Polyploidy questions..

Kiganoga

Kiganoga

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I like the last source..This guy took note that using colchicine gave an increase of 166-250% in THC content over the controlled (Normal) Plants that they had been compared to. Dont exactly know what the result is in having a reduction of CBD and CBN..But like I had said at the start of this thread, Polyploidy does increase the size of the plant as well as the yield..Although these expirements make me sceptical about the potency issues..

And as for the agronomic success..That may very well be due to the fact that only a certain percentage of your "expirimental" plants actually survive.
 
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kindprincess

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MY point is that you do all this, you get an extra few ounces. how much time did it take you to shock and stress and strip your plant?

how long did it take to recover?

in that time, how big would a single hydro plant in veg get? how much would it yield?

i've fought and fought over this polyploid thing, you're not the first to be mislead. but, think like this.... wow, it works SOO friggin well that most people have never even heard about it. top secret, right?

still, bs. you may see a polyploid one day, but unless you are god, you won't be making one.

kp
 
skunkushybrid

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"Polyploidy is the condition in which a normally diploid cell or organism acquires one or more additional sets of chromosomes. In other words, the polyploid cell or organism has three or more times the haploid chromosome number. Polyploidy arises as the result of total nondisjunction of chromosomes during mitosis or meiosis.

Polyploidy is common among plants and has been, in fact, a major source of speciation in the angiosperms. Particularly important is allopolyploidy, which involves the doubling of chromosomes in a [COLOR=#3976c1! important][COLOR=#3976c1! important]hybrid[/color][/color] plant. Normally a hybrid is sterile because it does not have the required homologous pairs of chromosomes for successful gamete formation during meiosis. If through polyploidy, however, the plant duplicates the chromosome set inherited from each parent, meiosis can occur, because each chromosome will have a homologue derived from its duplicate set. Thus, polyploidy confers fertility on the formerly sterile hybrid, which thereby attains the status of a full [COLOR=#3976c1! important][COLOR=#3976c1! important]species[/color][/color] distinct from either of its parents. It has been estimated that up to half of the known angiosperm species arose through polyploidy, including some of the species most prized by man. Plant breeders utilize this process, treating desirable hybrids with chemicals, such as colchicine, that are known to induce polyploidy.


This article is pretty much the standard in regards to polyploids, and this along with everything else I've read suggests that polyploidy is something that can be induced. Is in fact, used all the time. No need to be a god.
 
Kiganoga

Kiganoga

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The princess here is dead set on her ways, though..So I guess expirementing with things unknown isnt something she's really good at. :twisted: Regardless..I will be starting a polyploid journal within the next week..
 
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kindprincess

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skunkushybrid said:
Agronomy, is the science of soil management and crop production.

KP i'm interested in why you feel you can write this system off so easily. Have you experience of this yourself?
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i've come across four polyploids out of all the seeds i've sown. there have probably been more, as most of the time a polyploid will not present it's traits physically.

the four of mine that did exhibited stunted growth, mutated limbs, and low yield. potency was comparable to the others of the same stock, but the funky leafed ones did not do well at all.

another thing is that most people think of 3 leaf mutants when they hear polyploid. polyploid leaves look exactly like stress leaves that you'd get from revegging a plant.

also, the problem i see in the "technique" is

1) the author is stating you can cause a genetic mutation. genes are genes, and unless you're working in a lab with cells and such, you're not going to alter the genetics of a living plant. it is what it is.

2) stripping leaves, pruning back to nothing.... all for another ounce or two? let's say max you get an extra 1/2 pound. in the four months it took you to do all that to that one plant, i've grown four 1lb monster bushes in dwc.

there are things that do work better than anything else. these techniques are standards of growing pot. such as 12/12 for flower. you can go up or down, but tried and true is 12/12. if you find a rare technique that was discovered years ago, but you just now heard about it, there's usually a reason (like, it doesn't work)

hope this helps you guys understand my side of this one.

kp
 
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kindprincess

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Kiganoga said:
The princess here is dead set on her ways, though..So I guess expirementing with things unknown isnt something she's really good at. :twisted: Regardless..I will be starting a polyploid journal within the next week..
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if you look around this site, or one of 15+ others, you find that i'm probably the biggest sucker for an experiment out there. i've tried things no one believes, and i can tell you from MY experience that what you're c+p'ing is not accurate.

i should write a book, that way my word is scripture too, and i can just cite myself in a situation like this :twisted:
 
Kiganoga

Kiganoga

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Im not trying to doubt your ways, or your growing experience..Because Ive seen alot of your grows around, as well as several of the "crazy" expirements. And I also know that the yield may not be worth it, but in the case of someone truly interested in the cultivation of well..the situation at hand ^.- and has practically too much time on their hands..The expirement is worth while to expirience with.
 
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fdd2blk

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i'm just sitting back taking it all in now.

4lbs in 4 months? i wanna see.

book writers get paid. lots of money. if it were sooooo easy to write a book why doesn't everyone do it?
 
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kindprincess

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fdd2blk said:
i'm just sitting back taking it all in now.

4lbs in 4 months? i wanna see.

book writers get paid. lots of money. if it were sooooo easy to write a book why doesn't everyone do it?
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most dont have the patience.

say it with me....

patience and potency are practically synonomous :mrgreen:
 
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kindprincess

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Kiganoga said:
Im not trying to doubt your ways, or your growing experience..Because Ive seen alot of your grows around, as well as several of the "crazy" expirements. And I also know that the yield may not be worth it, but in the case of someone truly interested in the cultivation of well..the situation at hand ^.- and has practically too much time on their hands..The expirement is worth while to expirience with.
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a photolog would be kickass; i'd even participate with you, side by side analysis ;)
 
Kiganoga

Kiganoga

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Im looking for help putting together a 4 tray 4'x8' ebb and flow system under 4 1000 watters..It will initially be used for this "polyploidy venture" so that four months wont seem like such a waste in the longrun..But it's a costly venture to say the least. SOOO..I need help piecing one together, and built myself. Anybody got any suggestions? If all works out well..I should be able to maintain like twenty plants per tray for expirimenting.
 
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fdd2blk

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kindprincess

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Kiganoga said:
Im looking for help putting together a 4 tray 4'x8' ebb and flow system under 4 1000 watters..It will initially be used for this "polyploidy venture" so that four months wont seem like such a waste in the longrun..But it's a costly venture to say the least. SOOO..I need help piecing one together, and built myself. Anybody got any suggestions? If all works out well..I should be able to maintain like twenty plants per tray for expirimenting.
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the cheapest tubs for an ebb and flow are the black concrete mixing tubs at lowes or home depot (12$)

they are very easy to make, i can find a video if you like.

in the tubs from lowes you can fit about 30-40 clones.

kp
 
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kindprincess

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fdd2blk said:
i say........
https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/24703-its-all-bullsh-t.html.


i believe nothing anymore. NOTHING!! not even what i see with my own eyes. none of it adds up. none of it. i can not find one "rule" that has held true in my outdoor garden this year. i have given up. thrown my arms in the air. fuck it, let them grow themselves.......:peace::peace::joint::joint:
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lol, i agree, except that hydro kix ass :mrgreen:

next year i'm going to challenge you to the biggest plant comp :D not biggest yield, just tallest and bushiest tree, judged by the faithful members of riu ;)
 
Kiganoga

Kiganoga

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Yeah, but with an eighty plant setup Im really not going to want any clones..And polyploidy doesnt really set in until you have stopped clipping and start the flowering cycle. On the two polys I have now, Ive kinda made them into bonsai's due to the pruning XD Its awesome though..Anyone ever seen a bonsai yield a dry quarter pound? Seems like a mark to me..
 
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