Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[Midwest Weedist]

They don't most are just winging it , unless you get a Actual soil analysis Done your winging it plain and simple.. all organic additives are amendments not nutrients, And you are correct it varies Large in actual NPK And like you mention with top dressing is they never had enough of the A or B in there soil to begin with again lack of trully understanding LOS

You're really fucking annoying man. You talk shit on everything organic unless you're the person doing it.

 

[Darth Vapour]

There's a lot of ways to skin a cat man. Instead of spewing out a bunch of answers, let me ask you some questions first. What size planters do you use, how long do you plan on vegging your plants, what's your soil mix made up of, and do you plan on doing things like aacts, ssts, etc? All these will determine what method you should use to best suit your needs.
if you'd like to skip the re-ammending stage I suggest you read up on the Korean no-till style of farming a lot of us use. If you prefer to dump out all of your soil, ammend, then repot, that's another story, though quite similar.

What size planters are you using ??? WTF does that got to do with anything if you got proper ratio's in your soil 1 gallon or 800 gallon is going to be the same ratio of nutrients it will take care of the plant .. Common sense comes into the equation if plant out grows pot . Don't you think ??

 

[Midwest Weedist]

What size planters are you using ??? WTF does that got to do with anything if you got proper ratio's in your soil 1 gallon or 800 gallon is going to be the same ratio of nutrients it will take care of the plant .. Common sense comes into the equation if plant out grows pot . Don't you think ??

I asked that because if he's going to run a notill setup he needs to keep his planters above a certain capacity or he'll see diminished returns. It's pretty simple actually, think for a minute before you look stupid.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Yes I do actually, my plants tell me and I'm smart enough to know what they're telling me. I don't need a complete soil analysis to know what's in it. I built it, I know exactly what's in it. Can I quantify it, nope. But I don't need to.
I don't need charts, numbers, and computers to produce "topshelf" medicine .
Maybe you do because you're not able to read plants, but hey that's your issue.
I don't give a FUCK who's circle jerk you're in, how many plants you tend to, how many tons of soil you work with, etc.
I've been watching your posts and you're a negative asshole who feels the need to wag your ego around to feel better about yourself when you don't agree. Go feed that shit elsewhere cause this dude doesn't stand for it. I'm tired of the rampant ego issues in the cannabis community, especially between the organic heads. It's pathetic

My ego ?? no there is a shit load of misinformation on this site ,, there has to be them people or members that correct it and there the ones that are the Assholes right ??
and you just said it but your plants tell you you must be the plant whisperer right ??? hahaha gie your head a shake dude in agriculture farmers get there test and for good reason to produce the best possible product and yield
I bet your right into teas Huh ?? i wonder why farmers do not add teas i know cause they had the proper ratio's of nutrients in there soil to begin with

 

[Darth Vapour]

And looking at my tests it clearly shows high phos and very low micro nutrient levels so with that said how many here actually know there micro levels b winging it and reading there plant owe there is a def i better make a tea

 

[Midwest Weedist]

My ego ?? no there is a shit load of misinformation on this site ,, there has to be them people or members that correct it and there the ones that are the Assholes right ??
and you just said it but your plants tell you you must be the plant whisperer right ??? hahaha gie your head a shake dude in agriculture farmers get there test and for good reason to produce the best possible product and yield
I bet your right into teas Huh ?? i wonder why farmers do not add teas i know cause they had the proper ratio's of nutrients in there soil to begin with

There is, but you're not some cannabis messiah to set us all straight. You're just another dude who's found himself in a position to claim superiority through numbers.
Farmers typically test their soil because they're going to rain a fuck ton of chemicals on their already chemically fucked land.
Teas are some of the greatest tools we have in organics, to state their not is just silly. Are they necessary though, absolutely not. Compost teas are the most beneficial, in my experience, in situations where soil mass isn't high enough to produce and host enough beneficial organisms.
We can do this back and forth on the specifics of my techniques all day man, but where's it going? You're not going to find any major faults or fallacies in my style / knowledge. And I don't say that from an egotistical standpoint, I know I'm not perfect ,no one is or can be.

 

[Darth Vapour]

what i am trying to say from my tests is clearly shows i am moving into the right direction rather then going at it blind and to correct you on tonnage its 48 tons of soil i work with a year

 

[MetalHead19]

Here is my soil recipe, some of the numbers are incomplete but I got lazy http://1drv.ms/1N5Segw (this is a link to online excel where the recipe is saved)
I know it's way over the top and there's a lot of stigma with the guanos, blood meal, etc but I wanted diversity not only in microbial life but in feed times (immediate and long term feed). So far with the soil recipe I have kept a fairly large mother sustained without feed or teas for about 2 1/2 months with minor yellowing occurring now, probably due to the lack of biological activity, I feel if I add some compost tea it will begin to make the nutrients more available again.

This recipe is very new and I have only used it on the Toxic Blue mother but damn is she stanky and crazy, no abnormal growth and the stalks are rock hard without training.She is a little on the dark side but not terribly.(I am sticking with the strain Toxic Blue 33, it has amazing qualities and I want to study it thoroughly)

I plan on doing an outdoor grow in a 15 gallon pot and I don't think I'll go with anything larger than the 3.4 gallon Superoots air pots indoors.

This is the first time I will be doing an outdoor grow so it will give me a chance to collect some data on the soil. I feel that I'll have to topdress later in the season as I can only imagine that plants will consume a large amount of nutrients quickly and replace most of the soil volume with roots. I think I'll use a mixture of all the amendments in the mix at a rate of 1 Tbsp per gallon of soil for topdress mixed in with some castings and compost for good decomposition.

I'm not sure if I should do no till as I'm not experienced with the practice. I feel like the old root mass would take forever to decompose, using these pots the roots get quite ridiculous. I also feel with no till that variable nutrient pockets are probable. While the plant would most likely use most of the nutrients out of the lower section of the pot quickly then if your only topdressing it will take forever for that mass to reach throughout the pot? I feel like tumbling the soil would reduce the likeliness of uneven nutrient pockets. And if the root mass were to take up a majority of the planter then how would you know what is left? which brings me back to square one...how much additive to use when soil recycling? Brian turning to mush...lol

 

[Midwest Weedist]

Here is my soil recipe, some of the numbers are incomplete but I got lazy http://1drv.ms/1N5Segw (this is a link to online excel where the recipe is saved)
I know it's way over the top and there's a lot of stigma with the guanos, blood meal, etc but I wanted diversity not only in microbial life but in feed times (immediate and long term feed). So far with the soil recipe I have kept a fairly large mother sustained without feed or teas for about 2 1/2 months with minor yellowing occurring now, probably due to the lack of biological activity, I feel if I add some compost tea it will begin to make the nutrients more available again.

This recipe is very new and I have only used it on the Toxic Blue mother but damn is she stanky and crazy, no abnormal growth and the stalks are rock hard without training.She is a little on the dark side but not terribly.(I am sticking with the strain Toxic Blue 33, it has amazing qualities and I want to study it thoroughly)

I plan on doing an outdoor grow in a 15 gallon pot and I don't think I'll go with anything larger than the 3.4 gallon Superoots air pots indoors.

This is the first time I will be doing an outdoor grow so it will give me a chance to collect some data on the soil. I feel that I'll have to topdress later in the season as I can only imagine that plants will consume a large amount of nutrients quickly and replace most of the soil volume with roots. I think I'll use a mixture of all the amendments in the mix at a rate of 1 Tbsp per gallon of soil for topdress mixed in with some castings and compost for good decomposition.

I'm not sure if I should do no till as I'm not experienced with the practice. I feel like the old root mass would take forever to decompose, using these pots the roots get quite ridiculous. I also feel with no till that variable nutrient pockets are probable. While the plant would most likely use most of the nutrients out of the lower section of the pot quickly then if your only topdressing it will take forever for that mass to reach throughout the pot? I feel like tumbling the soil would reduce the likeliness of uneven nutrient pockets. And if the root mass were to take up a majority of the planter then how would you know what is left? which brings me back to square one...how much additive to use when soil recycling? Brian turning to mush...lol

I'm going to fully reply to this one my break, but in regards to your concerns over notill and available nutrients / tumbling or "tilling" your soil. Look up what a soil food web is, this should give you a bit better understanding of how that would work in a notill planter.

 

[Darth Vapour]

^^^ those tests is organic soil water only again them lush green forests are at equilibrium everything works hand in hand like mother nature intended ,, Hence organics
when we alter that in some way or form is it natural anymore ?? i beg to differ, we try our best to replicate but its never really the same people add Guano to there foreign soils but is it natural for that region ?? NOPE its not
true living soil takes years to accomplish not months or weeks

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Oh I've popped hundreds of beans by now and have never found a single mutation, aside from my Yunnan landrace that threw the most perfectly symmetrical 8 bladed leaf.




If I'm correct, the Mongy strain is where the abc and duckfoot originated. Supposedly the mongy was a Aussie landrace that was crossed with a multitude of indicas and sativas by some old Aussie couple who found, then later gifted it to a friend when they were too old too grow. He supposedly crossed it with a Flo and then those seeds were passed around,especially by Marc Emery (I probably butchered his name).


One day I plan to get my hands on some of djs blue line. And not just for the mutations! I have absolutely loved every single strain that had some of the blue genetics in them.

I remember seeing the duckfoot on sannies website, not sure if they still have it though.

 

[st0wandgrow]

What size planters are you using ??? WTF does that got to do with anything if you got proper ratio's in your soil 1 gallon or 800 gallon is going to be the same ratio of nutrients it will take care of the plant .. Common sense comes into the equation if plant out grows pot . Don't you think ??

You reported my post? What a pansy!

 

[AllDayToker]

Hey if none of us are using chemicals and we are all growing healthy and happy plants, then what's the fuss here? Cmon now lol.

 

[Joedank]

My ego ?? no there is a shit load of misinformation on this site ,, there has to be them people or members that correct it and there the ones that are the Assholes right ??
and you just said it but your plants tell you you must be the plant whisperer right ??? hahaha gie your head a shake dude in agriculture farmers get there test and for good reason to produce the best possible product and yield
I bet your right into teas Huh ?? i wonder why farmers do not add teas i know cause they had the proper ratio's of nutrients in there soil to begin with

ask Dr elaine ingram how many farmers "use teas" lol 1 lbs of vermicastings and 4 grams of succanate per 5 gallons at a o.r.p. of 550 your golden the right amt of fagellets and nemetoads have been found in black sedge peat bubbled...so vermi is sometimes a free for all of pros for the soil monthly....anywho you sound like your part of the dying breed BLINDLY following OLD science.....
do you Foliar with amino acids?? take advantage / massage the krebs cycle ?? 4 years ago i was dealing with these topics now there are new frontiers in probiotic/ biodynamic / actiomycictic gardening ...
peace ...

 

[Darth Vapour]

for someone that finally has good growing tomatoes your words ring hollow Dank

Joedank Howdy sweet mamma miss the rad verrrt porn veggies go well this season my tomatos are doin great for the first time ever!
Oct 27, 2014

 

[Joedank]

for someone that finally has good growing tomatoes your words ring hollow Dank

Joedank Howdy sweet mamma miss the rad verrrt porn veggies go well this season my tomatos are doin great for the first time ever!
Oct 27, 2014

i had just moved from norther cali to 7200 ft in colorado and only grew cannabis in my greenhouses a hailstorm in july 2011 and snow in 2012 shut us down ... did not even try in 2013 all cannabis and peppers....not worth the seeds till i had ghouse space but did you look at the weed i was pumping out ??? 3 lbs a week of c02 (from my inLine hot water heater )pumped DANK...

i post mostly at ICmag because of people like you .... go back to your blood and bone / saved by chems and PGR'S OPeration

 

[Darth Vapour]

I See i grow around the 60 th parallel and your point is ??

 

[Joedank]

I See i grow around the 60 th parallel and your point is ??

dude i do a farmers market i could not in good faith sell anything you pictured to the public . the regulars would just straight ask for hlf off ...
lets move the story closer to home .
i was at the Build a soild warehouse yesterday . i gotta say they source some of the finest soil ammendments and cutting edge crop science food . left with the TM-7 , myco, and a 13% N amino foliar from india that looks good for turf and veggies in full sun... i will be trying to do a custom mix with them as the owner was quite accomadating to all my questions and the folks he employed were local cats . nice clean shop . kinda know it allish but dont yopu gotta be in this industry??
the heart is in the right place IMO.... as for the mars LEDS he only has them cuz he uses them says his margin is 4% on them so he may dorp them if that goes away...wish the bags they have are more durable but it all goes into jars amd bins... i rambel...

 

[drekoushranada]

Has anybody tried the geo pots fabric grow beds indoors yet? I'm looking at these for my first no till/organic run.

 

[Midwest Weedist]

Has anybody tried the geo pots fabric grow beds indoors yet? I'm looking at these for my first no till/organic run.

Been considering this for about 6 months now.

dude i do a farmers market i could not in good faith sell anything you pictured to the public . the regulars would just straight ask for hlf off ...
lets move the story closer to home .
i was at the Build a soild warehouse yesterday . i gotta say they source some of the finest soil ammendments and cutting edge crop science food . left with the TM-7 , myco, and a 13% N amino foliar from india that looks good for turf and veggies in full sun... i will be trying to do a custom mix with them as the owner was quite accomadating to all my questions and the folks he employed were local cats . nice clean shop . kinda know it allish but dont yopu gotta be in this industry??
the heart is in the right place IMO.... as for the mars LEDS he only has them cuz he uses them says his margin is 4% on them so he may dorp them if that goes away...wish the bags they have are more durable but it all goes into jars amd bins... i rambel...

Isn't their business located in Hawaii?