Tags High Efficiency Lighting Garden

PICOGRAV said:

Are there local dispensaries you can check out? If there vendors are local too you might be able to get something good from there, at least you will truly know where they came from?

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Lot's of people don't have dispensaries to go into that have 100 cuts of 10 different varieties. So good reliable beans with majority of uniformal keepers makes a difference. As where in places like CA, one keeper pheno will be cloned and the whole state is growing the same cut.

I have access to plenty of clones so they are my usual choice. But making sure they are from a reliable(true keeper genetics and healthy) source is very important. I almost got afghani#1 clones while the vendor was bringing them in. They were super healthy and looked great. But then he is telling us he doesn't smoke and hasn't even grown it out. I put them back and left.

PetFlora said:

Was flipping through an old Skunk mag an saw Mandala Seeds Satori. Seems like a terrific strain. Anybody familiar or know something comparable?

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Looks nice. Wonder women by nirvana is one of the best beans I ever had. I have grown way more clones than beans. But I have a big bean stash now days.

natro.hydro said:

Ya that definition of perennial they give is a fucking joke, not to mention you have to have a male around to pollinate, or are they taking the interesting spin on things that you want to herm... Then they say it is an autoflower, which is it a perennial or a plant with quick exp. date?
Tags, no love for serious seeds? have heard good things about their kali mist, and the warlock.

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Those are both great strains. I have some pre 2000 Kali mist beans. And warlock is their prized super skunk. But all back in the day and not as good anymore from what I hear. Ak 47 is in history as great but no one will grow it now because it's not as good any more. If any of the parents are not the original or a clone of...then a strain will never be the same and should have a different name IMO.

I wonder if things are actually not as good anymore or the new stuff that it's compared to is just that much better?

Hey tags, and everyone out there!

Tags you have been a great source, and person to reference so far, i enjoy your thread, and insight you share, and you helped me with that ballast issue i had a while ago, much appreciated, I just started my first journal for RIU, I have a small setup going, 600w mh/hps , hempy buckets 2 gallons, Main lined plants, starting to shape real well in veg, anybody who wants to take a peek or sub for the ride come along everyone is welcome

I didn't wanna bomb the whole thread with pics, but i just uploaded them here : https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/731275-fjgs-hempy-main-lined-grow.html

Happy growing!

So the final numbers on the Indagro are in... 284g of grade A nuggets.

Simple Way(Indagro)...
284g/465w=0.61g/w

Real Way(Indagro)...
VEG: 18hr x 26days x .420kW x $.3/kWh = $58.97(196.56 kWh used)
FLOWER: 12hr x 65days x.465kW x $.3/kWh = $108.81(362.7 kWh used)
Total: 559.26 kWh used to produce 284g(.57g/kWh)...or $167.78 to produce the 284g($0.59/g)

If I were not testing the IG's abilities to see what it could do, I would have ran less wattage for veg and saved on the total more(Or if I vegged the hps grow with the hps instead of the AT's you would see higher total numbers). Looking at strictly flower compare to the same strain under hps, the IG did very well and out performed the hps like I thought it was going to. I would imaging just like any lighting system there would be an addition boost from running multiple lights if I had more like I did for the hps.

Simple Way(600HPs)...
990g/1800w=.55g/w

Real Way(HPS)...
VEG: 24hr x 38days x .474kW x $.3/kWh = $129.69(432.29kWh)
FLOWER: 12hr x 62days x 1.8kW x $.3/kWh =$401.76(1449.2kWh)
Total: 1881.5kWh used to produce 990g(.52g/kWh)...or $531.45 to produce the 990g($0.54/g)

I like the way you boil it down to the real g/w (total used throughout grow) gives you a better idea than just weight divided by light usage.... might have to adopt this system when I go to report my harvest. Although like you said for the hps if it had to veg them under MH or HPS would have been a lil bit higher kWs used. Weird that the IG used less electricity and got more g/w but still cost a lil more per gram to operate, this does not appear to include cooling costs though and I am sure that would even a the field a lil, not to bust your chops bout the math lol just saying

Tags that's a pretty good yield for only 26 day veg and especially for 1 gal pots.

Nice haul for your first indagro run. How about some bud porn?

natro.hydro said:

I like the way you boil it down to the real g/w (total used throughout grow) gives you a better idea than just weight divided by light usage.... might have to adopt this system when I go to report my harvest. Although like you said for the hps if it had to veg them under MH or HPS would have been a lil bit higher kWs used. Weird that the IG used less electricity and got more g/w but still cost a lil more per gram to operate, this does not appear to include cooling costs though and I am sure that would even a the field a lil, not to bust your chops bout the math lol just saying

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I like to break it down like that because it shows exactly what it cost ing lighting for the whole run. But it doesn't count the fact hat the hps needed more cooling like you noted.
The reason for the hps being slightly lower in total operating cost is because the how/what they were vegged with. For the 1800w of hps(three 4x4 spaces) I only used 3 at120's(474w total) to veg it all. As where with the Indagro I used almost the same wattage(420w) for just the one 4x4 as I did for all three 4x4's of hps(474w) during veg.
That's why I said when looking strictly at flower the IG was better. When doing it again I will use just 1 AT120 to veg each 4x4 like I usually do, then the IG stats would go up more. But I wanted to see how well the IG worked in veg too, so I used it even though it was more than I needed maybe.

hyroot said:

Tags that's a pretty good yield for only 26 day veg and especially for 1 gal pots.

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I agree, I'm totally satisfied. There were many things holding the IG girls back and working against them(shorter veg, 1gal's, spaced too far/not totally under light, minimal feeding). As compare to the hps, that had almost everything in their favor. Plus the strain is a record low yielder to begin.

puffenuff said:

Nice haul for your first indagro run. How about some bud porn?

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Thank man. It's Greengene stash now, so next time I see him I'll get some nug shots. I already burned what he gave me.

To what size pots are using in the at660 video a couple pages back. I'm thinking of stepping down pot size if I'm going to be stuck with t5 for a min. Doing more plants. I have 6 clones and 1 seed going good. 4 more clones rooting. 6 seeds just sprouted. Do 15 or 16 2-3 ft plants. Instead of 8 or 9 5ft tall plants. I already have a bunch of 3 and 2 gal plastic pots. But I'm probably going to spend the rest of my money on some root pouch 3 gal fabric pots. $2 a pot after shipping. Sorry for the ramble. You know how it is . Constantly thinking of ways of doing things differently.

Hey buddy. I am using one liter Air Pots in my LED tent. The plants are 'smaller', but most likely due to only having 115w + these are F2s with broad range of pheno expressions. When I had Sophia in the led tent she grew on a par (no pun intended) with Melanie in my HOT5 tent

hyroot said:

To what size pots are using in the at660 video a couple pages back. I'm thinking of stepping down pot size if I'm going to be stuck with t5 for a min. Doing more plants. I have 6 clones and 1 seed going good. 4 more clones rooting. 6 seeds just sprouted. Do 15 or 16 2-3 ft plants. Instead of 8 or 9 5ft tall plants. I already have a bunch of 3 and 2 gal plastic pots. But I'm probably going to spend the rest of my money on some root pouch 3 gal fabric pots. $2 a pot after shipping. Sorry for the ramble. You know how it is . Constantly thinking of ways of doing things differently.

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hyroot said:

To what size pots are using in the at660 video a couple pages back. I'm thinking of stepping down pot size if I'm going to be stuck with t5 for a min. Doing more plants. I have 6 clones and 1 seed going good. 4 more clones rooting. 6 seeds just sprouted. Do 15 or 16 2-3 ft plants. Instead of 8 or 9 5ft tall plants. I already have a bunch of 3 and 2 gal plastic pots. But I'm probably going to spend the rest of my money on some root pouch 3 gal fabric pots. $2 a pot after shipping. Sorry for the ramble. You know how it is . Constantly thinking of ways of doing things differently.

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Those were the jilly's under the at660 for just their 5 days. They were in 3g normal plastic pots, and that's what I have mostly ran for years getting about 2+oz/plant. But now I am liking fabrics a lot. I have used them outdoors but now they are economical indoors too. I have used many different brands. The cheaper ones are usually just thinner so water more careful.

You will do well with more smaller and even plants than the big beasters. I like having an even canopy no matter what size plants or type of lights...but it's definitely a must do for T5's and most led's.

My next run will be 9plants/4x4 in 3gals scrogged to really fill it tight yet even. Also one plant will be in a 5gal to test the difference. Veg as long as necessary to fill the screen. Maybe clone style mainlined to 16 heads each.

If you are going to be scrogging in 3 gals. You should definitely do some barley seed sprout teas and compost teas. To keep the roots healthy and prevent root bounding. The barley seed sprout teas produce more enzymes than anything.


I have a few 7 gal root pouch and smart pots. Pretty much exactly the same in material. The viagrowtm ones are the thin ones. Durable but water goes out the sides like air pots. The root pouches retain water as well as smart pots.

hyroot said:

If you are going to be scrogging in 3 gals. You should definitely do some barley seed sprout teas and compost teas. To keep the roots healthy and prevent root bounding. The barley seed sprout teas produce more enzymes than anything.

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I have been thinking of going all 5gal just so they have all they need. I will have some SS mixed up. And be using teas. The plan is still subject to change. I will fill you guys in later once I'm done with remodeling. I have some normal home projects to do before I get the grow going.

I have seen a few of you guys on youtube watching farmerjohn. I have lost some respect...he's kind of selling out. He is just doing what they(lush) tells him. No knowledge about light and photosynthesis, I thought he was a educated stoner/grower, but I guess not so much. What do you guys think.

Just started to watch farmer john not to long ago, never been bowing at dudes feet but he is still a good grower in his own roght, trying to watch the old stuff and work my way up to new ones. based.on his early vids he was not exactly a wealth of knowledge though, not a huge fan of anyone who is a big supporter of AN, dont get me wrong they have SOME good products but by far it seems like one product they sell van be replaced by anpther product they sell with lil to no difference in plant growth. so entertaining yes but i didnt start watching em for the info just like sime weed related entertainment from time to time.

Tags i saw all your posts on farmer john. I liked him for his hash making skills. I haven't seen much of his grows. Mostly lighting up the walk way with those e-shines, I mean lush panels is plain stupid... I'm not going to talk shit on there. I almost think he just works the garden. The garden is not his.. On a few eps back on weed nerds, he says he makes his money as a hash maker..... So he may not know much about growing . Just what he is told to do.

If you are going to sell out to a company then sell out to a good company..... hint hint who wants to sponsor me.....lmao

Exactly. When I started watching him he was making great hash. But didn't really have his own grow going on. Now that he is a official tga member I started watching regular. But it's like a commercial. Just a bummer to see. But as long as it's just supplemental those rebranded e-shines(lush), will do what he is looking for.

Lush used to be around the farm. He was the most uneducated person in general about led's. I couldn't believe that he was the owner. HE was making outrageous claims and arguing then got banned.

tags420 said:

I have seen a few of you guys on youtube watching farmerjohn. I have lost some respect...he's kind of selling out. He is just doing what they(lush) tells him. No knowledge about light and photosynthesis, I thought he was a educated stoner/grower, but I guess not so much. What do you guys think.

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I have no comment on his growing skills.....Just another good MH/HPS grower in a sea of thousands...hmmmm i guess i do have a comment

I think its a shame that because Farmerjohn is using Lushlighting...sponsored or not...The monkeys will follow. Not the best advertisement for the LED industry...and they will be the 1st to complain that LED's suck...

And Lushlighting getting on their moral highhorse then telling lies to the minions....that is what really fucks me off (and what i have commented on):

''Farmer John donates much of his time and medication to others that are in need. He helps other people, so we honor the opportunity to sponsor his efforts. As for Lush LED's. These are American grow lights. Engineering, R&D, customer service, warranty, it is all done here in Michigan. Assembly is in China but with the best components from around the world. Lush Light fuels photosynthesis for cannabis. The benefit is healthier plants of more value. Growth rates, density, resin, potency all go up!''

Lush Light fuels photosynthesis for cannabis. The benefit is healthier plants of more value. Growth rates, density, resin, potency all go up!''

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Growth rates go up from what? 1000 watt HID?

Somebody outta advise Farmer John that it's going to be statements like that which will hurt his credibility. Let the plants speak for themselves FJ. Selling out to any company for short term profit when they can't support these statements with the real garden numbers makes FJ guilty by association. It's also statements like this one that hurts the work that many legitimate LED companies have worked hard to honestly promote what their products can bring to your garden by putting their numbers up.

Chronikool said:

''Farmer John donates much of his time and medication to others that are in need. He helps other people, so we honor the opportunity to sponsor his efforts. As for Lush LED's. These are American grow lights. Engineering, R&D, customer service, warranty, it is all done here in Michigan. Assembly is in China but with the best components from around the world. Lush Light fuels photosynthesis for cannabis. The benefit is healthier plants of more value. Growth rates, density, resin, potency all go up!''

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I'm not up on this Farmer john, but this part sounds like corporate mundane commercial talk...

In one sentence he contradicts himself,

it is all done here in Michigan. Assembly is in china but...

but china has no quality control, or oversight standards