I just have to say that I do not care if you agree or not that we need to pay for libraries, schools, roads, etc. Honestly, you and your ilk do not want to pay for anything you do not use. So I would say you have no concept of "society". You need to go up in the hills, build your own cabin, grow your own veggies and livestock and get off of electricity (society produces and pays for this and keeps your costs down), get off of public water (hope you like boiling every bit you ingest), and NEVER come into town FOR ANYTHING, because then you would be using OUR roads, hospitals, schools, churches, supermarkets, water, electricity, etc.
I respect your right to your opinion. I respect your right to cooperate with any of your friends and create the kind of society you want.
Your last sentence does not make any sense. Go back and ask yourself what I said about "initiating force"?
If you are for income taxation, then you are for forced initiation of violence when some person does not pay their taxes. If you don't pay does the IRS leave you alone? Fuck no they come after you with a vengeance and then try to reduce you to nothing just to show you that you should never try to fight the IRS. You will pay taxes or you WILL go to Jail, if you resist you WILL be killed. Initiation of force, which you are wholeheartedly for.
that is the most hyperbolic statement ever made in perpetuity throughout the universe.
A little dramatic for someone named Nodrama. Tell me what is the VIOLENCE? IRS does not kill people, they may jail you if you do not pay a lot of taxes. The fact remains that you are a free person, and you can move to a country that more suits your low tax needs. Problem is, that you will not make any money in those countries that have low taxes, and you will lose a lot of the freedom you came to enjoy here in the states.
Just because you fail to recognize or acknowledge that you advocate inititiating force doesn't mean that you don't.
We've been down this path before. Looks like rather than taking the debate to it's intellectual conclusion, backed by logic, you went for your signature move, to obfuscate and insult. I'm beginning to question what you are still doing here when so many people have put the same observations about your techniques forward. Do you flip the chess board over too when it is apparent you are about to be check mated? I'm not trying to insult you, but I think it's time you took a step back and grew up.
i think the same thing about you: GROW UP. if you have such a huge fucking problem with paying taxes, leave. just go. you won't find many places without taxes though. the only certain things in life are death and taxes.
regale me, if you would, with what life expectancy and literacy rates (especially among the non-wealthy) were like during those days. the "good ol' days"...ha.
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You are such a lovable character, So warn and fuzzy.
We don't need roads? We don't need fire depts? We don't need schools? We don't need planning depts? We don't need environmental protections? We don't need safe food? Really? I kinda like having those things.
Logical Fallacy, appeal to ridicule.
And what happens if you refuse to be jailed, as you see it you have done nothing wrong, what if you try to defend your self from the strong arm of the law? You get shot and killed, or you get away after which they put you on a list and the feds have a nation wide manhunt for your ass. Guess how many IRS agents carry sidearms? Guess? Its alot more than you think, so now what you think about the IRS does not use force?
Totally wrong and ill informed. You can move wherever you like and work wherever you want, for a LIMITED time, you still have to pay the US income tax, no matter where you are or where you go. You can't just get up one day and expatriate yourself you know, something like that takes 3-5 years and plenty of fees and bureaucratic BS. then there is getting a work visa from the host country you want to become a citizen of, might take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a citizenship, depends on the country. LOL you just try and move away and not pay the IRS its taxes, go ahead see how fast they freeze your overseas accounts and just take the money. You people that just say" If you don't like it you can just leave" Yall are a bunch of morons. Go and ask an Iraqi or Afghani the same thing. "If you don't like it then just leave" . Feel like an idiot yet? Ask a Jew who survived the Holocaust why he didn't just leave, Ask Tiger Woods why he didn't just leave. I have a lot invested into this country I call HOME, I want it to be better, not disabled by the crushing weight of extreme debt and a slave attitude about how we should proliferate this terrible idea of having an all powerful state take care of us and shield us from all harm.
I pay all my taxes like a good little slave, although I take maximum advantage of all the legal accounting tricks and whatnot so that my actual taxes paid in is not enough to concern ones self with.
The States fund plenty of roads.
All funded by property taxes, try again.
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Sure we need safe food, the USA already has plenty of laws that do those kinds of things, what we don't need is gestapo tactics to force other to eat what the government decides is good for you or not. Its my fucking body and I'll do what I want with it, get your godamn nose outta my bidness. When you rely on government to provide all your safety for you you have become a slave, you aren't free unless you live life by your terms, not some politician 2000 miles away who's life has been completely different from yours from the day he was born, yet your gonna let him make all the decisions for you. If we need government to save us from safe food all i want to know is, how did you survive so long if you haven't been eating safe food all this time? Are you sure you need a few more tax funded agencies to save you from something you haven't ever had the displeasure of experiencing? If I told you that you were hundreds of times more likely to be struck dead by lightning than to eat a shit laced e coli sandwich would you believe me? Think Government could save you from lightning?
you said that if you don't pay the fine for the individual mandate the government will kill you, then you said check mate. you obviously suck at playing chess.
is that a thinly veiled insult? *gasp* i thought you were too good for those.
just pointing out the facts of the reality we both live in. well, maybe not both of us...you seem to be kinda out there at times.
no, i am not implying you are mad at me. i am simply directing you to the people who made it possible for you to be taxed without your consent...we the people, the founding fathers, the constitution they wrote.
you rail on about how the government will kill you if you don't pay your taxes.
my goal is to present historically accurate facts, learn and expose the rube in the room. and get some lulz while i'm at it. thanks for the lulz.
i am certain we don't share the same methods. you believe in telling people the government will kill you if you don't pay taxes. i believe in telling you of the historical run down of how it came about that you are taxed without your direct consent. and how you are giving the government your indirect consent to tax you by continuing to live among society and take advantage of all the goodies that society has to offer.
