Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[DonBrennon]

Anyone have any suggestions? Can't quite figure this one out. I had similar looking leaves towards the end of flower last time and just chalked it up to fading / dying since it was at the very end.

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• 2nd round of 15 gallon no-till
• top dressed with light kelp, alfalfa, neem/karanja and ewc about 2 weeks ago
• problems showed up about 5 days ago after I stopped running the humidifier
• Blumats have been dialed in for months, I haven't really made any changes there but they are constantly moist to keep the soil and worms alive
• COBs at least 18" inches away
• Temp range about 68F to 80F in night vs day

Originally I figured the humidity got too low after I went on a work trip and stopped filling the humidifier. The humidity dropped to about 20-30%. Two days ago I did some research and concluded it was a low humidity making the leaves a bit ridgey, the serrated leaf tips pointed up and just overall droopiness. The leaves actually feel a bit dry too. I fired the humidifier back up, rH went to about 40%. I actually turned it up higher and have been sitting at 50-60% for a day but the plants looked a lot worse. Way more drop and claw shape.

Now I'm second guessing what is actually wrong! Humidity? I was thinking maybe a agsil16h / aloe foliar might cheer them up but I'll have to wait till tonight to spray them. Any thoughts?

My first thought when i see claw like that is over watering, I'd like to hear other opinions though

 

[DonBrennon]

@bizfactory ............check this out, I think you'll agree......http://www.growweedeasy.com/overwatering.................maybe you need to tone back the blumats a little if possible, not sure, never used em.

edit............on second thoughts, I'd turn the blumat's off completely until the plants perk up again

 

[bizfactory]

Ok, someone has also mentioned over watering but there is no run-off from the blumats so I figured it would be good. That would be a pretty easy fix if it's just too much water.

 

[Organicgrow42]

I know this are barely in flower but plants use less water at the end so maybe that's why you got that at the end last time.

My first thought for your pictures was over watering also

 

[bizfactory]

They looked much better last night but droppy again in the morning. I turned the blumats down and hit them with a weak aloe and agsil foliar.

 

[Organicgrow42]

I don't know much about bluemats...which ones do you use for what gallon capacity?

 

[bizfactory]

The reservoir size doesn't really matter but it's around 13 gallons. I use 2x Blumat Maxi spikes in each 15 gallon geo pot.

 

[Organicgrow42]

Have you used them long? How many runs?

 

[Midwest Weedist]

Never been a fan of auto watering, never seems to quite nail what a plant needs 100% as they drink more or less depending on a wide set of variables. Subirrigated planters work much better though.

 

[Rrog]

I'm a big fan. As long as the drip is based on need, not a timer.

 

[elkamino]

Subirrigated planters work much better though.

Do you use them with success? I'm a tired-of-it hand-waterer...

 

[MileHighGlassPipes]

I have seen many people run into issues with the standard coot neem/karanja, kelp, alfalfa, ewc, regime.

I first saw it with people in warehouses, and now am seeing it more in smaller growers. I personally don't use neem or karanja. I also top dress much different things than the people following the Coot paradigm.

My base top dress is fish meal, crab shells, kelp, alfalfa, azomite/basalt

I also use lavender, rosemary, nettles, comfrey, willow bark, yarrow, patchouli, and horsetail.

Here is a picture right before flipping. I have only top dressed my base mix, no plant based top dress yet.

 

[Rrog]

Please show us how Coots recipes are causing people to run into issues.

Anyone else out there having a bad time following Coots advice? Anyone?

 

[tyke1973]

Please show us how Coots recipes are causing people to run into issues.

Anyone else out there having a bad time following Coots advice? Anyone?

Look on you tube mendo dope do a great thread about living soil,really interesting the guy gives you a few organic tea options too,also a great thread that hunters of dank that jill does with a guy showing how to get high grade full melt sift from dry ice and using bubble bag's,time wreck one is just un real,put it this way i'm doing it with my next lot of trim and all the small buds

 

[MileHighGlassPipes]

Please show us how Coots recipes are causing people to run into issues.

Anyone else out there having a bad time following Coots advice? Anyone?

I can't show you as I don't use coots method. I have seen people have issues though.

I have seen people have great success with some of coot's methods. I have also seen people have to stop using the methods because of issues. There is no one answer for everyone.

 

[Rrog]

I call Bullshit

 

[tyke1973]

I have seen many people run into issues with the standard coot neem/karanja, kelp, alfalfa, ewc, regime.

I first saw it with people in warehouses, and now am seeing it more in smaller growers. I personally don't use neem or karanja. I also top dress much different things than the people following the Coot paradigm.

My base top dress is fish meal, crab shells, kelp, alfalfa, azomite/basalt

I also use lavender, rosemary, nettles, comfrey, willow bark, yarrow, patchouli, and horsetail.

Here is a picture right before flipping. I have only top dressed my base mix, no plant based top dress yet.View attachment 3638490

Now that is a colorful nugget

 

[MileHighGlassPipes]

I call Bullshit

Ok. That is your prerogative. I learned long ago not to fight with people on forums.

 

[elkamino]

Ok. That is your prerogative. I learned long ago not to fight with people on forums.

Along with learning not to fight on forums did you also learn to not do drive-by badmouthings of people? People who likely taught you things as a grower?

If you don't back up what you said, you come off as a shit talker, which I wouldn't expect from an advertiser, because its rude, maybe ruder than fighting, and would turn me off to your glass.

Instead be productive, elaborate on what the problems are you're referring to. I'm suspicious of your accusation but I would hear you out. My soil has morphed with time, started off as Subcool's but has been for 2 years turning into Coot's. Mostly my nugs rock but sometimes I have problems, but I'm only half-assed about ROLS as I break up my soil each run and don't run no-till. So there's variables but I was hoping you had some substance... in keeping with the first 365 pages of this thread. So please, elaborate, even if its just what you heard.

Obviously many here keep CC on a pedestal- from where he can only fall. I don't know him but I bet h'd be the first to ttell you that he still doesn't quite have everything perfectly dialed. Things keep happening, he and you and I all keep learning.

What you got?

 

[MileHighGlassPipes]

Along with learning not to fight on forums did you also learn to not do drive-by badmouthings of people? People who likely taught you things as a grower?

If you don't back up what you said, you come off as a shit talker, which I wouldn't expect from an advertiser, because its rude, maybe ruder than fighting, and would turn me off to your glass.

Instead be productive, elaborate on what the problems are you're referring to. I'm suspicious of your accusation but I would hear you out. My soil has morphed with time, started off as Subcool's but has been for 2 years turning into Coot's. Mostly my nugs rock but sometimes I have problems, but I'm only half-assed about ROLS as I break up my soil each run and don't run no-till. So there's variables but I was hoping you had some substance... in keeping with the first 365 pages of this thread. So please, elaborate, even if its just what you heard.

Obviously many here keep CC on a pedestal- from where he can only fall. I don't know him but I bet h'd be the first to ttell you that he still doesn't quite have everything perfectly dialed. Things keep happening, he and you and I all keep learning.

What you got?

All true. Unfortunately people put Coot, and others on pedestals as if they were gods. I come from a standard organic agriculture background. Not growing cannabis. Cannabis is only one of the things I grow. In standard agriculture coot's practices are a non-starter. Have you ever seen a farmer spray a hundred acre's of corn with aloe? Have you ever seen 20 acres of tomatos top dressed with malted barley? You get the drift.

I have conversed with coot(on social media). I do not hide what I say, and I do not change what I say because of a supposed status a person has. I was the one that tested neem cake, and have successfully grown fungus gnats in it. completely contrary to what everyone talks about. I first did this 4 years ago. Thus I don;t use it.

Right now, coot's style is the current fad with the cannabis growers. It will change. It always does.