root rot in 25 gallon rubermaid aero system..

bca21

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I have a 25 gallon rubbermaid container with 6 plants vegging under a 400 watt hps. My question is, what do i do when the roots gets too long and sit in the water resivoir? How do i prevent root rot? right now i have a 20-50 gallon air pump running 2 6 inch air stones and a 396 gph water pump shooting the aeor sprinklers... So
1. will i get root rot with the 2 long air stones and air pump oxygenating the water with the roots in it?
2 How long should leave the airstones running?
 

LimPShoT

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with the 2 airstones on, and you should leave them on all the time you will have enough oxygen moving in the water to prevent root rot. I am using a 33 gallon tub/aero system, just starting to germ so dont having any roots yet but stating from other peeps grows with similar setups you should be root rot free.
 

potroast

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Root rot is caused by the growth of pathogens and they won't grow very well in water that is less than 75F.

HTH :mrgreen:
 

Demosthenese

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airstones solve your problem. you shouldn't get root rot, people do whole grows in nothing but water with a bubblestone in it, DWC the roots are always in water.

a preventative measure is to add h202 to your water as long as your not using organic nutes. Im using Al B Fucts reccomendation:

"Yes, add 1ml per litre of reservoir volume of 50% (horticultural grade) H2O2 every 3-4 days. If you can only get 3% pharmacy grade H2O2, use 17ml/litre."

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/10046-my-new-bubble-cloner-4.html

roseman says:

Need help with Root Rot?

Thick, fat, white furry roots are what you most want to see - they are absolutely indicative of healthy root growth. Be aware however that the color of a nutrient solution will stain the roots, turning them yellow or brown. This is also true of many nutrient additives. Older, more mature plants will have a darker cream-colored root system, and some plants just tend to have a natural cream colored color pigment.
Root Zone Temperature
The temperature of the root zone and the temperature of the nutrient water solution can have a major effect on the healthy growth and appearance of the root system. In general the temperature should be between 68 and 72 degrees farenheit. Anywhee between 64 and 80 will be OK. Colder or warmer conditions can cause poor and stunted root growth, as the roots don't want to grow into the unhospitable nutrient solution. Major root death can occur in even brief periods of cold or heat stress. Poor temperature conditions leave the door open to root disease.

Some would argue that one of the strengths of hydroponics is its sterile environment, and the notion of exposing growing systems to bacterial and fungal organisms would be self-defeating, if not sacrilegious. These growers rely on sterile growing environments, strong disinfectants and a product like SM-90. Another option is Hydrogen Peroxide. Each of these offer their own protection and benefits. But NEITHER SM-90 or Hydrogen Peroxide works well with organic nutes or organic additives in the reservoir. You can not try to kill the organic algae or pythium and add organic materials back. That just won't work!
They do not work well together and SM-90 has also been known to react poorly with Superthrive.
In a sterile growing environment, your goal is to have a super clean reservoir. This is harder than it sounds. Folks who have been growing in the same area with the same equipment for years might find that they are suddenly having root problems when they never had them before. Or a new grower might begin having problems right from the beginning because of his water or temps.
Keeping your reservoir totally sterile can work very well, but once you get a population of icky badness it will keep coming back again and again. Some pathogens such as pythium are almost impossible to get rid of completelely. No matter how many times you sterilize everything with a bleach solution, the problem returns. It can get very frustrating and expensive to constanly be battling. More and more innovative growers are moving toward a more wholistic approach of using good microbes in the reservoir with organic nutes or staying with strickly chemical nutes..
One option is to use no organic additives at all and to rely strictly on chemical nutrients based on fertilizer salts. We think a better choice is to continue using organic material, but also using an enzymatic addtive like Hygrozyme that will break down the unwanted organic matter in the reservoir . If you would like to use additives such as bat guano, compost or fish-based products, you might consider run to waste instead of a recirculating system.
 

bca21

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I really appreciate it, Im just making sure im in the clear.. Hate to waste time and money on hydro/aero if i cant finish. Ive seen alot of success and alot of failure. With my litle setup, i should be alright... we'll see
:blsmoke:
THAANK YALL riu
 

smokeybandit22

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just maintain your Ph at around 5.7-5.8 and you will be fine. many caution against using h202 in DWC resivoirs as it will kill both harmful and beneficial bacteria. Hydroguard is a good thing. bigtime notice in drop in root rot since using
 

Demosthenese

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if you're using all chemical nutes theres no reason not to use h202, and it really should solve all problems. You can add additives to replace the stuff the beneficial bacteria do.
 

eagleClaw

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Hey bca21, I'm running about 2 weeks into my grow on a rubermaid aero setup. Check out my grow journal in my sig.

I'm having root-rot issues right now, but seem to be getting better. My problem was the water temperature, make sure you keep a close eye on it. I've ordered some 35% H2O2 and that should be arriving soon. For now, I'm just keeping the water cooler and that seems to help.

Good luck.
 

SmokerE

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I periodically have a problem with root rot usually due to laziness. I've found most of my success is when I keep water levels to where the roots only go into the resevoir a couple of inches during the first couple of weeks of flowering. I use a fairly large air pump and temps are somewhere around that 75 degree mark. I personally use a 18 gallon tank and I would suspect with larger tanks or even tanks of that size the relative oxygen saturation is dependent on water levels with proportion to air being pumped in. I also recall reading somewhere that water at different temperatures has a peak oxygen saturation level, so the lower you go in temperature the more oxygen the water can hold, but like potroast said 75 is ideal or a little lower.

I'm pretty sure in part when my temps are higher in the resevoir lowering the water nutrient level and not letting the roots to be over 30% submerged in the solution assists the plant in obtaining more oxygen. Usually later on around the 3rd or 4th week it don't seem to matter much where the nutrient level is as long bulk of the root mass is submerged.

I've used both Hygrozyme and Hyrdroguard. I don't personally have the need for either as long as I keep up on that water level.
 

jjustin

Active Member
if your afraid of getting root rot, try adding some clear-ex to your nut solution or when you feed them, let them soak in a different container for an hour or so. also if you have or think you have root rot try some hygrozyme it protects and prevents root rot
 
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