Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[DonBrennon]

This must be some fookin book!!!!!!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1875093044?refRID=QYNJKEN5FWB5E16QFEKE&ref_=pd_cart_vw_1_4_bo

anyone care to buy it? and share it with us?..............LOL................I know...........copyright laws and all...............oh or you could buy this newer version for a mere :$1,302.76+ $3.99 shipping.........hahaha, can you believe they're charging $4 shipping on a $1000+ book............it's possible there's a typo error, but if so, the proof reader needs sacking. lol.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1875093419/ref=tmm_hrd_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=&sr=

 

[DonBrennon]

This is what I'm up against here in the UK, apparently organic farming only started in 1946...................errrrr?????.................what were they doing before the invention of oil based synthetics??????????...................and I think this is an official EU website
http://www.ifoam-eu.org/en/united-kingdom........These people are giving organic accreditation/certification within the EU.

This bit turned into a drawn out political rant about the EU and our membership, which doesn't belong here and got deleted LOL, but here's a very brief outline - Good philosophy, good ideology, centralisation of power, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. EU already totally corrupt and hate the British. Get the fuck out..........LOL

I also came across this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neptunes-Harvest-Crab-Shell-Multi-Purpose-Plant-Food-2-3-0-4lb-/161985741909?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

yep, thats right, just $142 + postage for a 4Lb bag of crabshell meal............WTAF??????

On a more possitive note, I think somebody over here is on to something and has beat me to it, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're a member of one of these forums. Not too sure about the sulphates he's adding, but good amendments are so! difficult to come by over here................I'd love to know where his crabshell/crustacean meal is coming from

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-Magic-SUPER-SOIL-from-Nutty-Nutes-BUDS-CHITIN-2KG-/301868793489?hash=item4648c83e91:g:HokAAOSwa-dWmATc

 

[2ANONYMOUS]

lol Interesting i get a kick out of how and Yes even MJ growers make something narural into a cluster fuck
Now being straight up and with over 40 years of growing Exp some food for thought
Do not over think organics that will be your downfall
the best investment you will ever make is purchasing couple pounds of live worms as well as couple totes
First thing anyone that wants to go organic should plan on having things ready , this is why i suggest worm bins and the beginning of your soil making process

Step one - purchase top soil and sterilize it
Step 2 - collect all your veggie scraps , including used coffee grinds an even some used or cooked fats
step 3 purchase 3 bins i suggest 30 gallon totes min one for each green s and browns as well as your intial worm bin
Step 4 start of worm bin and your soil put 10 gallons of sterilized soil into bin mix 3 gallons of greens and browns into it ,
water it and mix to get perfect dam mixture and cover for 24 hrs in 60 - 65 degree temp room

Step 5 find brown card board and chop it up or shred it and also mix into dam soil Attention add another 3 gallons of water to make up for the soaking of cardboard

Step 6 add your worms carefully mix them into mix , once all done place leafs and news print on top cover tote do not close just cover and your off to the races

Within a month that one worm bin farm will be 3 worm bin farms and with that every time you add more greens remember add more sterilized soil make it damp mix it into existing worm bins before you now it
you will have 90 gallons of living soil

PS treat them some times with a nice tea of what ever you choose but remember don't make them lazy
There you have it folks Keep it simple and keep it green 2 week no till flowering girls 2 weeks under T5 then 2 weeks under 600 n flip 18 gallon pots there beasts

 

[DonBrennon]

lol Interesting i get a kick out of how and Yes even MJ growers make something narural into a cluster fuck
Now being straight up and with over 40 years of growing Exp some food for thought
Do not over think organics that will be your downfall
the best investment you will ever make is purchasing couple pounds of live worms as well as couple totes
First thing anyone that wants to go organic should plan on having things ready , this is why i suggest worm bins and the beginning of your soil making process

Step one - purchase top soil and sterilize it
Step 2 - collect all your veggie scraps , including used coffee grinds an even some used or cooked fats
step 3 purchase 3 bins i suggest 30 gallon totes min one for each green s and browns as well as your intial worm bin
Step 4 start of worm bin and your soil put 10 gallons of sterilized soil into bin mix 3 gallons of greens and browns into it ,
water it and mix to get perfect dam mixture and cover for 24 hrs in 60 - 65 degree temp room

Step 5 find brown card board and chop it up or shred it and also mix into dam soil Attention add another 3 gallons of water to make up for the soaking of cardboard

Step 6 add your worms carefully mix them into mix , once all done place leafs and news print on top cover tote do not close just cover and your off to the races

Within a month that one worm bin farm will be 3 worm bin farms and with that every time you add more greens remember add more sterilized soil make it damp mix it into existing worm bins before you now it
you will have 90 gallons of living soil

PS treat them some times with a nice tea of what ever you choose but remember don't make them lazy
There you have it folks Keep it simple and keep it green 2 week no till flowering girls 2 weeks under T5 then 2 weeks under 600 n flip 18 gallon pots there beasts View attachment 3625022 View attachment 3625025 View attachment 3625033 View attachment 3625034

I like...................but what do you mean by sterilized soil? thermal composted? how do you sterilize soil?

 

[DonBrennon]

I am a little confused on this one. I think I can buy sterilized organic topsoil, but doesn't sterilizsing soil kind of defeat the object of what we're trying to do?

 

[2ANONYMOUS]

I am a little confused on this one. I think I can buy sterilized organic topsoil, but doesn't sterilizsing soil kind of defeat the object of what we're trying to do?

Not when your starting from scratch does not take much to recharge sterilized soil
any new top soil we get we run it in the oven, then mix it accordingly to live soil this way it not only insures us that all bad organisms are dead and our percentage of not getting fungas , mold spores etc its always a safe bet to have piece of mind rather then reading some mis guided lies on a product that says sterilized soil

Its cover your ass and make sure its sterile

 

[AllDayToker]

Homemade cobs for the win. Made my own light as well and has already showed improvements over my HPS, even with my last harvest having so much trouble.

 

[bizfactory]

Homemade cobs for the win. Made my own light as well and has already showed improvements over my HPS, even with my last harvest having so much trouble.

I'm running 100% COBs split between CXB3590s, CXB3070s, Vero 29s and Vero 18s

Add some living soil and some blumats and it basically grows itself!!

 

[AllDayToker]

I'm running 100% COBs split between CXB3590s, CXB3070s, Vero 29s and Vero 18s

Add some living soil and some blumats and it basically grows itself!!

Yeah I want to do blumats or some kind of watering system next.

Right now I'm running 8 cxb3070s. 50w each. Covers 13 sqft and getting better results with less then half the electric being used compared to last setup.

Absolutely love them.

 

[2ANONYMOUS]

Oh cmon guys Cobs are just a light Although lights are important to any grow room so is environment . You can have the best lighting and soil in the world if your environment is fucked She ain't going to grow for shit
There is a shit load of mis conceptions i mean really .
biggest being what Efficiency ??? and although they are more effiicient there not by a mile
For instance bulding 6000 watts of Cob units with them being 52 percent efficient ????
Can any one tell me WTF the other 48 percent is ??? so that throws out the well with HPS i do not need to vent WTF Again all grow rooms its one of the most important things is
air exchange
And if wwe break it down even further it takes 800 watts of Cobs to compete with a mogul 1000 watt unit and sure the hell not coming close to a DE unit
i mean really 800 watt cob 1.5 GPW = 1200 grams
1000 mag balast 1180 dry grams
PS : my best 2000 watt grow mag ballast just under 8 pounds dry difference between the 2
about 60 plants lol i mean how many plants can you or think you can stuff under 800 watts of cobs 80 ??? with 5 week veg

Cobs have been around now for some time and surely know one is killing HPS its all the closet growers seeing gains
Ask your self why
not here to start bashing nothing just stating FAT from the thousands of journals all over the internet with mag's DE as well as Cob grows
For the cost its not much gains when you really truly break it down
and Sick and tired of the science on it sure it looks good on paper and in theory but just have to look at actual
I am so looking forward in doing a side by side 140 plants vegged 5 weeks with 70 with 800 worth of cobs or Equivilant 1000 WATT i will run a 1000 watt mag unit with 5 week veg 70 plants parabolic 6 foot hood and then the numbers will be seen I would put money on the 1000 watt parabolic it will do 1360 - 1400 dry grams compared to the cob 1000 watt which is 800 watts in cobs @ 1200 dry grams half a pound is a half a pound and lets not forget that mag 1000 watt only cost 150 bucks compared to 800 watts in cobs 2500

 

[AllDayToker]

Not reading all of that but they call it more efficient for a point. First you musto understand the term.

The fact is cobs produce less heat and take less to cool down, and there for, can use more of its power it's given to put off actual usable light/lumens. So watt per watt there is more lumens.

If they doesn't give you enough. Look at the yields, the grams per watt.

Getting the most bang for your buck, that's efficiency!

 

[bizfactory]

For instance bulding 6000 watts of Cob units with them being 52 percent efficient ????
Can any one tell me WTF the other 48 percent is ??? so that throws out the well with HPS i do not need to vent WTF Again all grow rooms its one of the most important things is
air exchange

Hahaha oh man, the other 48% is heat, it's not a mystery. No one is telling you your lights suck, chill dude. We are just happy with our COBs

 

[AllDayToker]

Hahaha oh man, the other 48% is heat, it's not a mystery. No one is telling you your lights suck, chill dude. We are just happy with our COBs

It's funny what people say when they don't fully understand what they are talking about.

 

[testiclees]

@2ANONYMOUS

Dude is stating fat from 1000's of journals? GTFOH
Lol
you have zero clue. Give the witless lecturing a rest burro.

Your plants look average. Your photography blows

 

[hyroot]

Oh cmon guys Cobs are just a light Although lights are important to any grow room so is environment . You can have the best lighting and soil in the world if your environment is fucked She ain't going to grow for shit
There is a shit load of mis conceptions i mean really .
biggest being what Efficiency ??? and although they are more effiicient there not by a mile
For instance bulding 6000 watts of Cob units with them being 52 percent efficient ????
Can any one tell me WTF the other 48 percent is ??? so that throws out the well with HPS i do not need to vent WTF Again all grow rooms its one of the most important things is
air exchange
And if wwe break it down even further it takes 800 watts of Cobs to compete with a mogul 1000 watt unit and sure the hell not coming close to a DE unit
i mean really 800 watt cob 1.5 GPW = 1200 grams
1000 mag balast 1180 dry grams
PS : my best 2000 watt grow mag ballast just under 8 pounds dry difference between the 2
about 60 plants lol i mean how many plants can you or think you can stuff under 800 watts of cobs 80 ??? with 5 week veg

Cobs have been around now for some time and surely know one is killing HPS its all the closet growers seeing gains
Ask your self why
not here to start bashing nothing just stating FAT from the thousands of journals all over the internet with mag's DE as well as Cob grows
For the cost its not much gains when you really truly break it down
and Sick and tired of the science on it sure it looks good on paper and in theory but just have to look at actual
I am so looking forward in doing a side by side 140 plants vegged 5 weeks with 70 with 800 worth of cobs or Equivilant 1000 WATT i will run a 1000 watt mag unit with 5 week veg 70 plants parabolic 6 foot hood and then the numbers will be seen I would put money on the 1000 watt parabolic it will do 1360 - 1400 dry grams compared to the cob 1000 watt which is 800 watts in cobs @ 1200 dry grams half a pound is a half a pound and lets not forget that mag 1000 watt only cost 150 bucks compared to 800 watts in cobs 2500

The other 48% is heat. An average se 1000w hps is about 25% -'30% efficient. That means basically that the 1000w is only producing 250-300 watts of light and 700-750 watts of heat. More efficient = less heat. 600 watts of cobs at 52% efficiency is producing 322 watts of light and 278 watts of heat.

Go to the led section and look at older threads. The side by side has been done to death.

 

[2ANONYMOUS]

It's funny what people say when they don't fully understand what they are talking about.

dude don't go there i probably thrown more weed away then most will ever grow lol seriously
people are making cobs out like there the only light tht will grow dank weed
would love to see your Cob grow cause i bet its just so really impressive
put up or shut

 

[AllDayToker]

You clearly don't know what you are talking about and it's funny. I'm not going anywhere.

Those pics look great in wouldn't disagree.

I would agree with the fact that the GPW from a cob system will be higher, if not much higher, then a fully dialed in system.

I can pull more weight from my 400w system then I could with a Chinese cob 190w with my old 600w hps.

Not to mention how much better my plants look without the aggressive output and heat HIDs have.

 

[2ANONYMOUS]

The other 48% is heat. An average se 1000w hps is about 25% -'30% efficient. That means basically that the 1000w is only producing 250-300 watts of light and 700-750 watts of heat. More efficient = less heat. 600 watts of cobs at 52% efficiency is producing 322 watts of light and 278 watts of heat.

Go to the led section and look at older threads. The side by side has been done to death.

for many Jedi growers heat is important are you aware for every 10 degrees in heat the metabolic or plant growth rates doubles no wonder when i look at my 2 week old clones transplanted there usually double the size of any cob let alone most plant
@ 4 week old there is no comparison

Lets do the math seriously what are 400 watt cob units getting ??? looking at most grows there getting what 1.5 now one can say well that 400 is replacing a 600 watt Hid
So 1.5 with 400 watt now i will make sure i post my final results under 600 hid i am sure i will hit 900 grams
Was talking to old buddy Heath the other day he we both chuckled going to be a long time before we see over 2.2

i did 1.8 with 2000 watts mag ballast
Just trying to say is cob alone is not going to get you better Yields that is plain thinking stupid shit lot more that needs to be addressed like VPD , proper C02 uptake awe shit not even going to get into it
lol still waiting on mechontronics heat sinks but presently erecting a green house and getting out door ready will fuck around with cob in fall lol and do a side by side hell maybe side by side green house grow but for now its get green house up and playing with some soils trying some different things this year like using Urea and some Anhydrous Ammonia with nitrification inhibitors so got lots of soil to make 25 plants 300 gallons of soil each

 

[2ANONYMOUS]

at the end of the day its all about this right

 

[hyroot]

for many Jedi growers heat is important are you aware for every 10 degrees in heat the metabolic or plant growth rates doubles no wonder when i look at my 2 week old clones transplanted there usually double the size of any cob let alone most plant
@ 4 week old there is no comparison

Lets do the math seriously what are 400 watt cob units getting ??? looking at most grows there getting what 1.5 now one can say well that 400 is replacing a 600 watt Hid
So 1.5 with 400 watt now i will make sure i post my final results under 600 hid i am sure i will hit 900 grams
Was talking to old buddy Heath the other day he we both chuckled going to be a long time before we see over 2.2

i did 1.8 with 2000 watts mag ballast
Just trying to say is cob alone is not going to get you better Yields that is plain thinking stupid shit lot more that needs to be addressed like VPD , proper C02 uptake awe shit not even going to get into it
lol still waiting on mechontronics heat sinks but presently erecting a green house and getting out door ready will fuck around with cob in fall lol and do a side by side hell maybe side by side green house grow but for now its get green house up and playing with some soils trying some different things this year like using Urea and some Anhydrous Ammonia with nitrification inhibitors so got lots of soil to make 25 plants 300 gallons of soil each

Yes. The 10 degree temp increase on the leafs surface doesn't necessarily mean ambient temp. You can use 730 nm IR light to increase leaf temp on the leaf surface but also need to increase co2 levels as well.

Unless we're growing the exact same strain / pheno with exact same medium and methods. You can't compare yield from your grow to mine.