Snowden's Travels

Highlowazupkush said:

Who's nation? I'm going to go ahead and DEDUCE that you're talking about the USA? right? You're English, and most Americans talk about USA as if its the only country on the planet, therefore you're clearly talking about usa, Am I right?

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learning05 said:

Funny how the media and many americans are so concerned about snowden's whereabouts instead of Prism + NSA + Congress. He blew a whistle so that we would pay attention to the US's invasion of privacy yet mainstream media has effectively shifted all its focus away from Prism and on the refuge/capture of snowden. We are already losing sight of the reason he chose to blow the whistle in the first place. His refugee shouldn't be as big of a concern for the avg american as is the NSA and its programs.

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learning05 said:

I would imagine the media outlets trying to paint him as a criminal after being charged by the Obama Admin via the espionage act. Regardless of what he still knows...we are certain of PRIMS existence; therefore, the avg American should be concentrating their time on learning its provision and determine whether it is constitutional. Is much easier for the Obama Admin to divert attention away from the NSA then it is for them to release more details about the initiative. All I am saying is we should worry about what is known not what may be known by a single individual. The entire US gov is after him so he obv has merit. I would rather see people investigating Prism then debating Snowdens whereabouts. We can do much more as citizens in legislation then we can as alleged "fugitive" hunters.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday U.S. congressional leaders he briefed in 2004 on a surveillance program recently disclosed by leaker Edward Snowden supported it, and both Republicans and Democrats wanted to keep it secret.

Cheney said he was directly involved in setting up the program, run by the National Security Agency, or NSA, in the weeks after the 9/11 attacks. He said it has had “phenomenal results” in preventing terrorist attacks.
Cheney did not specify which survelliance program he was referring to. Snowden, a former NSA contractor, is facing espionage charges stemming from his disclosure of U.S. surveillance programs that collect phone records and online data in the name of national security.

“There was a time when it was a very, very close hold. Unfortunately it’s become public,” said Cheney.
He was asked about Snowden’s disclosures at a forum at a Washington think tank on U.S.-Korean affairs. He said the leaks have already caused significant damage to U.S. national security as it had forced the government to declassify information to explain the surveillance program.
“If you tell the enemy how you are reading their mail, it’s going to lessen your capability to do that,” he said.
Cheney, who served as vice president in the George W. Bush administration, said that the way the program was set up, it required presidential approval for anyone outside the agency to be allowed to “read in” to it.
Cheney said he met and briefed congressional leaders — whom he did not identify — about three years after the program started and they were “unanimous” that it should continue.

“I said, ‘Do you think we ought to come back to the Congress in order to get more formal authorization?’ and they said, ‘Absolutely not.’ Everybody, Republican and Democrat, said, ‘Don’t come back up here, it will leak’,” Cheney said.
Cheney expressed concern that a private contractor was able to gain access to the information that Snowden has leaked, and speculated that someone within the NSA was feeding information to him.
Snowden left Hong Kong Sunday for Moscow to avoid extradition to the U.S. His intended destination remains unclear.
While the Obama administration and U.S. lawmakers have decried Snowden’s leaks, free speech advocates have praised him for shedding light on secret surveillance programs in a democratic society.
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Pentium said:

Snowdens regardless of the country in which the arrest or death, arising from either the United States or the country, is a very difficult problem. I would like to ask, it will induce war?

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learning05 said:

Are you asking if Snowden were to be arrested or killed, will that cause a war? I don't think so...maybe tougher trade sanctions may placed by the US on the countries aiding/haboring him. But even that I am doubtful.

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echelon1k1 said:

IMO the flight to Russia was planned. If you look at the CIA's relationship with Moscow over the last year of so it's been rocky to say the least. The Fogle bullshit, Russia naming the agency's Moscow station chief, Arc Electronics and the fishenko espionage case, now snowdens in Russia, too convenient...

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Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled as they have been during the Bush administration. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. I will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government

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echelon1k1 said:

http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/

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learning05 said:

Obama has claimed many things pre-election and has done the opposite. But in all fairness it is not the man in the chair who has the real ability. In order to maintain his seat he needs to sell his soul to those with funding money. The true enemies of the world are often in financial and banking sectors. Their desire for greed knows no bounds.

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echelon1k1 said:

I posted an article a while back by an ex-cia guy stating Obama's scared of being assassinated by the CIA, which is why he won't reign in the cowboys who've gone off the reservation... Don't know how much truth there is to it, but, my family in the US has been involved with intelligence agencies and his opinion is Obama has a great disdain for the military and the agency, but knows he is dwarfed by it's immense history and tentacles...

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