So you think you deserve $15/hr. at Mc-Donald's? Meet your replacement.

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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bu$hleaguer said:
No, you asked this:

and I said I haven't a clue, because I really don't know. I'm sure people would still eat at mcdonalds but not if the costs of the burger go up too much, or if the wait is really long now because they have less employees.
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how much would it go up?

wages are triple in denmark and the big mac is only 40 cents more.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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bu$hleaguer said:
It's just that it's not as easy as that in my eyes. If you don't personally have a payroll and spend your hard earned money on employees to run your business, how could you possibly form an opinion as to how someone who does should spend their money?

I happen to, and know that it's not as simple as saying "it'll come back, don't worry."

They should make it a tiered system or something, to make it fair. Businesses with a certain amount of profit have to pay their employees x. Those below pay x-1 minimum. Those over pay x+1 minimum. I don't know, it's just super unfair when profit margins are so fucking slim for some like myself.
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And this is the basic argument for ending subsidies and artificial limits across the board, with exceptions for environmental protection. Logging, fishing and other natural resources need to be carefully managed for the long term. Government is the logical choice to manage this.

Turns out the Japanese have a centuries old tradition that dates from feudal Times that's an excellent model for forestry management. For example.

I completely agree that you deserve a level playing field upon which to compete. The trouble is that in today's landscape, those who don't lobby (bribe government to act in your interest instead of someone else's) are automatically at a disadvantage.

Soooooo... I propose we change the system. Elect Bernie Sanders!
 
bu$hleaguer

bu$hleaguer

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UncleBuck said:
think of how it is for someone who works 55 hours a week and can't even afford rent.
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Yeah, but that's not McDonald's job. They're not the employees mom. They exist to make fucking burgers, not to put a roof over little Jane's head, right? Why do people assume that it's the job of the employer to make a good life for the employee? That's silly. It's the job of the individual to live within their means and to do whatever they need to do to live the way they want to live, right?
 
AquariusPanta

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UncleBuck said:
good thing a big mac is only $0.40 more, despite the min wage being $20.

and no massive unemployment either, despite your claims.
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You must have a piss-poor memory, because I made it clear earlier that the cost of going to restaurants was over 60%, which includes Mickie Dees and Bking, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that a big mac only costs $0.40 more to burgers here in the USA; 'Show me deh evidence'.

You may be the biggest douche bag I've met here at RIU.

Moving on..
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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bu$hleaguer said:
Yeah, but that's not McDonald's job. They're not the employees mom. They exist to make fucking burgers, not to put a roof over little Jane's head, right? Why do people assume that it's the job of the employer to make a good life for the employee? That's silly. It's the job of the individual to live within their means and to do whatever they need to do to live the way they want to live, right?
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Really? Why not? McDonald's expects their workers to basically run their life around being an employee, I definitely think McDonald's can damn well pay a fair and living wage.

Again: WHY NOT? Do these people deserve less? Are they by definition stupid, and thus not worthy of getting a fair return on their investment of time? Where does it end?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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bu$hleaguer said:
Yeah, but that's not McDonald's job. They're not the employees mom. They exist to make fucking burgers, not to put a roof over little Jane's head, right? Why do people assume that it's the job of the employer to make a good life for the employee? That's silly. It's the job of the individual to live within their means and to do whatever they need to do to live the way they want to live, right?
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why do you assume that it is your right to exist as a business if you can't even provide a livable wage for your employee?

the world does not exist so that you can have an ice cream bar.

your sense of entitlement is out of hand.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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ttystikk said:
Really? Why not? McDonald's expects their workers to basically run their life around being an employee, I definitely think McDonald's can damn well pay a fair and living wage.

Again: WHY NOT? Do these people deserve less? Are they by definition stupid, and thus not worthy of getting a fair return on their investment of time? Where does it end?
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Because it's a business - the first rule of business is to make profit. Businesses aren't required to give a fuck about what you think is and isn't fair.

Moral of discussion: if you don't agree with something, don't fucking support it. Simple.

Moving on..
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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AquariusPanta said:
You must have a piss-poor memory, because I made it clear earlier that the cost of going to restaurants was over 60%, which includes Mickie Dees and Bking, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that a big mac only costs $0.40 more to burgers here in the USA; 'Show me deh evidence'.

You may be the biggest douche bag I've met here at RIU.

Moving on..
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i was slightly wrong, it's $0.59 more now.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/

australia has cheaper big macs than we do, and their min wage is more than twice what ours is.

and no massive unemployment.
 
UncleBuck

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AquariusPanta said:
Businesses aren't required to give a fuck about what you think is and isn't fair.
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actually, they are. hence why we have safety standards and minimum wages and things like that.

ya know, so that we don't have a repeat of the triangle shirtwaist fire.

you are fucking dumb. you watch a lot of fox news?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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AquariusPanta said:
Because it's a business - the first rule of business is to make profit. Businesses aren't required to give a fuck about what's fair and what isn't.

Moral of discussion: if you don't agree with something, don't fucking support it. Simple.

Moving on..
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I don't buy Bug Macs. That doesn't give McDonald's the right to underpay their workers. Besides, as a taxpayer, I'm tired of seeing taxpayer dollars used to subsidize the business, by passing for services the workers need. By your law of the jungle, McDonald's needs to be paying for that On Its Own. Or is what's good for goose not so palatable for gander?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
actually, they are. hence why we have safety standards and minimum wages and things like that.

ya know, so that we don't have a repeat of the triangle shirtwaist fire.

you are fucking dumb. you watch a lot of fox news?
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Good point about safety standards. So why are living standards any different? Could you provide insight? I'm very curious about the logic here.
 
TBoneJack

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UncleBuck said:
i was slightly wrong, it's $0.59 more now.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/

australia has cheaper big macs than we do, and their min wage is more than twice what ours is.

and no massive unemployment.
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Yeah idiot, and Australia doesn't have to:

1. Defend the fucking world, like we do.

2. Have to put up with the massive litigation and liability concerns that every fucking business in this country must, because of our fucked up civil legal system.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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AquariusPanta said:
Because it's a business - the first rule of business is to make profit. Businesses aren't required to give a fuck about what you think is and isn't fair.

Moral of discussion: if you don't agree with something, don't fucking support it. Simple.

Moving on..
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OSHA, paying taxes, observing local ordinances, laws and regulations... I'm guessing you've never run a business, then?
 
bu$hleaguer

bu$hleaguer

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ttystikk said:
Really? Why not? McDonald's expects their workers to basically run their life around being an employee, I definitely think McDonald's can damn well pay a fair and living wage.

Again: WHY NOT? Do these people deserve less? Are they by definition stupid, and thus not worthy of getting a fair return on their investment of time? Where does it end?
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No, I'm not saying anything about the employee themselves. That has nothing to do with it. I'm saying people are expecting something that's not in the agreement. McDonald's never told any employees that they'd be able to afford certain things by working there. They told them what their wage was, and the employee argreed. End of situation. What the forces of the world around this agreement are don't matter because all that does is the agreement between the employee and the employer. Family member died? Car troubles? So be it. McDonald's can give them a raise or a little cash or whatever to help, if they like to do that kind of thing which I would, or they ignore it. Whatever. It's a job and a job has always been a way to earn money. What that money can get you will always change.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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UncleBuck said:
actually, they are. hence why we have safety standards and minimum wages and things like that.

ya know, so that we don't have a repeat of the triangle shirtwaist fire.

you are fucking dumb. you watch a lot of fox news?
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ttystikk said:
I don't buy Bug Macs. That doesn't give McDonald's the right to underpay their workers. Besides, as a taxpayer, I'm tired of seeing taxpayer dollars used to subsidize the business, by passing for services the workers need. By your law of the jungle, McDonald's needs to be paying for that On Its Own. Or is what's good for goose not so palatable for gander?
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Safety and opinions come from two different natures BUT OK.

You guys ever see the movie Tomorrowland? In the movie, one of the actresses is in class and all of her teachers are preaching how the world is collapsing and it's so awful. She eagerly raises her hand multiple times, only to be vocally shunned or ignored. Eventually she gets the opportunity to ask a professor about what their solution was; he had no answer.

What's your solutions to getting us the ideal world, fellas?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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TBoneJack said:
Yeah idiot, and Australia doesn't have to:

1. Defend the fucking world, like we do.

2. Have to put up with the massive litigation and liability concerns that every fucking business in this country must, because of our fucked up civil legal system.
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1. Why? Since when do we 'have to' do it? Have you looked down that rabbit hole, brother? Please do... and beware, it's nasty.

2. Maybe this is because they make a business model out of hurting people?
 
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