Schwaggy P's Random Stuff

outliergenetix

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If you want to use pollen from different age's of dispersal. You will need a safe place to grow males....No going from one to the other with out cleaning yourself - you have a grip on that already.

Collecting and "painting" females. Delivers the best pollen to the best females and you can even pic what you consider the points to hit....

In the end. If your doing a long term project to get specific results...... I suggest at least a 250 seed run. You pheno hunt those and go on from there. This is why quality, stable strains take a long time to go from idea to market...
well I was thinking more like 100 plant pheno hunts from resulting seeds I make from the cultivars I come across either given or bought. I was gonna employ something I heard kevin Jodrey, or someone I have allot of respect for knowledge wise, said. they basically do 100 plant pheno hunts via 4 separate x 25 plant runs over the year. yes it is forever time wise in comparison, but I don't know other growers near me to share the space ya know what I mean. or else I would coordinate on projects with them to do 100-200 plant runs at once. you gave me allot to think about. your way is definitely more efficient and targeted t a specific goal. my goal is in this order. preserve the original cultivar I was given or bought by making allot of seeds up front. then I can always pull something similar back out from it and not worry about losing it thus no need for massive cloning or keepind allot of mothers. 2nd goal. to pheno hunt along the way for something special for me personally, stuff I enjoy, and 3 play around with interesting hybrid ideas should I have any, but this is a if I have time, space or something think worth taking away from my other two goals above. maybe that gives you more info about what I am trying to accomplish. oh and clearly I want to preserve things by passing around seeds from the cultivars I mentioned or if someone like a selection I mde for my headstash they can have a cut. I have no money goals whatsoever, I just liked the name outliergenetix lol because I always considered myself an outlier and the best plants are often outliers so I was like lets go with that. nobody likes the same 'ol thing right ;)
 

Dr. Who

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well I was thinking more like 100 plant pheno hunts from resulting seeds I make from the cultivars I come across either given or bought. I was gonna employ something I heard kevin Jodrey, or someone I have allot of respect for knowledge wise, said. they basically do 100 plant pheno hunts via 4 separate x 25 plant runs over the year. yes it is forever time wise in comparison, but I don't know other growers near me to share the space ya know what I mean. or else I would coordinate on projects with them to do 100-200 plant runs at once. you gave me allot to think about. your way is definitely more efficient and targeted t a specific goal. my goal is in this order. preserve the original cultivar I was given or bought by making allot of seeds up front. then I can always pull something similar back out from it and not worry about losing it thus no need for massive cloning or keepind allot of mothers. 2nd goal. to pheno hunt along the way for something special for me personally, stuff I enjoy, and 3 play around with interesting hybrid ideas should I have any, but this is a if I have time, space or something think worth taking away from my other two goals above. maybe that gives you more info about what I am trying to accomplish. oh and clearly I want to preserve things by passing around seeds from the cultivars I mentioned or if someone like a selection I mde for my headstash they can have a cut. I have no money goals whatsoever, I just liked the name outliergenetix lol because I always considered myself an outlier and the best plants are often outliers so I was like lets go with that. nobody likes the same 'ol thing right ;)
Large scale pheno hunts have, in the past, and today. Rewarded some breeders with "the Pheno" at ratio's of 200:1
Riot's "Clockwork Orange"is the example that comes to mind first.

In running pheno hunts from F1 pairings. Popping the first 24 beans yielded 16 females and 8 males. Of these 16 females. There were 12 distinct pheno's and 4 defined as being the same as some others.... Keeping in mind that the term "genetic shift" only applies to crossing different strains with one another. You can see that all those influences to the parents genetic background are finding places to express themselves.....The more diversity that goes in, the more that can come out.....

Having friends help with pheno hunting runs can help.... GREATLY but, I understand the lack of those that can help thing too.

I had a real bitch'in Strawberry Cough X Sativa Hemp strain of a medical, high CBD project. She was testing out at about 9% CBD and 10% THC...... It was offered to several dispensaries for what it was, a medical strain.
They hesitated on the price but, went ahead and tried a few zips to test the market. It took about 4 days and I was getting calls like, "I'll take everything you can get me, at your price. We can't keep it on the shelves!"

Production was increased. It was going great guns in my disp. and theirs.....Got ratted out and lost the strain in a cop infestation....3 years of work down the drain...

Only just started some breeding projects again. Staying in my #'s and being legal. I was really pushing my luck back then......Now, it's legal in my state.....Still, until the state sorts out new laws. I'm following my medical licencing rules. However, they have just made it legal for me to sell "overages" to dispensaries again.....

To the "targeted" thing you mention. Yes, very much so.

Getting my ducks in a row for a 3 strain crossing with backing to get specific plant structural results. There will be some shift in the buzz type but hope the backing may bring me back closer to the original crossing.....I expect this project to take around 2 years to complete.... Not rushing it. Looking for specific results, from specific pairings....

Peace
 

outliergenetix

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Large scale pheno hunts have, in the past, and today. Rewarded some breeders with "the Pheno" at ratio's of 200:1
Riot's "Clockwork Orange"is the example that comes to mind first.

In running pheno hunts from F1 pairings. Popping the first 24 beans yielded 16 females and 8 males. Of these 16 females. There were 12 distinct pheno's and 4 defined as being the same as some others.... Keeping in mind that the term "genetic shift" only applies to crossing different strains with one another. You can see that all those influences to the parents genetic background are finding places to express themselves.....The more diversity that goes in, the more that can come out.....

Having friends help with pheno hunting runs can help.... GREATLY but, I understand the lack of those that can help thing too.

I had a real bitch'in Strawberry Cough X Sativa Hemp strain of a medical, high CBD project. She was testing out at about 9% CBD and 10% THC...... It was offered to several dispensaries for what it was, a medical strain.
They hesitated on the price but, went ahead and tried a few zips to test the market. It took about 4 days and I was getting calls like, "I'll take everything you can get me, at your price. We can't keep it on the shelves!"

Production was increased. It was going great guns in my disp. and theirs.....Got ratted out and lost the strain in a cop infestation....3 years of work down the drain...

Only just started some breeding projects again. Staying in my #'s and being legal. I was really pushing my luck back then......Now, it's legal in my state.....Still, until the state sorts out new laws. I'm following my medical licencing rules. However, they have just made it legal for me to sell "overages" to dispensaries again.....

To the "targeted" thing you mention. Yes, very much so.

Getting my ducks in a row for a 3 strain crossing with backing to get specific plant structural results. There will be some shift in the buzz type but hope the backing may bring me back closer to the original crossing.....I expect this project to take around 2 years to complete.... Not rushing it. Looking for specific results, from specific pairings....

Peace
hey man thanks for all that great info and taking the time to share your story. i wish the laws allowed hobbyist like me to learn via being to work with enough stuff. it really is a sad state of affairs imo for anyone wanting to grow this plant for non-capitalist reasons. not that i have an issue with ppl making money i am referring to the fact the government only recognizes it in that way, as a commodity. i am so glad there are ppl like you, shwaggy, and several others i won't attempt to list on this forum and you make yourselves available.
 

Schwaggy P

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The tent where the Granny Skunk (Virginia Beach Afghani x (Skelly HP x SSSC Skunk #1) will be dropping pollen has been flipped. The Green Crack is the featured female for this round. This will be my first step for the sharp, astringent skunk strain of my last breeding proposal. I added a few different ladies with the Green Crack since I'll have plenty of stock to work from one fully seeded plant.

When a mother plant has given plenty of cuts and she's ready to be reset (new mother plant from a rooted clone), I like to use her for seeding since she can throw so many tops. Letting the moms finish their lives this way seems like a more fitting end than being tossed out.
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SMT69

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Large scale pheno hunts have, in the past, and today. Rewarded some breeders with "the Pheno" at ratio's of 200:1
Riot's "Clockwork Orange"is the example that comes to mind first.

In running pheno hunts from F1 pairings. Popping the first 24 beans yielded 16 females and 8 males. Of these 16 females. There were 12 distinct pheno's and 4 defined as being the same as some others.... Keeping in mind that the term "genetic shift" only applies to crossing different strains with one another. You can see that all those influences to the parents genetic background are finding places to express themselves.....The more diversity that goes in, the more that can come out.....

Having friends help with pheno hunting runs can help.... GREATLY but, I understand the lack of those that can help thing too.

I had a real bitch'in Strawberry Cough X Sativa Hemp strain of a medical, high CBD project. She was testing out at about 9% CBD and 10% THC...... It was offered to several dispensaries for what it was, a medical strain.
They hesitated on the price but, went ahead and tried a few zips to test the market. It took about 4 days and I was getting calls like, "I'll take everything you can get me, at your price. We can't keep it on the shelves!"

Production was increased. It was going great guns in my disp. and theirs.....Got ratted out and lost the strain in a cop infestation....3 years of work down the drain...

Only just started some breeding projects again. Staying in my #'s and being legal. I was really pushing my luck back then......Now, it's legal in my state.....Still, until the state sorts out new laws. I'm following my medical licencing rules. However, they have just made it legal for me to sell "overages" to dispensaries again.....

To the "targeted" thing you mention. Yes, very much so.

Getting my ducks in a row for a 3 strain crossing with backing to get specific plant structural results. There will be some shift in the buzz type but hope the backing may bring me back closer to the original crossing.....I expect this project to take around 2 years to complete.... Not rushing it. Looking for specific results, from specific pairings....

Peace
We had strawb cough here also, couldnt keep it on the shelves at the disp either, what a fantastic smoke...now its gone they mustt of lost the supplier. so, im pheno hunting some sc now chasing that great plant. I was hoping you might have some input on what to look for since you had a great represention of the cut....thx, and gl on your new stuff
 

Schwaggy P

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@SchwaggyP what breeder's green crack are you running? I have one been running for 3 years, iirc its an hso offering. Do you have some pics of yours I can view?
It is from HSO. Years ago, I used to get flowers from THE cut and it was a more sweet mango. The effect was all treble and didn't last as long as I would have liked. I tried a couple different breeder's GC and was blown away when this plant popped out. It has far more astringent acetone to the terp profile and a lot more bass to the treble. The effect is soaring with a strong body buzz that lasts for over 2hrs.

When I got this plant I bought many more packs thinking there had to be something better, and nothing was even close. I got a lot of the sweet mango and broader leafed phenos, but nothing with the buzzsaw high and strong solvent smell that carries through on the exhale. I have a hell of a time keeping her on hand because everyone wants it.
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Dr. Who

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We had strawb cough here also, couldnt keep it on the shelves at the disp either, what a fantastic smoke...now its gone they mustt of lost the supplier. so, im pheno hunting some sc now chasing that great plant. I was hoping you might have some input on what to look for since you had a great represention of the cut....thx, and gl on your new stuff

For my needs, I focused on finding a pheno that expressed as the best stress/anxiety/pain reliever - with the strongest taste and scent (berry) as I could.....This cost a lot in actual content tests,,and I had help from friends across the pond.
This was then crossed with a HEMP (Sativa) strain known for it's super low THC and high CBD levels.
Once these first crossings were done. The backing started.
Mother was the Hemp
Father was the SC
1st backing was to the hemp BUT, it was done with a Hemp male to bring the higher CBD profile up, and reduce the higher THC trends passed from the SC Father.
This was then repeated the other way.
Lastly back to a male from the F2 pairing. This male expressed as super strong and had acceptable run times in it's line from the F2 pairing.
These produced a very stable/consistent pheno spread that ran from a CBD of 8-10 % and THC level of 9 - 11%. They all carried a powerful pain/anxiety relief, with a good taste and lower "cough" factor. Had a COPD patient tell me it was really good as a bronchodilator for him. That was not an expected result but did get on the medical description cards.

Most of the time it took to complete this was the pheno hunting..... There are short cuts to somethings but, when going for concentration manipulation. Testing is a must... Knowing somebody with a Gas-chrome....BIG BONUS!

Anything you would like more detail on?
 
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