds to me you have a decent amount in there and that should get you going
give them a run under there and see what happens. If you browse through the thread
you will see other CFL grows here and get a better idea of what you will get out of them

Few things that i can recommend on, get your self at least a 2-3 gal pot if you want big yields
make sure that you have light airy soil that is light in ferts, non at all if possiable
keep the PH of your water in check, and dont over feed they will tell you what they need.
Keep tons of o2 in your water to promote healthy roots.

All of the above information as well as a ton of other info is here on how to grow them.
if you have any issues were here to help.

Speed and safety with them

FD

Hey FD, I have been planning my very first grow which i will be conducting in a grow box that is about 24"x18"x24". Obviously these are some somewhat constricting dimensions so I've decided that growing auto flowering strains would be the best way for me to maximize the space. It is going to be a closed container as well so heat is an issue and i've chosen to go with 8 26W cfl's for my light source. However, this is my first grow and i have a lot of questions. How many plants would you estimate i could fit inside of my box? How long is the veg cycle for these little ladies? during the veg cycle what combination of 2700k and 6500k bulbs should i use? what light/dark ratio should the plants get during the veg stage? if i use fox farms soil which one should i choose and how often after planting should i fertilize? what is the best water pH for the AFL's? what light/dark ratio should the plants get during the flowering stage? during the flowering cycle what combination of 2700k and 6500k bulbs should i use? do you have a trusted website through which i could order some AFL seeds? what are your favorite AFL strains?

Thanks in advance for any advice. Feel free to bestow upon me any knowledge a first time grower should posses that i may have neglected to ask about.