cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If yer growing "Kouche". cn
Proof That a Democracy Does Not Work
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If yer growing "Kouche". cn
cannabineer
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It started out that way, but it morphed. If it were true to its roots, i could no longer draw money. I depend on SSDI, but I'll call it what it is. cn
canndo
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Ink and a few others convinced me to take another look at Johnson, I believe I am going to vote for him as well. We must finally start encouraging alternatives to the system we have now. I suspect that a vote for Johnson will not have a detrimental effect on Obama's win and I know how poorly we faired after Nader siphoned votes from Gore but I still believe that we must begin to have a longer view of our candidates and national elections.
Fungus Gnat
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It is an entitlement program to argue it isn't is bizarre. There's no difference between it and other entitlement programs, all are supported by taxes, well other than it being popular. People will often receive far more in benefits than they ever paid into it. So no it's not "a differed retirement program."
canndo
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I am no longer thinking about the particulars of Obama vs Romney. It struck me that Obama promised 4.5 million new jobs during his next term. Wait, that is the number of jobs that will likely occur under either president.
this election is really about the future of the Republican party. I believe that the economy will turn around during this next term regardless of who wins. I have an editorial written in 08 by Dick Morris. In it he says that it was lucky that the Dems won because the economy was going into the shit can and at least the Dems would be blamed.
I want to see the Dems seem responsible for the upturn. I want to see the Republican's suffer the realization by the population that their ideas are defunct, inapplicable in modern society. I want to see them forced to reasess their having been hyjacked by the religious right and the Tea Party and the Dominionists.
If, by chance Romney wins and the ecnomy turns around in spite of him we will see no end to the dismantling of legitimate government functions and no end to their self righteous justifications.
canndo
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This is absolutely wrong. We can see how a single supreme court decision has influenced this election with the amount of money poured into it. We can see that special interests backed by millions of dollars can sway opinion regardless of the truth.
We saw what SCOTUS did to the notion of eminent domain, we see how it affects anyone who for any reason runs afoul of the law - and we as a community in RIU tend to "run afoul of the law" more than other law abiding citizens. The Supreme court matters all the time in hundreds of ways but espeicaly to those who have no refuge.
canndo
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"ALL"? no, not all, not even close to all, the vote was along ideological lines with only Roberts taking the alternative side. SCOTUS is not bought and paid for, they a are alone in that among the other branches. Your observations in this case have little to do with reality.
canndo
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Politics is our national sport sipp, one of the reasons we retain the title of most powerful country on earth is because of that sport. Other countries depend upon how we vote and what those we vote for do when they get elected. I should think that you would be interested. We are the gorilla in the room, our economy directly affects your own, our debt affects the world, our military can drop into every burg and city in a few hours. Our missiles, need I remind you, are controled by the man at the top and is is entirely possible we could turn the planet into ash and glass in 20 minutes - Not even Russia has the capablity we have. You all should feel very lucky we have a method of orderly transfer of power from one regime to another. Very lucky.
Should Romney get into office we could easily inflame middle eastern concerns, doing that might well have a direct influence on the Irish and the UK and yes, even the Austrailians. Watch and learn.
canndo
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And one last thing, considering that our DEA has it's ugly little tallons in every country on earth, and considering that our country lead (if not extorted) all other countries in drug treaties, should we manage to legalize marijuana, I assure you that most countries on earth would be affected,including yours.
canndo
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And.... there are people who receive far less than they ever put in as well. Itis not an entitlement except that we are entitled to get what we paid into it.
Harrekin
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And I bet there's lots of people who receive and never pay in...that's what we call an entitlement programme.
Do try keep up.
You are off base here canndo, SS is hybrid form of an entitlement program and a Ponzi scheme.
Most recipients pay only 50% or less into SS and as far as the retirement benefit aspect of it, most will pay more into the system than they take out.
Samwell Seed Well
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so the money that the government collects for social security . . .what happens to that over the peroid of a 50 year working career, is the governemnt supposed to use that to generate more money? i thought thats how it works they continue to use that money that they made of your contributions to conintue to pay for SS
Fungus Gnat
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The money goes to support current retirees and the trust fund. Because of slow population growth eventually SS without any changes will only be able to payout 80% from the taxes collected after the trust fund dries up. It will not run out of money. Starting in the 80's I believe the government started using the funds brought into from the SS taxes for the general fund and that a fairly large percentage of our national debt is actually the debt the government owes to SS.
Samwell Seed Well
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whats this trust fund . . .do . . . .is that applied to ward a make your money make money kinda deal . .
canndo
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I get a statement what? once a quarter? it says how much I am entitled to and that is based upon what I have paid into the account.
I pay premiums to my health insurance company. I have gotten far far less from that company than I have paid in. Some however have gotten far more, they perhaps have paid 400 dollars a month for 20 years but they get a million dollar heart transplant at little extra cost.
Is that health insurance system an entitlement?
Samwell Seed Well
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someone has to have an answer if i have to google it . . . .its gon abe bad . . lots of misspelled words and run and play theories
The "Social Security Trust Fund" comprises two separate funds that hold federal government debt obligations related to what are traditionally thought of as Social Security benefits. The larger of these funds is the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund, which holds in trust special interest-bearing federal government securities bought with surplus OASI payroll tax revenues.[SUP][4][/SUP] The second, smaller fund is the Disability Insurance (DI) Trust Fund, which holds in trust more of the special interest-bearing federal government securities, bought with surplus DI payroll tax revenues.[SUP][5][/SUP]
The trust funds are "off-budget" and treated separately in certain ways from other federal spending, and other trust funds of the Federal Government. From the U.S. Code:
EXCLUSION OF SOCIAL SECURITY FROM ALL BUDGETS Pub. L. 101-508, title XIII, Sec. 13301(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104Stat. 1388-623, provided that: Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the receipts and disbursements of the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund and the Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund shall not be counted as new budget authority, outlays, receipts, or deficit or surplus for purposes of - (1) the budget of the United States Government as submitted by the President, (2) the congressional budget, or (3) the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.
The trust funds run surpluses in that the amount paid in by current workers is more than the amount paid out to current beneficiaries. These surpluses are given to the U.S. Treasury (and thus become part of the general federal budget) in exchange for special U.S. government securities, which are deposited into the trust funds. If the trust funds begin running deficits, meaning more in benefits are paid out than contributions paid in, the Social Security Administration is empowered to redeem the securities and use those funds to cover the deficit.
and then theree is this piece of wikimation
The 2011 Trustees Report Press Release stated:
- "Income including interest to the combined OASDI Trust Funds amounted to $805 billion in 2011. ($564 billion in net contributions, $24 billion from taxation of benefits, $114 billion in interest, and $103 billion in reimbursements from the General Fund of the Treasury—almost exclusively resulting from the 2011 payroll tax legislation.)
canndo
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It is not a ponzi scheme. I was once involved in such a scheme, a ponzi scheme is a brutal abuse of trust and belief where there are only a few winners. Social Security has lots of people who are winners. Nor, as I said, is it an entitlement program in the traditional sense such as welfare. What you are doing is pretending that Social Security is the same as welfare. In welfare, general funds that tax payers pay into are taken in order to pay for the welfare of some who may well have never paid into the general fund.
Harrekin
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Health Insurance is (well, was) optional, the Govt rips the money for SS outta your pay-cheque.
Thats the difference.
Canna Sylvan
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Sure you still want to retire here? If you do, the good news is bacon sundae lady should still be available.
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