Are Republicans afraid of Trump? Hell, no — he's destroying democracy and they love it

Fogdog

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I like slurpees
OK

Now run along to your minimum wages where you don't pay federal taxes and probably not enough to pay state taxes. But yeah, brag about how you do.

Trump sends his thug-brown shirts to Portland and disrupts the commerce of our city while wasting our police budget. You like that, don't you? You guys really are Nazis after all.
 

UncleBuck

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OK

Now run along to your minimum wages where you don't pay federal taxes and probably not enough to pay state taxes. But yeah, brag about how you do.

Trump sends his thug-brown shirts to Portland and disrupts the commerce of our city while wasting our police budget. You like that, don't you? You guys really are Nazis after all.
Gas station clerk would really benefit from an increased minimum wage, free at point of service healthcare, and subsidized affordable rent programs that Democrats are offering


But he’s hooked on guns and racism, to his own detriment

It really is sad to see
 

UncleBuck

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You build Out houses cause your so full of shit lol
no, I’m working on a $10 million dollar, 6100 sq ft mansion in the most expensive area of boulder county right now

If you want a job, we always need someone to haul trash and clean up the job site

But I doubt you could even do that with your shit attitude. Gas station clerk is more up your ally
 

Fogdog

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Gas station clerk would really benefit from an increased minimum wage, free at point of service healthcare, and subsidized affordable rent programs that Democrats are offering


But he’s hooked on guns and racism, to his own detriment

It really is sad to see
I hope he's at least not so prideful that he refused to sign up for subsidized healthcare through the ACA. Also, I hope his kid gets better nutrition than a slurpee provides. Hopefully, dad signed up for food stamps. I don't think SNAP, will pay for that slurpee crap but I suppose the Nazi cabana boy gets them free and feeds it to his kid.

When he is diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, we will need to step up and pay for his treatment. It's what good people do for others. This is an example of the high cost of poor education.
 

Sleazyb

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I hope he's at least not so prideful that he refused to sign up for subsidized healthcare through the ACA. Also, I hope his kid gets better nutrition than a slurpee provides. Hopefully, dad signed up for food stamps. I don't think SNAP, will pay for that slurpee crap but I suppose the Nazi cabana boy gets them free and feeds it to his kid.

When he is diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, we will need to step up and pay for his treatment. It's what good people do for others. This is an example of the high cost of poor education.
I wonder why there isn't any mean ole white , Trump supporters making fun of were I work ? Just you 2 socialist clowns who believe everyone is good and guns and white people are evil are the only ones who think you are better huh lol . hypocrites hey?
Mike drop
 

Fogdog

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I wonder why there isn't any mean ole white , Trump supporters making fun of were I work ? Just you 2 socialist clowns who believe everyone is good and guns and white people are evil are the only ones who think you are better huh lol . hypocrites hey?
Mike drop
oh, sorry, please read my previous message.

 

TerrapinBlazin

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I don’t usually get down on topics like this but I clicked the new posts button and saw this at the top. I agree with the OP but I think it goes deeper than Trump. I’m a huge Bill Maher fan and he’s been saying for about 5 years that the GOP is executing a “slow moving coup”. I think that is an overly simplistic explanation, but if you read the raw facts coming out it’s pretty obvious what’s happening.

It first began with the tea party and the 2010 census, which led to ridiculous amounts of gerrymandering. It started in earnest around 2012 when Mitch McConnell vowed to sink any democratic legislation and completely stonewall Obama’s agenda. That was the opening salvo. Since then McConnel has systematically blocked any attempts at reform by democrats. Not because they’re bad ideas, but because they’re put forth by the opposing party.

The groundwork for this slow moving coup was laid in 2010, but the GOP had no way to consolidate power in the separate branches of government with Obama in office.

So I’ll take a brief aside and say that the Democrats screwed up royally by nominating Hillary Clinton. I voted for her, but I was not happy about the choice I was given. I’m from New Mexico so I’ve got way more experience with Gary Johnson than most people. He was not, and will never be, a good candidate. McMullin, Stein, fuck em all. Fuck third party candidates. Primaries are for voting your conscience. Generals are about voting for the person with the best chance of winning who will do the least damage. I don’t give a fuck about all the smoke Gowdy and Issa were blowing about Benghazi. There wasn’t nearly as much going on there as there was in Ukraine with Donny and Rudy.

Back to the main point, for the GOP to consolidate power they need one of theirs in the Oval Office. They need someone aggressive, ruthless, and morally bankrupt, because their goal is to completely neuter the opposing party so they can run things completely one sided. This is called a dictatorship, and our Constitution was written with the intention of preventing this from happening.

So here we are now. McConnell and Trump have installed a conservative majority in the SCOTUS but they haven’t yet succeeded in politicizing it. Not yet, but let’s just pray that Breyer and Ginsburg hang on for a few more years. The federal judiciary is another story. Trump has nominated, and McConnell confirmed, a whole big list of federalist society vetted, dyed in the wool fascists to prominent circuit courts.

This is why McConnell and Trump’s attitude towards the impeachment is so scary. If you’re of the mind that this impeachment isn’t justified, then I’m sorry but you’ve been reading fake news. Leveraging the power of high office to extract personal favors and campaign assistance from a vulnerable foreign government is such an egregious betrayal of the oath of office that I just can’t fathom how people think it’s okay. Anyone who says Trump was genuinely interested in combatting corruption, in a “shithole country” at war with the very person he’s being so thoroughly manipulated by, needs to lay off the fucking kool-aid. Trump is guided by one thing and one thing only — sheer, unadulterated avarice. He’s a shithead con-artist who happened to be in the right place at the right time for the GOP to put their master plan in motion.

If you can’t see what’s happening then you’re not paying attention. It started with gerrymandering after the 2010 midterms. It ramped up when McConnel decided to pull that stunt with Merrick Garland, and now that we have a president hell bent on destabilizing our society and permanently splitting the country in two with this us vs. them bullshit, they can finish it off. Just a few more circuit judges, one more SCOTUS justice, and a little more stoking of the flames of division and gaslighting the nation’s faith in the separation of powers, and we’ll wake up living in a dictatorship. Start practicing your goose-stepping now, guys.
 
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TerrapinBlazin

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One last thing I want to briefly touch on is a phrase I see Trump supporters tossing around a lot. The phrase “duly elected president”. Every time I see an angry Trump supporter throw that out in some flame war it cracks me up. They say “duly” because their conscience prevents them from saying “fairly” or “legitimately”. Every time a Trump supporter says “duly elected president” I take it as a tacit admission that he lost the popular vote and only eked out an electoral college win by snagging a few thousand votes in a handful of states. The electoral vote count seemed high, but the margins in most of those states were razor thin. Without the massive disinformation campaign spearheaded by Russia and assisted by every moron gullible enough to believe “news” they read on social media — conservative and liberal alike, he couldn’t have pulled it off. Trump won only because of a perfect storm of fucked up shit. I’m a democrat and I’ll proudly admit it to anyone. I’m friends with lots of people that disagree with me politically, because I’m a person who sees the things we have in common as opposed to what makes us different.

I really hope that this fucked up nightmare ends soon. I blame McConnell more than Trump because I know which one of them is highly intelligent and calculating and which one of them is a boorish, shit talking con man. The Trump nightmare will end, but he has enabled the darker forces within the GOP to unleash incredible devastation on the structure of our free republic. To me this has very little to do with my opinion of Trump because I know that in the big picture he’s just a means to an end for something the GOP has been plotting since Nixon was in office. The only ones who will be able to change anything is us. We have to do this by remembering how to agree to disagree. To remember that progress is made by challenging the status quo and to stop being so damn resistant to change. More than anything we’ve gotta stop with this splitting off into groups and going to war with other groups. If people would just remember how much more we have in common, our opinion of whatever suited penis sits in the Oval Office wouldn’t be driving us apart. It wouldn’t be so central to the national conversation, and we could focus more on getting shit done and less on joining cliques and personality cults. There are two dark powers ultimately at work — Russia, who is hell bent on destroying western democracy, and the GOP under the direction of McConnell, who in their lust for more power and money have no problem tearing the entire fucking country apart.
 

UncleBuck

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I wonder why there isn't any mean ole white , Trump supporters making fun of were I work ? Just you 2 socialist clowns who believe everyone is good and guns and white people are evil are the only ones who think you are better huh lol . hypocrites hey?
Mike drop
Isn’t there a soda spill you need to attend to
 

Tangerine_

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One last thing I want to briefly touch on is a phrase I see Trump supporters tossing around a lot. The phrase “duly elected president”. Every time I see an angry Trump supporter throw that out in some flame war it cracks me up. They say “duly” because their conscience prevents them from saying “fairly” or “legitimately”. Every time a Trump supporter says “duly elected president” I take it as a tacit admission that he lost the popular vote and only eked out an electoral college win by snagging a few thousand votes in a handful of states. The electoral vote count seemed high, but the margins in most of those states were razor thin. Without the massive disinformation campaign spearheaded by Russia and assisted by every moron gullible enough to believe “news” they read on social media — conservative and liberal alike, he couldn’t have pulled it off. Trump won only because of a perfect storm of fucked up shit. I’m a democrat and I’ll proudly admit it to anyone. I’m friends with lots of people that disagree with me politically, because I’m a person who sees the things we have in common as opposed to what makes us different.

I really hope that this fucked up nightmare ends soon. I blame McConnell more than Trump because I know which one of them is highly intelligent and calculating and which one of them is a boorish, shit talking con man. The Trump nightmare will end, but he has enabled the darker forces within the GOP to unleash incredible devastation on the structure of our free republic. To me this has very little to do with my opinion of Trump because I know that in the big picture he’s just a means to an end for something the GOP has been plotting since Nixon was in office. The only ones who will be able to change anything is us. We have to do this by remembering how to agree to disagree. To remember that progress is made by challenging the status quo and to stop being so damn resistant to change. More than anything we’ve gotta stop with this splitting off into groups and going to war with other groups. If people would just remember how much more we have in common, our opinion of whatever suited penis sits in the Oval Office wouldn’t be driving us apart. It wouldn’t be so central to the national conversation, and we could focus more on getting shit done and less on joining cliques and personality cults. There are two dark powers ultimately at work — Russia, who is hell bent on destroying western democracy, and the GOP under the direction of McConnell, who in their lust for more power and money have no problem tearing the entire fucking country apart.
Terra, your words are like a breath of fresh air. Intelligent, articulate, and meaningful. Republicans have made it clear, the thing they fears most is Americans banding together.
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said it best, "We're not creating enough angry white males to stay in business."
They succeeded, by not only condoning but participating in running one of the biggest disinformation campaigns against the American people and it was incredibly easy. With the advent of social media people are bombarded with propaganda. Russian trolls knew exactly which areas were vulnerable and they hit them hard. They're doing it right now as I type and will undoubtedly ramp it up as Nov. draws closer.
Fact-checking can be exhausting but I can only hope that this time around, American voters will take the time necessary to do their homework...or at the very least, explore sources other than Fox Entertainment.
 
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hanimmal

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It first began with the tea party and the 2010 census, which led to ridiculous amounts of gerrymandering. It started in earnest around 2012 when Mitch McConnell vowed to sink any democratic legislation and completely stonewall Obama’s agenda. That was the opening salvo. Since then McConnel has systematically blocked any attempts at reform by democrats. Not because they’re bad ideas, but because they’re put forth by the opposing party.

The groundwork for this slow moving coup was laid in 2010, but the GOP had no way to consolidate power in the separate branches of government with Obama in office.
Great posts, I would push this back slightly further however, I think back in 2008 how Sarah Palin was pushed onto McCain and the same election Edwards got hit by Trump's buddies at the National Enquirer.

It makes sense to me that whoever is behind Trump (my guess was Saudis, but Putin is a proven backer) wanted to stir up racism and worked to get a black man elected to enrage the people with racist tendencies, which they did to great effect with the Tea Party in 2010. Trump was going to run in 2012, but backed out when he saw Obama was too good to beat.

That is when the Republicans started destroying Hillary Clinton with years of Benghazi and email investigations and trolling her hard online for the years leading up to the 2016 election, because she was the best candidate. We were not ready for the personalized propaganda generated by the data analysis on everyones online data that got pushed onto us illegally by Russia.


Again, great post.
 

schuylaar

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One last thing I want to briefly touch on is a phrase I see Trump supporters tossing around a lot. The phrase “duly elected president”. Every time I see an angry Trump supporter throw that out in some flame war it cracks me up. They say “duly” because their conscience prevents them from saying “fairly” or “legitimately”. Every time a Trump supporter says “duly elected president” I take it as a tacit admission that he lost the popular vote and only eked out an electoral college win by snagging a few thousand votes in a handful of states. The electoral vote count seemed high, but the margins in most of those states were razor thin. Without the massive disinformation campaign spearheaded by Russia and assisted by every moron gullible enough to believe “news” they read on social media — conservative and liberal alike, he couldn’t have pulled it off. Trump won only because of a perfect storm of fucked up shit. I’m a democrat and I’ll proudly admit it to anyone. I’m friends with lots of people that disagree with me politically, because I’m a person who sees the things we have in common as opposed to what makes us different.

I really hope that this fucked up nightmare ends soon. I blame McConnell more than Trump because I know which one of them is highly intelligent and calculating and which one of them is a boorish, shit talking con man. The Trump nightmare will end, but he has enabled the darker forces within the GOP to unleash incredible devastation on the structure of our free republic. To me this has very little to do with my opinion of Trump because I know that in the big picture he’s just a means to an end for something the GOP has been plotting since Nixon was in office. The only ones who will be able to change anything is us. We have to do this by remembering how to agree to disagree. To remember that progress is made by challenging the status quo and to stop being so damn resistant to change. More than anything we’ve gotta stop with this splitting off into groups and going to war with other groups. If people would just remember how much more we have in common, our opinion of whatever suited penis sits in the Oval Office wouldn’t be driving us apart. It wouldn’t be so central to the national conversation, and we could focus more on getting shit done and less on joining cliques and personality cults. There are two dark powers ultimately at work — Russia, who is hell bent on destroying western democracy, and the GOP under the direction of McConnell, who in their lust for more power and money have no problem tearing the entire fucking country apart.
it was noticed.
 

TerrapinBlazin

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You know I had made a real effort to forget all about Palin but she was definitely sort of a test case. I don’t think that much about ‘08 because they ultimately failed in that attempt. They didn’t start succeeding until the 2010 tea party wave, and the subsequent census and gerrymandering. Palin sort of proved that someone like Trump could succeed in stoking racial and philosophical divisions. I dunno if anyone remembers McCain’s campaign manager or not but his name is Steve Schmidt. He is currently working with George Conway to build a conservative super PAC aimed at driving out Trump, even if it means losing their senate majority. I think that takes some serious balls. There are still isolated pockets of sanity and reason within the GOP and I really hope they prevail.

I’m glad someone mentioned Lindsey Graham because he’s sort of my poster boy for what’s going on today — in my mind living proof that the GOP is driven by avarice. All the shit talkers like to say Graham is closeted and that Trump threatened to out him unless he fell in line.

I know Graham is a closet case and as fruity as the back of a banana truck, but I don’t think that has anything to do with why he’s turned into such a hypocrite. It’s satisfying to think that he’s being blackmailed, and that everyone who has fell in line is as well. I think they were seduced, and not blackmailed. They were seduced by the idea of absolute power — being members of a one party totalitarian regime. I think all these angry old white men love that idea. It’s not about policy, and it’s not about what’s right for the country. It’s not about some idealized utopian conservative wet dream with free markets and guns and god, it’s about their team winning. It’s about money, power, and status, and until they no longer see Trump as a means to achieve this, they’ll keep their noses firmly lodged in his ass.
 

schuylaar

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“To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: remember who you are and whom you serve,” Galli wrote. “Consider how your justification of Mr Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior.”
 

schuylaar

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You know I had made a real effort to forget all about Palin but she was definitely sort of a test case. I don’t think that much about ‘08 because they ultimately failed in that attempt. They didn’t start succeeding until the 2010 tea party wave, and the subsequent census and gerrymandering. Palin sort of proved that someone like Trump could succeed in stoking racial and philosophical divisions. I dunno if anyone remembers McCain’s campaign manager or not but his name is Steve Schmidt. He is currently working with George Conway to build a conservative super PAC aimed at driving out Trump, even if it means losing their senate majority. I think that takes some serious balls. There are still isolated pockets of sanity and reason within the GOP and I really hope they prevail.

I’m glad someone mentioned Lindsey Graham because he’s sort of my poster boy for what’s going on today — in my mind living proof that the GOP is driven by avarice. All the shit talkers like to say Graham is closeted and that Trump threatened to out him unless he fell in line.

I know Graham is a closet case and as fruity as the back of a banana truck, but I don’t think that has anything to do with why he’s turned into such a hypocrite. It’s satisfying to think that he’s being blackmailed, and that everyone who has fell in line is as well. I think they were seduced, and not blackmailed. They were seduced by the idea of absolute power — being members of a one party totalitarian regime. I think all these angry old white men love that idea. It’s not about policy, and it’s not about what’s right for the country. It’s not about some idealized utopian conservative wet dream with free markets and guns and god, it’s about their team winning. It’s about money, power, and status, and until they no longer see Trump as a means to achieve this, they’ll keep their noses firmly lodged in his ass.
oh no! Lindsey Graham is gay? well, that sure as hell is news to me and his constituents- cat's out of the bag now:lol:
 
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schuylaar

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While millions of Americans have been enjoying the holiday season, President Donald Trump has indulged in nasty name-calling aimed at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and has been whining like a 4-year-old who didn't get the toy he wanted.
On Tuesday, Trump tweeted, "Why should Crazy Nancy Pelosi, just because she has a slight majority in the House, be allowed to Impeach the President of the United States?"

On Wednesday, the President retweeted a link to an article that includes a name for the purported whistleblower, whose identity has not been confirmed.
The whistleblower filed an anonymous complaint alleging the White House tried to cover up the President's effort to get Ukraine to dig up dirt on his rival Joe Biden. Trump soliciting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in the July 25 phone call is what set Pelosi down the road to impeachment, but like so many rule breakers, Trump blames the guy who turned him in, instead of examining his own behavior.


A more reasonable commander-in-chief, one worthy of the title, would absorb the lesson in the humiliation of impeachment, realize "I am still President of the United States" and seek stability, if not redemption.

Donald Trump, however, has shown himself to be energetically defiant and incapable of reform. Faced with the Senate impeachment trial in the upcoming year, Trump is likely to become more destructive. His victims will include us all.
The future will also be determined by whatever devious plots Trump may set in motion with his chief enabler, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. As Trump's personal lawyer and international wrecking ball, Giuliani shows no sign of ending his mischief-making in Ukraine or dialing back his bizarre behavior.
He recently directed several anti-Semitic tropes at billionaire philanthropist George Soros -- who has long been a target of right-wing conspiracy theories. Giuliani, a lifelong Catholic, claimed he's "more of a Jew" than Soros, who is a Holocaust survivor. He also made unfounded claims that Soros controls former ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, FBI agents and district attorneys, which perpetuates anti-Semitic tropes that powerful Jews control the government.
The patriotic move is for Trump to resign
The patriotic move is for Trump to resign

It seems safe to assume the President is willing to do whatever it takes to influence the 2020 election in his favor. He is remarkably vigorous and forward looking when it comes to rigging the games he plays and he must be committed to reelection in a way he's never been committed to anything before.
This is likely a matter of pride, since showing the world it is wrong about him is his reason for being. It may also be a legal strategy. Reelection would guarantee his presidential powers, including the ability to grant pardons to those who know things he'd rather keep secret.
What might Trump have in mind as he approaches the 2020 elections? Trump could use his executive authority, including the direction of law enforcement agencies, or the use of executive orders to try to go after his rivals or gain an advantage. Since he tends to accuse others of the very misdeeds he commits himself, Trump's discredited claims of being spied on by the FBI or the previous administration may indicate that such surveillance may be on his mind.
The good news is that Trump has lost the services of some of the minions who once helped stir things up for him. Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, the two Soviet-born businessman who were Giuliani's allies, are cases in point. They face their own legal peril -- both have pleaded not guilty to campaign finance charges -- and at least one of them, Parnas, is cooperating with authorities.
Further cause for optimism lies in the positive response received by those who came forward to testify during the House impeachment investigation. Public servants and political figures who helped establish the record that led to impeachment have earned wide appreciation. Surely other government officials lie in wait, ready to come forward.


Finally, the House of Representatives and the speaker have established themselves as a bulwark for democracy and the American system of checks and balances. In less than a year they have proven themselves capable of organizing, investigating and prosecuting a most difficult case.
Consider the President's capacity for stonewalling -- he blocked many of the witnesses Congress subpoenaed and refused to turn over documents -- and their accomplishment looms even larger. In his long career of chaos, no opposing force has ever brought Trump under control so effectively.
The impeachment of Donald Trump was a demonstration of congressional power that should reassure us. Yes, he will continue his campaign of chaos and make the coming election year more disturbing than 2016 but there is now an opposing force. Conflict lies ahead, but so does hope.
 

TerrapinBlazin

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Edit: I’m changing the first sentence for clarity because it was poorly worded.

This article just shows that what anyone thinks of Trump as a person is beside the point. This shit ain’t good for our country, and if someone approves of what Trump is doing they need to really think about their values. This is some straight up divide and conquer shit here and we all need to collectively come to our senses and put a stop to this fucking clown show. The whole part about going after the whistleblower is what I find disgusting.

Anyone with the courage to come forward to report waste, fraud, or abuse should be protected. Even if the whistleblower report had turned out to be totally wrong, the person that came forward needs to be protected. Trump hates the whistleblower because they chose their country over Trump. Trump hates the whistleblower even more because their report was 100% accurate. This is why he wants to ruin the whistleblower. If their accusations had been false there wouldn’t be anything going on right now, and since this whistleblower report was accurate and very consequential, its author needs tbe highest protections. Whistleblowers are courageous — even when they turn out to be wrong, anyone who comes forward to put something they perceive as wrong on record is making this world a better place.

The fact that Trump and the GOP are so mercilessly attacking this whistleblower, who’s honestly pretty irrelevant now that their story has been confirmed, just illustrates their goal. It’s not about this whistleblower but about future ones. It’s about undermining the integrity of our regulatory processes to the point where they no longer have any power, and intimidating anyone who might come forward by showing what will happen once Donny dickbag gets on twitter.
 
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