Standing O..Bernie Sanders!

Padawanbater2 · Nov 11, 2015

Rob Roy said:
How come Bernie voted for the "defense" budget? The one where the Pentagon has billions "missing" and the one where the Pentagon refuses to be audited. The budget that assures continuation worldwide occupation and death by the Empire.

No Bernie Sanders zombies seem able to answer why they support a status quo chicken hawk candidate...I wonder why.

How can anyone except Bernie Sanders accurately answer that?

Like I told you before, I believe he voted for it because he knew troops were going to be sent in harms way regardless of his vote, majority opinion and all that bullshit, so he would rather fund what they need in order to survive the conflict and return home safely than cut the funding required to pay for the things that would protect them in combat just to make some unconsequential political points. That's what I'd guess anyway..

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
How can anyone except Bernie Sanders accurately answer that?

Like I told you before, I believe he voted for it because he knew troops were going to be sent in harms way regardless of his vote, majority opinion and all that bullshit, so he would rather fund what they need in order to survive the conflict and return home safely than cut the funding required to pay for the things that would protect them in combat just to make some unconsequential political points. That's what I'd guess anyway..

Sounds like the twisted rational used by the fourth guy in line at a gang rape.

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
How can anyone except Bernie Sanders accurately answer that?

Like I told you before, I believe he voted for it because he knew troops were going to be sent in harms way regardless of his vote, majority opinion and all that bullshit, so he would rather fund what they need in order to survive the conflict and return home safely than cut the funding required to pay for the things that would protect them in combat just to make some unconsequential political points. That's what I'd guess anyway..

Review of Christopher Kelly and Stuart Laycock, America Invades: How We’ve Invaded or Been Militarily Involved with Almost Every Country on Earth (Book Publishers Network, 2014), xix + 396 pgs., hardcover.

The song “America the Beautiful” should be changed to “America the Invader.”

According to Christopher Kelly and Stuart Laycock, the United States “has invaded or fought in eighty-four out of 194 countries” and “has had some form of military involvement with a spectacular 191 out of 194.” Their findings are published in the appropriately titled America Invades: How We’ve Invaded or Been Militarily Involved with Almost Every Country on Earth.

Padawanbater2 · Nov 11, 2015

Rob Roy said:
Review of Christopher Kelly and Stuart Laycock, America Invades: How We’ve Invaded or Been Militarily Involved with Almost Every Country on Earth (Book Publishers Network, 2014), xix + 396 pgs., hardcover.

The song “America the Beautiful” should be changed to “America the Invader.”

According to Christopher Kelly and Stuart Laycock, the United States “has invaded or fought in eighty-four out of 194 countries” and “has had some form of military involvement with a spectacular 191 out of 194.” Their findings are published in the appropriately titled America Invades: How We’ve Invaded or Been Militarily Involved with Almost Every Country on Earth.

Yeah, that's fucked up. I don't support the military industrial complex, and neither does Sanders, regardless of your belief he does based on his vote to fund the troops fighting in the Iraq war

If you were in his position, would you vote to defund the war, even though you know it won't amount to ending the war, it would only amount to more attacks against you politically, or vote to fund it, knowing it will be funded anyway, with or without your vote?

Politics is an art, just like negotiation and economics. It's not an exact science like math and physics. You're holding Sanders to a black and white standard while dismissing the necessary gray area required for compromise and progress.

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
Yeah, that's fucked up. I don't support the military industrial complex, and neither does Sanders, regardless of your belief he does based on his vote to fund the troops fighting in the Iraq war

If you were in his position, would you vote to defund the war, even though you know it won't amount to ending the war, it would only amount to more attacks against you politically, or vote to fund it, knowing it will be funded anyway, with or without your vote?

Politics is an art, just like negotiation and economics. It's not an exact science like math and physics. You're holding Sanders to a black and white standard while dismissing the necessary gray area required for compromise and progress.

Actually Sanders DOES support the military industrial complex. He voted to fund it.

Politics is a way to steal money and jail people or kill them if they don't pick cotton fast enough.

I would NEVER be in Bernie Sanders position. I have no desire to run others lives via threats. Weren't you just advocating talking reality?

Padawanbater2 · Nov 11, 2015

Rob Roy said:
Actually Sanders DOES support the military industrial complex. He voted to fund it.

Politics is a way to steal money and jail people or kill them if they don't pick cotton fast enough.

I would NEVER be in Bernie Sanders position. I have no desire to run others lives via threats. Weren't you just advocating talking reality?

Well here we are, just like I said.. You say he voted to fund the military industrial complex, I say he voted to fund the troops fighting the war. You're going to believe what you want regardless of the evidence, so scratch this point off your list, we're not going to agree.

Politics is a way to organize a government, a government is necessary to organize a society, a society is necessary to organize civilization, and with or without the one we have now, we will always have some form of government to structure society.

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
Well here we are, just like I said.. You say he voted to fund the military industrial complex, I say he voted to fund the troops fighting the war. You're going to believe what you want regardless of the evidence, so scratch this point off your list, we're not going to agree.

Politics is a way to organize a government, a government is necessary to organize a society, a society is necessary to organize civilization, and with or without the one we have now, we will always have some form of government to structure society.

Your inability to recognize a truth, doesn't make the truth invalid. Bernie voted to fund the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
Your rationalization and avoidance of that won't change it.

Nearly all politics is a way to FORCIBLY organize human livestock. The only force necessary is the force used to repel an offensive action against somebody.

The nature of government, organized via force systemically, points out that as an institution, government arises FROM force, UNLESS it is a government wherein the participants as individuals participate on a voluntary basis.

Panarchy and voluntaryism come to mind as examples of governance which DO NOT arise from offensive (illegitimate) force.

Bernie has alot in common tactically with a rapist.

Padawanbater2 · Nov 11, 2015

Rob Roy said:
Your inability to recognize a truth, doesn't make the truth invalid. Bernie voted to fund the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
Your rationalization and avoidance of that won't change it.

My "ability to recognize the truth" is equally as valid as yours is, so why do you think you automatically get to call victory in recognizing "the truth"? There's nothing in this conversation that makes you right and me wrong except your belief

Rob Roy said:
Nearly all politics is a way to FORCIBLY organize human livestock. The only force necessary is the force used to repel an offensive action against somebody.

Like you trying to live rent free in my apartment? Would you call that a "forcible action" against me?

Rob Roy said:
The nature of government, organized via force systemically, points out that as an institution, government arises FROM force, UNLESS it is a government wherein the participants as individuals participate on a voluntary basis.

Have you found the wall keeping you in yet? Where is it?

Rob Roy said:
Panarchy and voluntaryism come to mind as examples of governance which DO NOT arise from offensive (illegitimate) force.

Bernie has alot in common tactically with a rapist.

What kind of rapist shows you the open door to leave if that's what you want?

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
My "ability to recognize the truth" is equally as valid as yours is, so why do you think you automatically get to call victory in recognizing "the truth"? There's nothing in this conversation that makes you right and me wrong except your belief

Like you trying to live rent free in my apartment? Would you call that a "forcible action" against me?

Have you found the wall keeping you in yet? Where is it?

What kind of rapist shows you the open door to leave if that's what you want?

Bernie DID vote to fund the empire and the military industrial complex. You have tried hard to obfuscate and run from that. You can believe in something different if you like, but the fact is your belief would then be inaccurate.

Not one Bernie zombie here has answered why they support a status quo Empire protecting thug. Bernie supports EMPIRE, period. He voted for it.

He's a tool, just like all the rest of the false dichotomous "choices".

I believe I'll get more coffee and roll a joint now.

schuylaar · Nov 11, 2015

desert dude said:
Is Hillary the only SoS in history to have no classified correspondence? More than 30,000 emails deleted because they were "private". LOL.

If Hillary is not indicted, it will be another blow to the rule of law in the US. One set of laws for the peons, no laws for royalty.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-signed-nda-laying-out-criminal-penalties-for-mishandling-of-classified-info/

The NDA signed by Hillary:
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HRC-SCI-NDA1.pdf

How many SOS's have had technology?

This shit gets made up as they go.

A millennial witch hunt desertdumdum<hug>

pop22 · Nov 11, 2015

Ahh, so you prefer anarchy.... Good luck with that. and with the current state of affairs in the USA, you may just get your wish. We are teetering in the brink of revolution and its wishful thinking to feel it can't happen. We can only hope change can/will occur and prevent that. don't like being called Blue, so I won't hold my breath.........

and I just love all the talk about Bernie from people who have no clue who he is, or what he truly stands for.
So if you feel there is a better choice in the race, put your money where your mouth is, VOTE! If you don't YOU have no right to bitch about anything!

Rob Roy said:
Actually Sanders DOES support the military industrial complex. He voted to fund it.

Politics is a way to steal money and jail people or kill them if they don't pick cotton fast enough.

I would NEVER be in Bernie Sanders position. I have no desire to run others lives via threats. Weren't you just advocating talking reality?

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

pop22 said:
Ahh, so you prefer anarchy.... Good luck with that. and with the current state of affairs in the USA, you may just get your wish. We are teetering in the brink of revolution and its wishful thinking to feel it can't happen. We can only hope change can/will occur and prevent that. don't like being called Blue, so I won't hold my breath.........

and I just love all the talk about Bernie from people who have no clue who he is, or what he truly stands for.
So if you feel there is a better choice in the race, put your money where your mouth is, VOTE! If you don't YOU have no right to bitch about anything!

Grandpapy · Nov 11, 2015

Rob Roy said:

Because Canada ask for protection.....

schuylaar · Nov 11, 2015

FauxRoux said:
The law of civilization and decay gives a republic democracy about 300 years before it becomes so inhearantly corrupt from the top down it ceases to function.

We have clearly hit that point.

You want your voice to mean shit again? Then push for a system where campaigns are federally funded with 0% private interest money. Completely even keel.

Obviously this is an oversimplification of an immensely complicated series of problems. But its where we need to start. Without politicians that can act from a place of integrity no real change can begin.

Otherwise we will stay the economic oligarchy we are today.

Standing O :clap:

With 'proof of life' a requirement :wink:

..dem services require dem votes..shouldn't repukes and non voting be pulling themselves by their own bootstraps..?

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

Grandpapy said:
Because Canada ask for protection.....

About a million of these with a gross of hockey sticks should keep those Canadians occupied and protected....

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

pop22 said:
Ahh, so you prefer anarchy.... Good luck with that. and with the current state of affairs in the USA, you may just get your wish. We are teetering in the brink of revolution and its wishful thinking to feel it can't happen. We can only hope change can/will occur and prevent that. don't like being called Blue, so I won't hold my breath.........

and I just love all the talk about Bernie from people who have no clue who he is, or what he truly stands for.
So if you feel there is a better choice in the race, put your money where your mouth is, VOTE! If you don't YOU have no right to bitch about anything!

Sometime we should argue about false dichotomies. Until then have a great day.

Grandpapy · Nov 11, 2015

Rob Roy said:
About a million of these with a gross of hockey sticks should keep those Canadians occupied and protected....

And come the next vote you will figure out you forgot the lube and will lobby to cut school funding for your Greatest Show on Earth.

Come on Rob, you know how this works.

Rob Roy · Nov 11, 2015

Grandpapy said:
And come the next vote you will figure out you forgot the lube and will lobby to cut school funding for your Greatest Show on Earth.

Come on Rob, you know how this works.

Forcible confiscation of other peoples property is bad whether lube is used or not.

I want everyone to run their own show, but not others. That would be great, here on earth.

schuylaar · Nov 11, 2015

Corso312 said:
Just got home n missed the debates..did Jeb! Get pantsed again? Please say yes

Whoa! I totally forgot about it..Just caught the first episode of Walking Dead season 6 and am speechless.

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