Soil Food Web Gardening with Compost Teas

trichome fiend

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I believe ya can do with a 300x but not positive.

Don't know how to post links but this is a very good site......www.microbeorganics.com
.. the authors of "Teaming with Microbes" said in the bacteria, fungi chapters...that it's mostly lucky pupils of biology classes that get to utilize the high power scopes that's needed, idk, I'll scan through the book when I get the chance for the intensity needed...I'll let ya know.
 

soulglow

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hello trichome im on the same page here, started with fox farm(ocean forrest) and roots organic been reading more and more about it and started my first tea today, so 5 gallon clear water jug two air stones and i added a handful in a paint can strainer of EWC from a bag 1-0-0(making my worm box tomorrow)and 30ml of thrive-alive organic and barbados unsulphured molasses. is any of this not good to use??????
thank you 4 ur time
 

undark

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My ladies love the tea I brew for them..

For a 5 gallon brew:

Start with distilled, rain, or RO water. Chlorine/chloramine will kill the microlife.
1 cup bird or bat guano
1 tbl liquid seaweed
1 tsp unsulphured blackstrap molasses
then brew for 24 hours

next day i add
1 cup earthworm castings
1/2 cup all-purpose 5-5-5 (happy frog organic fert)
1 tsp unsulphured blackstrap molasses
brew for another 24 hours

Foliar spray and soil drench.

If you are making teas with EWC you should have all the fungi and bacteria you need.
 

trichome fiend

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hello trichome im on the same page here, started with fox farm(ocean forrest) and roots organic been reading more and more about it and started my first tea today, so 5 gallon clear water jug two air stones and i added a handful in a paint can strainer of EWC from a bag 1-0-0(making my worm box tomorrow)and 30ml of thrive-alive organic and barbados unsulphured molasses. is any of this not good to use??????
thank you 4 ur time
...sounds like your off to a good start bro! ...I think you'll do great with what you've listed. :)
 

mrduke

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where do you'll get your EWC I spent like 2 hours yesterday going to all the box stores and a few local garden shops? do they have 'em at most hydro stores?
 

Dankster4Life

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Yes you should find them at the hydro shops.usually around $7-8 for a 5 pd sac up to like $40 for a 40 pd sac.Give or take here and there on the prices.

Have you given worm farms any thought?
 

mrduke

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yeah i thought about a farm but that just one more thing to deal with, and for 5-10 buck that will last a month or two it seems like to much hassle
 

Dankster4Life

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Check youtube bro.....you'll see there isn't really any hassle at all.Get it established and you get FREE fresh castings.And notice i said FRESH.When i started usin castings i didn't use a bunch either.....but it didn't take long to see and i was usin more of it.Running out of castings for me is like runnin outa gs in da desert!,it sucks and i'm PISSED!
 

soulglow

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where do you'll get your EWC I spent like 2 hours yesterday going to all the box stores and a few local garden shops? do they have 'em at most hydro stores?
dude make ur own thats what im going to start doing in a worm box because the EWC you may get at a store may be really dry, i was lucky the hydro shop by the house has really fresh(at least moist) EWC but im trying to cut costs and not buy it. it takes like 4 to 6 weeks for your worm box to make useable EWC. here is a link to a vid that uses two plastic tubes so you cant of water because all the excesses water runs out the hole drilled in the bottom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxhEQEA0GN8, and get the worms out of the back yard.

This is for fiend, how many worms should i start with in a 28g roughneck bin????
 

PakaloloHui

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After reading the entire book that you have linked for us, what boggles my mind is, How does Advanced Nutrients Organic Products work so well with their non-Organic products or is it just their marketing scheme. I watch video's on yoyube all day long and see guys using their line-up and getting massive results. After reading the book, wouldn't sensizyme, nirvana, tarantula, piranha, voodoo juice,, and other organic microbe products be completely useless and killed off when mixed with their base nutes of Grow, Micro, Bloom, Sensi Grow/Bloom A & B, Connoisseur, and or would the Organic products also be wiped out from their Big Bud, Overdrive, B-52, Carbolaods, Bud Candy, Bud Ignitor, Bud Factor X, or any other salted nute addative???

I am just using them for an example because that is what I see on the tube and that is what they use and get huge yields, frosty, tasty smelling meds.

I personally am just curious about this. Tea's, compost, guano's, microbes all the way, but is it really working together for them, or is the salts killing their good organic microbes and enzymes, that seem to help them to get big roots, too???
 

trichome fiend

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....from what I understand, if the "organics" are in a bottle, the microorganisms are anaerobic....or mostly dead. Compost tea provides you with aerobic microbes, alive...microbes support the soil food web....this may sounds vague, but if you read the whole book here, you should understand... it was explained.
 

Wolverine97

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....from what I understand, if the "organics" are in a bottle, the microorganisms are anarobic....or dead. Compost tea provides you with arobic microbes, alive...microbes support the soil food web....this may sounds vague, but if you read the whole book here, you should understand... it was explained.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but you should get your terminology straight before talking like you know these things.
 

PakaloloHui

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I do understand the whole book, but if you add all AN good microbes and then their salty ones they should DIE according to the book, or any other info. out their saying mixing A Non-Organic Nitrogen solution (Nitrate Based) to your plants that you were feeding VOODOO, TARANTULA, PIRANHA, NIRVANA, SENZIZYME, which are all your bacteria, fungi, mychro's, trich's, enzymes and so forth that you tried so hard to Populate???

That was what I don't get is the shit works when used in AN full lineup using both Organic and Non solutions, from what I have been watching. Remember AN is just a example.

Maybe wolverine could answer this or I think I will also forward this to Heisenburg's thread: Brewing your own beneficials or something close to this.
 

elduece

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....from what I understand, if the "organics" are in a bottle, the microorganisms are anarobic....or dead. Compost tea provides you with arobic microbes, alive...microbes support the soil food web....this may sounds vague, but if you read the whole book here, you should understand... it was explained.
oh nevermind
 

soulglow

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After reading the entire book that you have linked for us, what boggles my mind is, How does Advanced Nutrients Organic Products work so well with their non-Organic products or is it just their marketing scheme. I watch video's on yoyube all day long and see guys using their line-up and getting massive results. After reading the book, wouldn't sensizyme, nirvana, tarantula, piranha, voodoo juice,, and other organic microbe products be completely useless and killed off when mixed with their base nutes of Grow, Micro, Bloom, Sensi Grow/Bloom A & B, Connoisseur, and or would the Organic products also be wiped out from their Big Bud, Overdrive, B-52, Carbolaods, Bud Candy, Bud Ignitor, Bud Factor X, or any other salted nute addative???

I am just using them for an example because that is what I see on the tube and that is what they use and get huge yields, frosty, tasty smelling meds.

I personally am just curious about this. Tea's, compost, guano's, microbes all the way, but is it really working together for them, or is the salts killing their good organic microbes and enzymes, that seem to help them to get big roots, too???
it does kill some of them but all of them, i had problems with AN and AN says to change resi every week and adding carbo load every few days to keep the fungi and bacteria alive. my problem was i did not have enuf money to keep on buying AN's line.
 

trichome fiend

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I'm not trying to be a dick, but you should get your terminology straight before talking like you know these things.
...would you like to enlighten me on your commet here? ...or did you just want to say your opinion, or you have facts? ...not being a dick, but can you prove otherwise?.....or was you try'n to be da grammer police?

...life diminishes rapidly without oxygen, true?
 

PakaloloHui

Active Member
Heisenburg has also confirmed that some of the bennies would be killed off but not all, thanks soul glow. I plan on using all organic tea's I was just wanting to learn more about the do's and dont's, what you can and can't do, what to add and not add.

So what I learned from my question is that these guys are getting great results mostly from the synthetics and they are still getting help from their Organic microbial, bacterial, fungal, enzymatic products as well eventhough some are killed off when used.

So maybe adding a little additive here and there to your blooming fruits would not then kill off all the good Bennies that we worked so hard to feed and grow from using compost's, tea's, guano's, wormcastings, and other organic material foods and additives.
With these synthetic additives that if used would be the cause of their yields but then maybe sacrificing a little natural taste and flavor, yet giving a nice taste and flavor, but not as smooth.

So basically I will stay away from their products and if maybe if affordable one day try to get some of their 100% Organic microbes to add to some tea's or watering if mine aren't up to par. I will never add any type of synthetic, ever.

Thanks for the discussiona and the answers:)
 

trichome fiend

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Heisenburg has also confirmed that some of the bennies would be killed off but not all, thanks soul glow. I plan on using all organic tea's I was just wanting to learn more about the do's and dont's, what you can and can't do, what to add and not add.

So what I learned from my question is that these guys are getting great results mostly from the synthetics and they are still getting help from their Organic microbial, bacterial, fungal, enzymatic products as well eventhough some are killed off when used.

So maybe adding a little additive here and there to your blooming fruits would not then kill off all the good Bennies that we worked so hard to feed and grow from using compost's, tea's, guano's, wormcastings, and other organic material foods and additives.
With these synthetic additives that if used would be the cause of their yields but then maybe sacrificing a little natural taste and flavor, yet giving a nice taste and flavor, but not as smooth.

So basically I will stay away from their products and if maybe if affordable one day try to get some of their 100% Organic microbes to add to some tea's or watering if mine aren't up to par. I will never add any type of synthetic, ever.

Thanks for the discussion and the answers:)
...awesome man....exactly why I started this thread (+rep), hopefully someone besides the grammer police will show to share their thoughts on the subject as well.
 
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