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ArcticGranite said:

Maybe this pertains to both.
I wasn't voting for Clinton, period.
Trumps main appeal to me was work/jobs/employment.
I see this as helping the citizens and the government the most.
Im already very gainfully employed and my career is in demand. The job appeal doesn't really benefit me any further. In fact if he pushes hard for right to work and I think he may, that will actually harm workers imo.
A tax break will put a few more bucks in my pocket but isn't what I'd consider a personal benefit.

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You still haven't answered ttystk's question. You said jobs but you already have one and you might disagree with trumps actual policy there but what do you think trump is gonna do for you?

esh dov ets said:

I guess i'm still interested in who you may be. I am interested in who nazi soldiers where. Turns out many of thoose people where just following orders or where indoctrinated. Many however demonized themselves though when they threw their support behind hitler and what he was selling and when they refused to do right when given the opportunity. You demonized yourself by aligning yourself with his current politics. If you don't care enough to stand against any of it you are a follower a collaborator or have been woefully mislead into being a follower or a collaborator. I understand you didn't like the non nazis but you voted for the nazis. I am curious what excuse you have for that. I know some pretty devout trump supporters all white christian anti abortion and more. I know where they are coming from and i disagree with them. They belive in unity and equal rights and the dignaty of native americans however and can think for them selfs and are generally good people .I do not understand a gay or black or muslim trump supporter. Although i have known jewish white supremacists.

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esh dov ets said:

Fuck it. I just disagree

Work jobs employment are the same thing. He also ran on muslim ban wall prolife propunishment pro torture prohate . Progun anti-intenational cooperation. Big sleazeball prorussia prohacking very big on propaganda. Most of the the reason people hate hillary so much was the propaganda and spin. She was cleaner then most polititions including many presidents certainly less curropt then trump. You got played now you are trying to play others.

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Liberals and conservatives are different ends of the spectrum. I read a lot here, way more than I post, trying to gain understanding of different views. It's funny that sometimes the only common denominator is cannabis. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I accept that you don't like Trump, his policies, his voters or voters views.

esh dov ets said:

You still haven't answered ttystk's question. You said jobs but you already have one and you might disagree with trumps actual policy there but what do you think trump is gonna do for you?

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You're missing it. He's not "doing" really anything for "me".
I think what he can do for the country, jobs, is what's needed.
That first and foremost is what he "does" for me.

ArcticGranite said:

Liberals and conservatives are different ends of the spectrum. I read a lot here, way more than I post, trying to gain understanding of different views. It's funny that sometimes the only common denominator is cannabis. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I accept that you don't like Trump, his policies, his voters or voters views.

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I really wanna be compassionate with the more inocent trumpers but it is really hard when they are standing agianst my core values. Like i said i know some trumpers i even have repect for them. I have met some really cruel folks too in my day and they are also called by trump. What getts me most about the loud trumpers is that they are for all of it , the wall the drilling the racist pollicys (though they claim they are not racist) no criticism of trump by trumpers. You fucks just give him a pass. I don't hate all all trump supporters and I don't disagree with all Republicans and i don't agree with all democrats. I don't need to be in a group to tell me how to vote. Thats the tarnished beauty of a free world, that individuals can make up there own mind and inspire others to make up their own mind but we try to frame our world with democracy and then we subvert that democracy with a two party system kept in place by money and the corporations with the money and the corporations and the polititians intrests are not for the greater good they are for the good of the oligarchy and the short term

ArcticGranite said:

You're missing it. He's not "doing" really anything for "me".
I think what he can do for the country, jobs, is what's needed.
That first and foremost is what he "does" for me.

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How selfless of you. Have you thought much about what he is doing to this country? Polorizing dividing its people taking advantage of its people. Violating the human rights of its people. Alienating fans of the usa as he pisses off the rest of the world destabilizing it and our country in the process. Going against such American values as equality. People like to say we are a country founded by immagrants not a country foundeed by thieves and murderers. But both are true. Trump picks up where the Native American Holocaust left off, some where after the trail of tears right around standing rock.

I most likely reject some of your core values, compassion not needed. I thought
"the wall" was idiotic. Like holy shit he said he'd build it! Now it doesn't seem that far fetched. If it's built and if it's effective in controlling border entry then it'll be a success in my book. That's not racist imo. Nor is the current immigration/refugee policy imo. The lions share of constitutional power on immigration does reside with POTUS. External terrorism threats persist. 44 thought so and so does 45. Our two party system is dysfunctional and needs overhauled. Citizens need more viable choices in candidates. Lobbying is fucked too and that's something Trump is dealing with.

ArcticGranite said:

I most likely reject some of your core values, compassion not needed. I thought
"the wall" was idiotic. Like holy shit he said he'd build it! Now it doesn't seem that far fetched. If it's built and if it's effective in controlling border entry then it'll be a success in my book. That's not racist imo. Nor is the current immigration/refugee policy imo. The lions share of constitutional power on immigration does reside with POTUS. External terrorism threats persist. 44 thought so and so does 45. Our two party system is dysfunctional and needs overhauled. Citizens need more viable choices in candidates. Lobbying is fucked too and that's something Trump is dealing with.

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You almost had me until you suggested that trump is dealing with lobying. You mean hes draining ths swamp but thats one of the baldest lies. It used to be the lobbiests lobied for their causes and ther was corruption now hes just hireing the lobbiests to run the government.

About 5% of the population are wired so that they are incapable of feeling empathy, give up trying to change the minds of these soulless genetic freaks.

esh dov ets said:

How selfless of you. Have you thought much about what he is doing to this country? Polorizing dividing its people taking advantage of its people. Violating the human rights of its people. Alienating fans of the usa as he pisses off the rest of the world destabilizing it and our country in the process. Going against such American values as equality. People like to say we are a country founded by immagrants not a country foundeed by thieves and murderers. But both are true. Trump picks up where the Native American Holocaust left off, some where after the trail of tears right around standing rock.

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The current division in the country is very unsettling to me. I don't see near the abuse you recount in your post though. I see Trump enforcing law as written and folks losing their minds over it. The divisiveness is huge. I still think Trump needs to stay the course and persist. Enforce our laws. Secure our borders. Put folks to work.

esh dov ets said:

You almost had me until you suggested that trump is dealing with lobying. You mean hes draining ths swamp but thats one of the baldest lies. It used to be the lobbiests lobied for their causes and ther was corruption now hes just hireing the lobbiests to run the government.

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One of his many recent EO's is preventative against lobbying unless I'm mistaken.


First: I am going to re-institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for 5 years after they leave government service. I am going to ask Congress to pass this ban into law so that it cannot be lifted by executive order.

Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.

Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.

Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.

ArcticGranite said:

I most likely reject some of your core values, compassion not needed. I thought Trump is dealing with.

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Thats one thing i was trying to establish; do you disagree with me on politics or core beliefs.
Core beliefs are such as , all humans have a right to breath clean air
Politics are more like, clean air should be afoarded to all except when prior conditions do not allow it or said air is being used for an aproaved project deemed benificial some how probably to and by the counsel that grants such rights
And blindly suporting politics sounds like, thats all necessary because if the counsel dosent have clean air none of us can breath and there would be anarchy.

ArcticGranite said:

One of his many recent EO's is preventative against lobbying unless I'm mistaken.


First: I am going to re-institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for 5 years after they leave government service. I am going to ask Congress to pass this ban into law so that it cannot be lifted by executive order.

Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.

Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.

Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.

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Did you know someone already did that recently. And that it is all political talk and will not bring the change that our beloved left is talking about.?

ArcticGranite said:

You're missing it. He's not "doing" really anything for "me".
I think what he can do for the country, jobs, is what's needed.
That first and foremost is what he "does" for me.

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He won't benefit you but you're okay with his racist and fascist policies. You sell that with or without the bull that made it?

No he won't bring back jobs- and if his job creation record ends up being positive AT ALL, let alone better than Mr Obama's, them I'll give you full credit.

Before you bring it up, the Carrier Co publicity stunt and the others like it were just that. He did nothing to ensure jobs stayed here. If you think it did, by all means please share your logic.

He's a fascist and a kleptocrat. Not only are you his his little neonazi apologist, but you actually continue to support him while he steals from YOU!

It is good to be King. As long as it lasts...

ArcticGranite said:

One of his many recent EO's is preventative against lobbying unless I'm mistaken.


First: I am going to re-institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for 5 years after they leave government service. I am going to ask Congress to pass this ban into law so that it cannot be lifted by executive order.

Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.

Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.

Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.

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Anyway the problem is not that thsome of the lobbiests represent private orcor corporate interests its that those interests are allowed to pay the polititians. You allow everyone to lobby you disallow lobbiests from funding polititians.

UncleBuck said:

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good thing we banned muslims.

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and heard he was a big online troll. Maybe he was one of the assholes that had come on here.

ttystikk said:

He did nothing to ensure jobs stayed here.

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we usually agree TTY but the robots that Carrier are going to buy with the 7 million from Indianans will definitely stay put. Hell, they might even pick up a second job at McD's slinging Big Macs.

rkymtnman said:

we usually agree TTY but the robots that Carrier are going to buy with the 7 million from Indianans will definitely stay put. Hell, they might even pick up a second job at McD's slinging Big Macs.

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The way to create jobs in an increasingly automated economy is to educate the would be employees.

ttystikk said:

The way to create jobs in an increasingly automated economy is to educate the would be employees.

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not with DeVos at the helm. our education will only get worse.

my point was in jest. of course those robots aren't going anywhere! 3 jobs created!!!

I know of tons of high paying jobs vacant as I type. Skills are the problem. It's funny how most talk about the "jobs" that left have never worked those "jobs". Armchair quarterbacks. I talked to a lady my age who works at a donut shop and McDonald's. She says she will never retire. Her fault. My fault that I made it to retirement. I feel guilty but I was studying while she was hitting the bars. She is a mad trumpster. You trumpsters keep up the good work. No clue...