Five assorted clones in a shed

Okay, just ordered this.


Six heat mats that daisy chain for electrical supply with a single temperature probe for the dirt in one of them.

I will have a set of one of these for every six plants. Maybe I get two or three. I'll get more later as the plants grow if they work. I will have to use the temperature probe on equivalent plants to make sure it's getting the same amount of heating since not every plant will get a probe, just one per six.

I will also collect whatever floor mats I already have to lay them out on the floor to put whatever walkable insulation I can on it. If I can't find enough of them, I'll order some.

Four popped. One I can't tell so I'll wait until tonight. Yay.

Two autos and two regulars. Two of them Incredible roots, one of them okay, one of them barely out but I moved it anyway. I was very gentle, or at least I think I was. Never touched the root directly. A couple of them wiggled away and had to be put back. Gently.

I placed them in a tiny bit of wetted of Plant Success Mycorrhizae which also contains a tiny bit of nutrients. I've used that successfully in the past and I saw it meant a huge difference compared to plants that I just let grow without it.

After my various temperature issues, I'm going to go way insane overkill on control and monitor of whatever the Cannabis is growing in. So right now it's in this little baby domed 12 slot seedling tray.

Underneath is a heating mat buffered with a towel and to the upper right is an infrared heat emitter focused across the top of the dome. That gets a bit too warm for my comfort, but I understand it's quickly heating the rest of it and then gets turned off. I can control the focus of the heat lamp by looking at it via the temperature camera.

The controller is set to maintain 1° swing. I know there is a 2° swing between the bottom of the sponge material that touches the water and the top where the seedlings actually are. There is a little transmitter temperature gauge inside the domed container so I can glance in to confirm. That sends the temperature to the reader next to my chair.

I am using rapid rooter spongy material which I found very good in the past. I'm using see-through trays so I can see when those roots show up and I will immediately transplant them rather than let it ever think it will be root constrained. I am keeping it dark on the bottom at all times unless I'm lifting to look. I'm putting a very dim light above waiting for the actual seeds to pop through now.

If they outgrow this tray in height before I see roots I will wrap half this environment in plastic and put the humidifier in. I'm not putting them in the outside shed until I am very sure of both them and the environment. As far as the root heater and everything else I'll be measuring.

Okay, I've got to try to burn with UV light from early on. I want to germinate another LSD. Such a silly name for a strain.

When I looked it up it really had no description other than mold resistant. Good grower. I did not choose this. This was a freebie. Again and again. I ended up with five of them.

So I will germinate one of them and after it grows a couple of nodes I will isolate it and I will burn it with a couple of hours of high intensity UV everyday. If it shows stress I will back off. Simple as that. If it grows the same as the other one, that's okay. The key is to find out if it shows better trichomes later on since in theory part of what they do is protect the plants from UV and early exposure should prime the plant to produce more of them. Let's find out.

testtime said:

Okay, I've got to try to burn with UV light from early on. I want to germinate another LSD. Such a silly name for a strain.

When I looked it up it really had no description other than mold resistant. Good grower. I did not choose this. This was a freebie. Again and again. I ended up with five of them.

So I will germinate one of them and after it grows a couple of nodes I will isolate it and I will burn it with a couple of hours of high intensity UV everyday. If it shows stress I will back off. Simple as that. If it grows the same as the other one, that's okay. The key is to find out if it shows better trichomes later on since in theory part of what they do is protect the plants from UV and early exposure should prime the plant to produce more of them. Let's find out.

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I like the experiment, It will be interesting to see how UV affects the plant during veg.
It will be impossible to know thou if it is the uv that made the difference of trichome production or if it is genetics since they are from seed.

My next investment might be a UV lamp so will be interesting to se how it works out for you. Keep us posted

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I like the experiment, It will be interesting to see how UV affects the plant during veg.
It will be impossible to know thou if it is the uv that made the difference of trichome production or if it is genetics since they are from seed.

My next investment might be a UV lamp so will be interesting to se how it works out for you. Keep us posted

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I understand that we can't be sure since these are seeds not clones, but it's what I got for now to test so I will.

I've put six more seeds into paper towel to pop.
Lemon drizzle will go just to regular, not UV because I only have one of those.

The following will go into both, I have a seed for both non-uv and UV and I'll try to treat them as identically as I can:

Cookie apple OG Auto, critical orange punch, and LSD.

Note: on the end. I absolutely will UV everyone during the final couple of weeks. But here we are trying to see if there's any difference between any of the early treated ones versus their sister plants that didn't have the early treatment.

testtime said:

I understand that we can't be sure since these are seeds not clones, but it's what I got for now to test so I will.

I've put six more seeds into paper towel to pop.
Lemon drizzle will go just to regular, not UV because I only have one of those.

The following will go into both, I have a seed for both non-uv and UV and I'll try to treat them as identically as I can:

Cookie apple OG Auto, critical orange punch, and LSD.

Note: on the end. I absolutely will UV everyone during the final couple of weeks. But here we are trying to see if there's any difference between any of the early treated ones versus their sister plants that didn't have the early treatment.

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you should be able to see a pattern with so any different seedlings.
I got mixed feeling about the outcome of your experiment. In one way I want it to fail so I don't have to spend more money running a UV lamp in both veg and flower. But in the other way who don't want more trichomes.

How long are you exposing them to UV?

Bunch more popped, the ones that I planted are pushing through the media, I'm keeping it at a 90% humidity environment and I am waiting for the shells to shake off. A couple have.

I've also paper towel popped a whole assortment of cherry tomatoes. I've transplanted a bunch from the paper towel to the media tray environment. Since I let these go a day or two longer than the cannabis they are piercing through the expensive paper towel, I should have used cheap paper towel, and grabbing hold. So maybe I'm gentle enough and maybe not when I move them. That's okay, I see they have a 95% germination rate, I needed to prove that out and I have plenty more to drop in the media directly if hand transplants failed.

I take the Cannabis as soon as I notice the slightest pop now. I don't want it to anchor in the paper towel and one of them has so far.

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you should be able to see a pattern with so any different seedlings.
I got mixed feeling about the outcome of your experiment. In one way I want it to fail so I don't have to spend more money running a UV lamp in both veg and flower. But in the other way who don't want more trichomes.

How long are you exposing them to UV?

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Don't know yet. And I don't know how much.

I have UV and red buttons built in to my overhead 240 w light. And I have two more of those lights that I will use Veg and flowering as well. Plus I have assorted other light bar lights. I have about a dozen of those bars and I think they run 45 watts a piece.

None of these are sold anymore. The bar lights included a dedicated red/uv additional light bar in each of the three x 4 lights I bought.

The UV that comes with my quantum board overhead will put out the same power at whatever percentage that I put the light on in the first place. The additional UV Light bar will give me some strength juggling as well, but that will allow me to peak a lot higher as compared to whatever my current default light level is when using the overhead light.

So I have to map out what these dials mean. I will put a line on percentages of their what draw is and I'll measure it bit by bit. Then I'll figure out how many watts at full, half, third, etc.

I'm not sure how many watts the one built into my overhead draws, I can't separate it out from the regular light. I'll put up some type of reflective shield between them when I fry the experiment group with the UV and not use the one built into the main light

I should be able to do early veg for the next month or so under a single 240 light plus the extra UV on one side that gets blocked by the separator. Then they'll get moved into the shed and I'll have two of these 240s over them, UV on one side, but at that point I'll also use the UV coming from the 240s above on the UV group.

My power monitoring/control plugs have scheduling ability which means I can set up on off cycles if I want to for individual additional lights. The additional UV bar lights will be controlled with those. They will even track the amount of power it uses so I can tell exactly when I fry something and with how much.

At that point I have an ability to turn them on a specific amount at a specific distance and then see if there's any immediate reaction. Does it wilt? Does it curl up? Does it change color? Have I damaged it?

Let's say 30% at 1 ft for 1 hour at noon. Do it for a week on the test plants.

Do any show a problem? Do all show a problem? Do none show a problem?

If none, increase length of time or power or both.

Document everything in my little notebook.

Run through this loop until we're at full power for full-time grow or we found a problem. I don't expect to ever go to full power at full time. I expect those plants to get damaged and react. On the other hand, this is a plant that evolved on the steppes of Asia. Harsh conditions with lots of UV.

If only one plant shows a problem, separate that out, back off time or power for that plant, but keep on exposing the others. Run the increase and figure out which strains are tolerant.

Hopefully it will be like I've topped it as far as damage and recovery time frame. It takes about 2 weeks for a topped plant to recover and start showing growth. In this case there's going to be damaged cells that will have to be discarded and regrown.

Hopefully anybody I damaged is given low or no UV time and recovered in a week or two.

This process will go over the entire veg.

When we go into flowering at first hit it with the UV. Hit it hard for a week during the change. Not burn level necessarily, keep in mind how the previous reactions were, but try to fry what was most tolerant.

During flowering do daily UV. Do matching daily UV with the non- UV inoculated plants. If anyone stresses from it back off but expect the final 2 weeks to be uv full strength (stress or not) as the final ripening happens and final production hits.

I might not hold to this simply because I will be having a mixed plant environment that will be ripening on different schedules and I'm really not sure how it will all come together in the end.

Use knowledge gained on next cycle. I've got lots of plants that I can take clones of as part of this and I will have veg clones of anyone going under this experiment if I can. That will allow me to go full blast UV next cycle with the maximum number of UV tolerant plants, assuming it did anything other than damage the plants.

I'll probably end up with around six mothers for next generations depending on what seeds I got going. Keep in mind some of them are autos which means I'm not going to clone just to have them flower on me and die.

11 out of 12 with some type of visible pop when I moved them along. Some barely open and some with serious roots. The limoncello was sitting there too long in the paper towel so I dropped it in the media. If that doesn't pop in a week I'll put in the backup limoncello seed.

I love these tiny little seedling trays but they're too small to have a consistent control of heat so I put them in the big black planting tray with an inch of water. That gives it a consistent temperature.

I have three visible over the media now with one set of true leaves. The two trays behind the cannabis tray are six different varieties of cherry tomatoes.

One thing I really like about having the overhead infrared light is that since it warms the plastic above the plants, the internal humidity can be very high without condensing on the plastic and dripping down.

On the other hand, as much as I like the infrared emitter, it is way too dangerous for a fully enclosed high humidity environment. Just not going to do that.

Started wrapping with wide kitchen plastic wrap. Realized the insanity. Went wandering my property in my sheds. Found paint wall protective plastic. Basically it's a line of tape attached to very thin yet still usable plastic. A bit cloudy though. The plants won't care. Okay,

Start unwrapping that and get pissed. I know I have clear shower curtains. Wander the property again and find all kinds of tools. I've been missing for years and I'm very happy I found all those tools.

And then I found a gorilla branded shower curtain liner. It's not the shower curtains I was looking for, it's better. Works for me.

I don't have enough to use both the sides and the ceiling so I will use it to wrap the sides and lay the paint plastic across the top.

I still have to rewire and secure in everything. Everything got moved out and now I have to find a new place to hang controls etc. I'll keep the controls outside of the environment other than the probes and the power for internal things such as heat, mats, fan, and vaporizer.

I used a bunch of zip ties to create a lattice across the top and sides to be able to put the plastic against it without it hanging badly anywhere. Also, the layer of zip ties makes everything stronger as it's pulling everything In all directions simultaneously. All those bars tightened up.

It still needs to be thoroughly taped around the top for no humidity loss and the bottom I will clean out and that will be a drip zone. That's okay.

I've ordered the cheapest large reservoir vaporizer I could find that has a simple dial control. I can use an offset timer on it and cycle for what I want or I can put it on a humidity monitor which I already have.

I went a little insane on Temu. I've never been there before. I bought insulation to lay out on the shed floor plus 96 square feet of half inch puzzle foam. I only need about 32 square feet but I will double and triple where possible. I'll be able to lay that to an inch and a half totally. By the time I'm done there should be very little cold coming through the floor.

I wouldn't have been able to afford that on Amazon. It was triple the price. I accept that I am enjoying the fruits of slave labor from an enemy state.

I also accidentally trigger ordered it a 6-ft high hydroponic tower. Basically Temu has an option while you're looking at the screen that says add to current order/pay now. Sure, I can do that, PayPal will confirm any payment so I can change my mind.

I had just ordered one order and that was already on its way. I went through the PayPal confirmation process. All standard stuff. I don't give my credit card to anyone if I can avoid it.

When I hit that button, temu told me congratulations! Your order is on the way and I got a series of emails from both temu and PayPal confirming the transaction.

Wait a second!

There was no PayPal confirmation like there typically is. Temu is able to order through their system and take PayPal money whether or not I confirm it on my side. That was the new one to me.

I could have canceled it but then I decided I really wanted it. It's coming in the slow boat from China so maybe it shows up or maybe not. I couldn't even find it on the US side. And even if I did it would have been ordered from them.

Let's see if I can grow both multiple tomatoes and my various herbs and spices. I have the corner of the kitchen allocated to it.

Pop progress

The good. Apple strudel, Gueberry, lemon drizzle, two critical orange, two Cookie Apple. Anything I have doubles of I will put one aside to give it extra UV light.

The bad. Two LSDs were stunted and twisted leaves. If the next set is twisted, I'm killing them. I'll probably kill them anyway just because they're small, but I can't be sure at this stage.

Every slot is sacred. Oh well, I was hoping for a couple of those for UV difference comparison. I don't care about the LSD specifically since I didn't order them, they were freebies, but obviously they were freebies for a reason.

The ugly. Lemonchello Haze was absolutely no pop. It rotted in it's spot. I have a replacement to try. Girl Scout cookie had the seed split open and put the root out a bit but then it went nowhere.

The gelato seems stunted looking but the leaves are not twisted. I'll give it a couple weeks to see where it goes.

I put three more seeds directly in the media. Kush mintz, cheese, strawberry banana grape.

I figured if I touched the Girl Scout cookie and caused that root not to go any further, I'd be safer with the next three if possible. I prefer the paper towel pop simply cuz I like to see it in a day or two but it's not a requirement.

Transplant day. Yay.

Actually, yesterday was transplant day but we had a 7-hour blockout. The battery ran fine and kept everybody happy but I wasn't about to open it up and lose the heat and humidity.

I added plexiglass windows and ceiling so I can see in and the light can come in. I killed the LSD. The leaves were twisted and there was no point in letting it go. The gelato seems a bit stunted but I am letting that go for a while because it's not twisted leaves and I can expect a little bit of exotic boutique smoke if it stays small. The cheese and strawberry banana grape popped and seem okay. The Kush mintz did not pop and I'm sad because now I have no mintz.

I might just order that separately from someone else.