TGA Subcool Vortex Questions!!!

Haven't grown vortex personally so I can't say. What I can say about TGA is that you will find frosty dankness.I am so sick of bluntmassa hating on TGA constantly with no experience. Bluntmassa has never grown out a single TGA strain and continually hates on them just b/c he says so. BTW the Vortex that won the cup bluntmassa wasnt even grown by Sub, it was submitted and grown by someone else. So you again continue to spout off about shit you have no clue about. Yes there are haters as their are with all seed companies. I can find plenty of people who grew out Mr Nice seeds (your god) and got hermies. In fact if you'd like I can source them as I have before. And you basically saying that only non experienced people grows/likes TGA is highly laughable. Are you trying to say Nugbuckets, Hovering, Geekmike, TCurtiss, Wheezer, Kushking, Budologist and a plethora of others don't know what they are doing? Your so full of shit your breath stinks. If you haven't grown it, keep your fucking mouth shut because your opinion is based on nothing. Plain and simple.

T-Ray

ive had real good results with chernobyl. pandoras box though hermied like a mofo on me this year.

ive grown out alot og cali connection from swerv alot og tga tricome jungle somaseed bhodi resin and delt9. in my expiriance i found out that fem seed from all this companies hermi by streesing them just a little exept for tga cuz he dosnt belive in fems and i can see why he dosnt they r to much of a problem. out of all this companies my top 3 are tga cali connect and delta9 all thier strains are keepers in my opinion and i haven ever had a problem with hermi problrms at all exept with plushberry witch as a matter afact sub himself said it tends to hermi if u let it mature to much and thats what happend. still it was a great strain and i do belive its way better than djs bb tga has flavors and great resin profiles cali connection has great cchem and kush strains his purpchem is amazing and the deadhead crazy good, delt9 they are true and tested great high on all of them especially fog they r great i say all this from expiriance. please bros dont belive what u read try out the seeds first then talk have some knowleged before u start rating on how much u hate a seed co. also all and i mean all plants herm, somrtimes its the breeders fault sometimes the growers fault just do ur research. we got eneough people hating on cannabis and trying to keep it illegal we dont need our own weed brothers hating on us to.

by the way i know my spelling sucks and i dont auto correct cuz im just way to high lol

T Ray said:

Haven't grown vortex personally so I can't say. What I can say about TGA is that you will find frosty dankness.I am so sick of bluntmassa hating on TGA constantly with no experience. Bluntmassa has never grown out a single TGA strain and continually hates on them just b/c he says so. BTW the Vortex that won the cup bluntmassa wasnt even grown by Sub, it was submitted and grown by someone else. So you again continue to spout off about shit you have no clue about. Yes there are haters as their are with all seed companies. I can find plenty of people who grew out Mr Nice seeds (your god) and got hermies. In fact if you'd like I can source them as I have before. And you basically saying that only non experienced people grows/likes TGA is highly laughable. Are you trying to say Nugbuckets, Hovering, Geekmike, TCurtiss, Wheezer, Kushking, Budologist and a plethora of others don't know what they are doing? Your so full of shit your breath stinks. If you haven't grown it, keep your fucking mouth shut because your opinion is based on nothing. Plain and simple.

T-Ray

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I told the dude to buy the 5 pack if he wanted to try them. but subcool aint nothing more than a glorified pollen chucker. I've also seen a few hermie reports from mr. nice just like I've seen of all companies but the amount of seeds mr. nice pumps out its not really that many and I'm sure mr. nice pumps out a lot more seeds then tga but mr. nice is not my god I like all the older companies only thing I like more about mr. nice is his seeds from his auction are dirt cheap and all their strains are worked on like actual breeders do. their not just a bunch of clone only strains that nobody truely knows the genetics on crossed to a few good males with one generation and selling. and thats not just mr. nice theirs serious seeds, sensi seeds, dj short ( which subcool thinks hes better than), paridise seeds and a few others that I have no problem spending money on. but I'm sure you can get good results with tga just like you can get good results with nirvana seeds. and I'm far from the worst tga hater I think I only posted in this thread once and let you fan boys have your fun.

cotchept said:

All the while you pump Sensi seeds and Serious seeds. Seriously? Those 2 companies haven't made a worthwhile strain in over 15 fucking years. They keep putting out the same overpriced watered down genetics while doing nothing new.

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I can't speak for Sensi but I'm personally a big Serious Seeds fan. Their AK47 is still winning awards after 15 years, what else needs to be said? I agree that I'd like to see some new stuff from Serious Seeds but it takes years to work, stabilize and test new strains. Companies like TGA that release a few hybrids per year are not stabilizing anything. In fact, they're doing nothing different than a typical closet breeder. I'm not saying you can't create fire by chucking pollen but that's not breeding.

You must of not even grown out Serious back when they were good. Their Kail Mist used to be awesome until Simon bred more indica into to and even tried to enter into into the indica category in the cup. Serious has gone way downhill despite only offering 4 strains. lol

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I have their kali mist and the seed pack was purchased in the last two years. It's still outstanding. 100+ day sativas aren't for the novice or even the halfway experienced grower. Kali Mist will hold its own against any near pure sativa on the market today.

In regards to TGA, I personally don't think they're a good value but if that's the company you want to go with, buy 3 packs of the same hybrid. It's a numbers game when working with F1 crosses, work with as many as you can.

In fact, they're doing nothing different than a typical closet breeder. I'm not saying you can't create fire by chucking pollen but that's not breeding.

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If your going to be specific, you should be very specific. It is the beginning of breeding a line, to be fair! It is also a protection/defense of a successful cross as well as an out for someone incapable or unwilling to locate the next filial generation. By only offering f1s you can assure roughly 75% desired representation with f2s dropping this to 15-25% thus making it highly unlikely specific traits walk from a given offering.

**not to say that is right or wrong, just factual**

UGGEB420 said:

ive grown out alot og cali connection from swerv alot og tga tricome jungle somaseed bhodi resin and delt9. in my expiriance i found out that fem seed from all this companies hermi by streesing them just a little exept for tga cuz he dosnt belive in fems and i can see why he dosnt they r to much of a problem. out of all this companies my top 3 are tga cali connect and delta9 all thier strains are keepers in my opinion and i haven ever had a problem with hermi problrms at all exept with plushberry witch as a matter afact sub himself said it tends to hermi if u let it mature to much and thats what happend. still it was a great strain and i do belive its way better than djs bb tga has flavors and great resin profiles cali connection has great cchem and kush strains his purpchem is amazing and the deadhead crazy good, delt9 they are true and tested great high on all of them especially fog they r great i say all this from expiriance. please bros dont belive what u read try out the seeds first then talk have some knowleged before u start rating on how much u hate a seed co. also all and i mean all plants herm, somrtimes its the breeders fault sometimes the growers fault just do ur research. we got eneough people hating on cannabis and trying to keep it illegal we dont need our own weed brothers hating on us to.

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i just finished 3 female stargazers from a 5 pack, delta 9 labs is recommended, bit pricey. 5 fem F.O.G out of 10 seeds, finish outdoors in 3-4 days. 11-12 week phenos.

colocowboy said:

If your going to be specific, you should be very specific. It is the beginning of breeding a line, to be fair! It is also a protection/defense of a successful cross as well as an out for someone incapable or unwilling to locate the next filial generation. By only offering f1s you can assure roughly 75% desired representation with f2s dropping this to 15-25% thus making it highly unlikely specific traits walk from a given offering.

**not to say that is right or wrong, just factual**

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I agree. F1 is the first step in the breeding process and it takes a lot of work and a lot of plants to get through that F2 generation enroute to something more stable and uniform down the road. To also be specific, a lot of true breeders will work with either landrace or stabilized parents. I think in regards to the 'laws of breeding', things can be a little more predictable down the line when working with 'pure' parents. That's one reason why skunk, NL, haze, and afghan seem to be in the linage of every strain out there. I personally have an interest in jumping outside that box with unique landrace strains, as rare as they are.

**Full disclosure here, I've grown a hybrid that used JTR in the cross. It was frosty, potent, aromatic, and had it yielded better, I'd have kept her for more than one round. Though given the mishmash of genetics in her linage, I wouldn't have bred with her.

homebrewer said:

I agree. F1 is the first step in the breeding process and it takes a lot of work and a lot of plants to get through that F2 generation enroute to something more stable and uniform down the road. To also be specific, a lot of true breeders will work with either landrace or stabilized parents. I think in regards to the 'laws of breeding', things can be a little more predictable down the line when working with 'pure' parents. That's one reason why skunk, NL, haze, and afghan seem to be in the linage of every strain out there. I personally have an interest in jumping outside that box with unique landrace strains, as rare as they are.

**Full disclosure here, I've grown a hybrid that used JTR in the cross. It was frosty, potent, aromatic, and had it yielded better, I'd have kept her for more than one round. Though given the mishmash of genetics in her linage, I wouldn't have bred with her.

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It is kind of mincing words to say landrace or stabilized because those terms are really opposite one another with respect to breeding true. I have worked with several of landrace genetics but "stable" or "pure" aren't words I would use to describe their true breeding tendencies. In my experience stabilization is an effect of selection rather than an inherent characteristic. I would argue that the natural position of cannabis is de-individualized nature by virtue makes this a polarized concept. I would further say that mish mash is really all modern work, it's just a melting pot. lol

It could be argued that the mettle of a breeder should be measured by derivation and propagation of selective pressures. As you stated that would be the inferred scrutiny of so called "breeders" vs. "pollen chuckers." By this there are not very many that one could actually call a breeder let alone validate their work. Which of course is completely by staunch virtue, unattainable really. Just like Sir. Isaac Newton said "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

There is no such thing as peeling back to landrace and calling the expressed purity "stable". If that bud was that good you could have made the effort to investigate wheather what you liked about it was true breeding, the research involved in male selection is no more prohibitive. That statement negates any and all work to that hybrid's expression. If you didn't breed it I would argue that you don't really personally know that what part of your experience was breeding true.

I've bred with a select JTR male and it breeds pretty true all things considered. I hit it to a Trainwreck clone I had and the resulting progeny were all fairly uniform with phenotypes leaning towards each parent. It also carried over the frost, potency, and that lemon candy flavor. Wish I hit more plants with that pollen cuz everything that came from that male has been firemost.

bluntmassa1 said:

say's a guy who's only grown tga seeds. if this was true tga wouldn't have countless haters and its not just on riu icmag.com has more haters of tga. when you have that many people complaining about hermies and crazy pheno hunting and then you say their all as described I call bullshit on that one. I've only seen one plant come from tga that looked above average which was a chernobyl it did look damn good but looked like a low yielder. and saying "TGA has some of the best strains available!" just sounds ignorant when you've had breeders working over 30 years to create some of the best strains in the world back crossing, inbreeding, stabilizeing and hybridizeing its kinda hard to believe that a guy who breeds 1 male to several clone only strains in one generation and sells them as a strain is anyway near the best. if you ask me I'd say serious seeds, mr. nice and sensi seeds have some of the best strains but their are others with great strains. their are strains from the 80's-90's that can still compete with the best shit coming out today.

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Haha your Funny Guy! Ive grown out more seeds than you have ever even seen Son.. I have mothers from all different companies in my collection... My TGA cuts are some of the most colorful most resinated best tasting buds out there!
You probably haven't even grown any out yourself.. Like they say HATERS are going to Hate! Thats what they do! If you hate TGA so bad stay off there threads!

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If you take some time to check on this site every seeds company have their fans & haters, review will go from pure junk to amazement for the same strain. Having actually grown 5 different strain from Subcool I can tell you he as some good genetic. Personally my favorite strain from is collection is by far Jack the Ripper I would give it a 9.5/10 review. Qwerkle did well too I'd give it an 8/10 review but its indica dominant & my preference goes for sativa dominant. I use to keep a Vortex mother plant but I replace it with a Jack the Ripper both are good sativa dominant strain but Jack is really a killer and take only a couple extra weeks to flower. Agent orange & Jilly beans both left me unimpressed. Cannabis cup is a big joke considering Barney’s Tangerine Dream won a cup & you can smoke a joint the size of a cigar of that shit without feeling anything else than a headache.

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man, i saw some querkle being grown outside on youtube this past summer asnd let me tell you i was in total awe. Goosebumps then my first thought was i HAVE TO TRY THIS STRAIN, every person i know that has REALLY grown subs strains ,none have any complaints as of yet.

i dont like to do much posting but, i hate when people bash strains and say how this sucks and that sucks . hermie this and hermie that, theres plenty of people on here more experianced than i. yet in 20 years ive had 3 plants herm on me. i will be the first one to say it wasnt the seeds, it was me causeing stress to the girls. have had excelent sucsess with everything ive orderd. didnt matter if it was from the tude or sannies or greenthumb. or world wide m. a male pod or two coming strait off stalk but i remove and never had a full blown seed out unless i hit it on purpous. never the less no bashing intended. im no pro at anything but have had no probs with any of these strains either other than not getting pheno i wanted good luck everyone

masterkush81 said:

Haha your Funny Guy! Ive grown out more seeds than you have ever even seen Son.. I have mothers from all different companies in my collection... My TGA cuts are some of the most colorful most resinated best tasting buds out there!
You probably haven't even grown any out yourself.. Like they say HATERS are going to Hate! Thats what they do! If you hate TGA so bad stay off there threads!

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I really don't hate I don't give a shit what you like but I'm not paying top dollar for seeds I can breed myself. so of course I haven't tried tga its like homebrewer said their nothing but closet breeders all they do is take one good female f1 hybrid and cross to one good male f1 hybrid and we all know what you get from crossing 2 different f1 hybrids don't we its called a poly hybrid. now look at shantibaba's original f1 hybrid of black widow he took 2 stable strains and crossed them creating a true f1 hybrid that has traits from both the mother and father. just look at the results from a private grower called pacific. I've also seen a bunch of great pics from homebrewer growing serious seeds strains. so ya theirs better than tga but sure you can find great phenos in their shit but you can find great phenos in a cross you make at home with a good mother and father plant. I did great with outdoor seeds from a canadian grower who did just that when I was 17 but it wasn't my first outdoor grow my first was at 14. I don't hate tga though their just trying to make money but I'm not interested in buying any of their crosses wich all cost about the same as a lot of top breeders trademark strains.

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bluntmassa1 said:

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chadster152 said:

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got it finally don't know why that happend twice I've posted pics the same way a few times with no problems.

Whats the point of fighting over this? It is obvious that some people live and breathe TGA while some people don't. To each their own. There is no point to bash on someone for simply expressing their opinion. Bluntmassa1 obviously is one of the people who do not dig on TGA and the rest of you bashing him for answering my questions with his opinions do dig on TGA...Now whether Subcool is a "pollen chucker" or a "breeder" is besides the point...i could care less if he was a mythical unicorn with rainbows shooting out of his ass...i was asking about his strains and only his strains. I simply wanted to know what people thought about the strains and if the hermie and pheno variations i have heard and read about were true or if they are just over exaggerated. Now their seems to be enough people that are in love with TGA strains for me to consider them legit...and there are also enough people complaining about nanners and pheno hunting for those complaints to also be legit. Regardless of what anyone says here, i'm gonna make up my own mind about TGA after i try a strain or two (im thinking JTR ) so if you want to bash on someone simply for expressing their opinion, please go measure your dick elsewhere.

Chadster152

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Now that is beautiful.