cannabineer
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OK; scrap that guess. I do think you've been lucky however. cn
So how about banning all semi-automatic weapons?
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OK; scrap that guess. I do think you've been lucky however. cn
nitro harley
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Well I can't prove anything.....But I think Osama got chased right through afganistan into pakaistan, and you know the rest of the story.....and I think Osama was from Saudi Arabia.....So there is the connection for those 19 POS from Saudi Arabia....Thats 19 plus one=...20 POS from saudi Arabia.......That all had something to do with Afganistan....the facts are the facts I can't change them.....
You do realize that there leader was hiding in afganistan.....The leader of those 19 POS your talking about?.....................nitro..
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superfoxwon
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Its not the guns, its the people holding them. Maybe we should outlaw water because it causes drownings.
canndo
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People love to use this useless comparison as if to say that there is no place for guns in a convesation about a man taking up a weapon and shooting down a couple of dozen children. The opposite of this is that if we saw even a small percentage of bombs blowing up schools, the gun toters would be the first to call for banning the makings of those explosives. If guns are not the problem then neither is dynamite, yet dynamite is highly controled and we don't see a lot of people being purposefully killed using that substance.
In truth guns ARE a part of the problem. If there were no guns those kids would not have been shot. Just because another portion of the problem involves people does not indicate that guns do not fall into the equation.
As I said, banning guns in order to prevent mass shootings is the same as banning cars in order to prevent speeding.
canndo
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What a joke.
Really, this statement is filled with irony and idiocy. Personal responsibility eh? So exactly who is to blame then when a corporation spews millions of gallons of crude across a thousand miles of beach? Who is personaly responsible for an economic collapse? How about the poisoning of an aquifer? But I thought you all said that corporations were people.
canndo
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Another of those intentionaly faulty comparisons that leave the gun companies that pump guns into the population blameless. We leave our culture of violence blameless, we leave our failure to address mental illness as just something that happens but what ever we do we had better not include guns in the equation. They, after all are innocent.
nontheist
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Listen Canndo, the people don't want gun restrictions it's apparent. Both democrats and republicans respect our 2nd amendment just because the extreme left get amped up every time something like this happens doesn't mean were going to make new laws. We're going to have a lot of political boaster and no filler just like every other time. In case you have been sleeping the last 10 years we movement is actually going the opposite direction.
Prohibition does not work. It just creates a black market. The items you ban are still going to be sold, just instead of having to have a background check and such will be a thing of the past. Any person can acquire guns, explosive materials, knives, hatchets, poisons, you name it. Yet very few people actually use what is readily available to do harm to others.
In a ban situation criminals will have a field day with the average citizen. Robberies will skyrocket, muggings, you name it.
In a ban situation criminals will have a field day with the average citizen. Robberies will skyrocket, muggings, you name it.
canndo
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The people actually do want gun restrictions. What they respect about the 2nd amendment varies greatly. The problem is that the left is getting amped "every time something like this happens" more and more because "something like this" is happening more and more often. We agree that in the long run nothing is going to change but I would like to see both sides begin to tell the truth. "shit happens" - is the common response from the right and it doesn't wash anymore. "this shit can be stopped" - is the refrain from the left and it is not accurate. First we tell the truth, that we really don't mind children getting mowed down in their own schools, we really believe that our rights are more important than those children's lives. Let us stop lying about this and accept the fact that we don't really care enough to do anything about it, and the right doesn't care enough to accept their complicity in it.
canndo
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The same old argument, over and over again. You tend to conveniently twist the term "criminal" when it comforts you. The fact is that the last shooter and the one before that got their guns either directly or indirectly through legal channels. So your argument about prohibition doesn't really hold up.
What I see here is that folks who value their right to keep and bear more than the lives of some children they don't know always tend to religeously tell us what won't work but are very short on ideas of what will.
And the cure for guns is not more guns, what else you got?
canndo
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Government hasn't shot children citizens since waco. they are a bit more trustworthy.
Any citizen of any age can walk into walmart and buy rat poison. How many rat poisonings have there been when weighed against all of the rat poison sold? If they manage to ban guns, and the perps decide they will poison the food at the school with rat poison will you then be on here advocating banning the sale of rat poison? Where does this end? Ban air because it contains poisonous carbon monoxide that can kill you? People like you make me sick. Guns are a tool, and any tool can be used to do good or can be used to do evil. banning every thing an evil person uses to do evil with will result in chaos. Boxcutters? 9/11 terrorists used those to take over a plane, which they then used to kill thousands. Still sold. Planes? can be easily taken over and flown into targets: still sold.
hotrodharley
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How about all prospective gun owners take a class in gun safety and take a MMPI? If you're mentally unstable by followup assessment by a shrink if the MMPI indicates wacko then no guns or toys for you. Additionally, those who own firearms but fail to maintain control of those firearms and those guns are then used to kill or injure then civil suits should not only be allowed but no limitations on jury damages. Let's see how many want guns enough to do all that, none of which is unreasonable in the US in the 21st century.
BTW - I own guns but see nothing wrong with limiting some items to possession by law enforcement only. 17 years in ER and even more years in OR at a Level I trauma center on the Mexican border? If I haven't seen enough to judge misery, injury, death . . . .. The guilty - that's one thing. But when kids and other bystanders are routinely killed by guys "Spray and pray" method of elimination then limit the number they can fire from each clip. Save the "bad guys will . . ."
I already know that.
BTW - I own guns but see nothing wrong with limiting some items to possession by law enforcement only. 17 years in ER and even more years in OR at a Level I trauma center on the Mexican border? If I haven't seen enough to judge misery, injury, death . . . .. The guilty - that's one thing. But when kids and other bystanders are routinely killed by guys "Spray and pray" method of elimination then limit the number they can fire from each clip. Save the "bad guys will . . ."
I already know that.
What about Anwar al-Awlaki kids? And how long do we have to wait after shooting kids before they are forgiven? Also, the government didn't shoot the kids at waco, they burned them alive.
unohu69
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More intentionally faulty comparisons i suppose. ??
well, i was going to actually break it down, but seeing as how you showed your level of comprehension. I will not. I decided a long time ago, that if someone wasnt intelligent enough to understand basic concepts of responsibility, then I am not going to argue with them. Some people just cant be reasoned with. Those same types of personalities also will not be hindered by some pesky gun law, should they ever decide to "flip out" everyone else already knows the things you mentioned are in no way connected to the 2ndA.
The distiller isnt responsible for the drunk driver, nor the car manufacturer. Mcdonalds isnt responsible for fat people (im fluffy, and i dont even eat there
) I mean look at all the people Jason killed with a machette.. are we gonna ban them to ?
hotrodharley
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You haven't seen any pics from Iraq or Afghanistan, eh? Or Pakistan?
desert dude
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Eliminate gun free zones. Armed self defense has been shown to be effective.
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