Five assorted clones in a shed

Okay, just ordered this.


Six heat mats that daisy chain for electrical supply with a single temperature probe for the dirt in one of them.

I will have a set of one of these for every six plants. Maybe I get two or three. I'll get more later as the plants grow if they work. I will have to use the temperature probe on equivalent plants to make sure it's getting the same amount of heating since not every plant will get a probe, just one per six.

I will also collect whatever floor mats I already have to lay them out on the floor to put whatever walkable insulation I can on it. If I can't find enough of them, I'll order some.

Four popped. One I can't tell so I'll wait until tonight. Yay.

Two autos and two regulars. Two of them Incredible roots, one of them okay, one of them barely out but I moved it anyway. I was very gentle, or at least I think I was. Never touched the root directly. A couple of them wiggled away and had to be put back. Gently.

I placed them in a tiny bit of wetted of Plant Success Mycorrhizae which also contains a tiny bit of nutrients. I've used that successfully in the past and I saw it meant a huge difference compared to plants that I just let grow without it.

After my various temperature issues, I'm going to go way insane overkill on control and monitor of whatever the Cannabis is growing in. So right now it's in this little baby domed 12 slot seedling tray.

Underneath is a heating mat buffered with a towel and to the upper right is an infrared heat emitter focused across the top of the dome. That gets a bit too warm for my comfort, but I understand it's quickly heating the rest of it and then gets turned off. I can control the focus of the heat lamp by looking at it via the temperature camera.

The controller is set to maintain 1° swing. I know there is a 2° swing between the bottom of the sponge material that touches the water and the top where the seedlings actually are. There is a little transmitter temperature gauge inside the domed container so I can glance in to confirm. That sends the temperature to the reader next to my chair.

I am using rapid rooter spongy material which I found very good in the past. I'm using see-through trays so I can see when those roots show up and I will immediately transplant them rather than let it ever think it will be root constrained. I am keeping it dark on the bottom at all times unless I'm lifting to look. I'm putting a very dim light above waiting for the actual seeds to pop through now.

If they outgrow this tray in height before I see roots I will wrap half this environment in plastic and put the humidifier in. I'm not putting them in the outside shed until I am very sure of both them and the environment. As far as the root heater and everything else I'll be measuring.

Okay, I've got to try to burn with UV light from early on. I want to germinate another LSD. Such a silly name for a strain.

When I looked it up it really had no description other than mold resistant. Good grower. I did not choose this. This was a freebie. Again and again. I ended up with five of them.

So I will germinate one of them and after it grows a couple of nodes I will isolate it and I will burn it with a couple of hours of high intensity UV everyday. If it shows stress I will back off. Simple as that. If it grows the same as the other one, that's okay. The key is to find out if it shows better trichomes later on since in theory part of what they do is protect the plants from UV and early exposure should prime the plant to produce more of them. Let's find out.

testtime said:

Okay, I've got to try to burn with UV light from early on. I want to germinate another LSD. Such a silly name for a strain.

When I looked it up it really had no description other than mold resistant. Good grower. I did not choose this. This was a freebie. Again and again. I ended up with five of them.

So I will germinate one of them and after it grows a couple of nodes I will isolate it and I will burn it with a couple of hours of high intensity UV everyday. If it shows stress I will back off. Simple as that. If it grows the same as the other one, that's okay. The key is to find out if it shows better trichomes later on since in theory part of what they do is protect the plants from UV and early exposure should prime the plant to produce more of them. Let's find out.

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I like the experiment, It will be interesting to see how UV affects the plant during veg.
It will be impossible to know thou if it is the uv that made the difference of trichome production or if it is genetics since they are from seed.

My next investment might be a UV lamp so will be interesting to se how it works out for you. Keep us posted

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I like the experiment, It will be interesting to see how UV affects the plant during veg.
It will be impossible to know thou if it is the uv that made the difference of trichome production or if it is genetics since they are from seed.

My next investment might be a UV lamp so will be interesting to se how it works out for you. Keep us posted

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I understand that we can't be sure since these are seeds not clones, but it's what I got for now to test so I will.

I've put six more seeds into paper towel to pop.
Lemon drizzle will go just to regular, not UV because I only have one of those.

The following will go into both, I have a seed for both non-uv and UV and I'll try to treat them as identically as I can:

Cookie apple OG Auto, critical orange punch, and LSD.

Note: on the end. I absolutely will UV everyone during the final couple of weeks. But here we are trying to see if there's any difference between any of the early treated ones versus their sister plants that didn't have the early treatment.

testtime said:

I understand that we can't be sure since these are seeds not clones, but it's what I got for now to test so I will.

I've put six more seeds into paper towel to pop.
Lemon drizzle will go just to regular, not UV because I only have one of those.

The following will go into both, I have a seed for both non-uv and UV and I'll try to treat them as identically as I can:

Cookie apple OG Auto, critical orange punch, and LSD.

Note: on the end. I absolutely will UV everyone during the final couple of weeks. But here we are trying to see if there's any difference between any of the early treated ones versus their sister plants that didn't have the early treatment.

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you should be able to see a pattern with so any different seedlings.
I got mixed feeling about the outcome of your experiment. In one way I want it to fail so I don't have to spend more money running a UV lamp in both veg and flower. But in the other way who don't want more trichomes.

How long are you exposing them to UV?

Bunch more popped, the ones that I planted are pushing through the media, I'm keeping it at a 90% humidity environment and I am waiting for the shells to shake off. A couple have.

I've also paper towel popped a whole assortment of cherry tomatoes. I've transplanted a bunch from the paper towel to the media tray environment. Since I let these go a day or two longer than the cannabis they are piercing through the expensive paper towel, I should have used cheap paper towel, and grabbing hold. So maybe I'm gentle enough and maybe not when I move them. That's okay, I see they have a 95% germination rate, I needed to prove that out and I have plenty more to drop in the media directly if hand transplants failed.

I take the Cannabis as soon as I notice the slightest pop now. I don't want it to anchor in the paper towel and one of them has so far.

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you should be able to see a pattern with so any different seedlings.
I got mixed feeling about the outcome of your experiment. In one way I want it to fail so I don't have to spend more money running a UV lamp in both veg and flower. But in the other way who don't want more trichomes.

How long are you exposing them to UV?

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Don't know yet. And I don't know how much.

I have UV and red buttons built in to my overhead 240 w light. And I have two more of those lights that I will use Veg and flowering as well. Plus I have assorted other light bar lights. I have about a dozen of those bars and I think they run 45 watts a piece.

None of these are sold anymore. The bar lights included a dedicated red/uv additional light bar in each of the three x 4 lights I bought.

The UV that comes with my quantum board overhead will put out the same power at whatever percentage that I put the light on in the first place. The additional UV Light bar will give me some strength juggling as well, but that will allow me to peak a lot higher as compared to whatever my current default light level is when using the overhead light.

So I have to map out what these dials mean. I will put a line on percentages of their what draw is and I'll measure it bit by bit. Then I'll figure out how many watts at full, half, third, etc.

I'm not sure how many watts the one built into my overhead draws, I can't separate it out from the regular light. I'll put up some type of reflective shield between them when I fry the experiment group with the UV and not use the one built into the main light

I should be able to do early veg for the next month or so under a single 240 light plus the extra UV on one side that gets blocked by the separator. Then they'll get moved into the shed and I'll have two of these 240s over them, UV on one side, but at that point I'll also use the UV coming from the 240s above on the UV group.

My power monitoring/control plugs have scheduling ability which means I can set up on off cycles if I want to for individual additional lights. The additional UV bar lights will be controlled with those. They will even track the amount of power it uses so I can tell exactly when I fry something and with how much.

At that point I have an ability to turn them on a specific amount at a specific distance and then see if there's any immediate reaction. Does it wilt? Does it curl up? Does it change color? Have I damaged it?

Let's say 30% at 1 ft for 1 hour at noon. Do it for a week on the test plants.

Do any show a problem? Do all show a problem? Do none show a problem?

If none, increase length of time or power or both.

Document everything in my little notebook.

Run through this loop until we're at full power for full-time grow or we found a problem. I don't expect to ever go to full power at full time. I expect those plants to get damaged and react. On the other hand, this is a plant that evolved on the steppes of Asia. Harsh conditions with lots of UV.

If only one plant shows a problem, separate that out, back off time or power for that plant, but keep on exposing the others. Run the increase and figure out which strains are tolerant.

Hopefully it will be like I've topped it as far as damage and recovery time frame. It takes about 2 weeks for a topped plant to recover and start showing growth. In this case there's going to be damaged cells that will have to be discarded and regrown.

Hopefully anybody I damaged is given low or no UV time and recovered in a week or two.

This process will go over the entire veg.

When we go into flowering at first hit it with the UV. Hit it hard for a week during the change. Not burn level necessarily, keep in mind how the previous reactions were, but try to fry what was most tolerant.

During flowering do daily UV. Do matching daily UV with the non- UV inoculated plants. If anyone stresses from it back off but expect the final 2 weeks to be uv full strength (stress or not) as the final ripening happens and final production hits.

I might not hold to this simply because I will be having a mixed plant environment that will be ripening on different schedules and I'm really not sure how it will all come together in the end.

Use knowledge gained on next cycle. I've got lots of plants that I can take clones of as part of this and I will have veg clones of anyone going under this experiment if I can. That will allow me to go full blast UV next cycle with the maximum number of UV tolerant plants, assuming it did anything other than damage the plants.

I'll probably end up with around six mothers for next generations depending on what seeds I got going. Keep in mind some of them are autos which means I'm not going to clone just to have them flower on me and die.

11 out of 12 with some type of visible pop when I moved them along. Some barely open and some with serious roots. The limoncello was sitting there too long in the paper towel so I dropped it in the media. If that doesn't pop in a week I'll put in the backup limoncello seed.

I love these tiny little seedling trays but they're too small to have a consistent control of heat so I put them in the big black planting tray with an inch of water. That gives it a consistent temperature.

I have three visible over the media now with one set of true leaves. The two trays behind the cannabis tray are six different varieties of cherry tomatoes.

One thing I really like about having the overhead infrared light is that since it warms the plastic above the plants, the internal humidity can be very high without condensing on the plastic and dripping down.

On the other hand, as much as I like the infrared emitter, it is way too dangerous for a fully enclosed high humidity environment. Just not going to do that.

Started wrapping with wide kitchen plastic wrap. Realized the insanity. Went wandering my property in my sheds. Found paint wall protective plastic. Basically it's a line of tape attached to very thin yet still usable plastic. A bit cloudy though. The plants won't care. Okay,

Start unwrapping that and get pissed. I know I have clear shower curtains. Wander the property again and find all kinds of tools. I've been missing for years and I'm very happy I found all those tools.

And then I found a gorilla branded shower curtain liner. It's not the shower curtains I was looking for, it's better. Works for me.

I don't have enough to use both the sides and the ceiling so I will use it to wrap the sides and lay the paint plastic across the top.

I still have to rewire and secure in everything. Everything got moved out and now I have to find a new place to hang controls etc. I'll keep the controls outside of the environment other than the probes and the power for internal things such as heat, mats, fan, and vaporizer.

I used a bunch of zip ties to create a lattice across the top and sides to be able to put the plastic against it without it hanging badly anywhere. Also, the layer of zip ties makes everything stronger as it's pulling everything In all directions simultaneously. All those bars tightened up.

It still needs to be thoroughly taped around the top for no humidity loss and the bottom I will clean out and that will be a drip zone. That's okay.

I've ordered the cheapest large reservoir vaporizer I could find that has a simple dial control. I can use an offset timer on it and cycle for what I want or I can put it on a humidity monitor which I already have.

I went a little insane on Temu. I've never been there before. I bought insulation to lay out on the shed floor plus 96 square feet of half inch puzzle foam. I only need about 32 square feet but I will double and triple where possible. I'll be able to lay that to an inch and a half totally. By the time I'm done there should be very little cold coming through the floor.

I wouldn't have been able to afford that on Amazon. It was triple the price. I accept that I am enjoying the fruits of slave labor from an enemy state.

I also accidentally trigger ordered it a 6-ft high hydroponic tower. Basically Temu has an option while you're looking at the screen that says add to current order/pay now. Sure, I can do that, PayPal will confirm any payment so I can change my mind.

I had just ordered one order and that was already on its way. I went through the PayPal confirmation process. All standard stuff. I don't give my credit card to anyone if I can avoid it.

When I hit that button, temu told me congratulations! Your order is on the way and I got a series of emails from both temu and PayPal confirming the transaction.

Wait a second!

There was no PayPal confirmation like there typically is. Temu is able to order through their system and take PayPal money whether or not I confirm it on my side. That was the new one to me.

I could have canceled it but then I decided I really wanted it. It's coming in the slow boat from China so maybe it shows up or maybe not. I couldn't even find it on the US side. And even if I did it would have been ordered from them.

Let's see if I can grow both multiple tomatoes and my various herbs and spices. I have the corner of the kitchen allocated to it.

Pop progress

The good. Apple strudel, Gueberry, lemon drizzle, two critical orange, two Cookie Apple. Anything I have doubles of I will put one aside to give it extra UV light.

The bad. Two LSDs were stunted and twisted leaves. If the next set is twisted, I'm killing them. I'll probably kill them anyway just because they're small, but I can't be sure at this stage.

Every slot is sacred. Oh well, I was hoping for a couple of those for UV difference comparison. I don't care about the LSD specifically since I didn't order them, they were freebies, but obviously they were freebies for a reason.

The ugly. Lemonchello Haze was absolutely no pop. It rotted in it's spot. I have a replacement to try. Girl Scout cookie had the seed split open and put the root out a bit but then it went nowhere.

The gelato seems stunted looking but the leaves are not twisted. I'll give it a couple weeks to see where it goes.

I put three more seeds directly in the media. Kush mintz, cheese, strawberry banana grape.

I figured if I touched the Girl Scout cookie and caused that root not to go any further, I'd be safer with the next three if possible. I prefer the paper towel pop simply cuz I like to see it in a day or two but it's not a requirement.

Transplant day. Yay.

Actually, yesterday was transplant day but we had a 7-hour blockout. The battery ran fine and kept everybody happy but I wasn't about to open it up and lose the heat and humidity.

I added plexiglass windows and ceiling so I can see in and the light can come in. I killed the LSD. The leaves were twisted and there was no point in letting it go. The gelato seems a bit stunted but I am letting that go for a while because it's not twisted leaves and I can expect a little bit of exotic boutique smoke if it stays small. The cheese and strawberry banana grape popped and seem okay. The Kush mintz did not pop and I'm sad because now I have no mintz.

I might just order that separately from someone else.

A week since my last post. I figured that's a reasonable schedule to show growth and any changes I've made without overwhelming with daily trivia. And there's lots of daily trivia just because I make it.

I've crossed the point of pushing humidity to exhausting humidity. Same thing with heat.

I've got a couple little seedlings in there that want it high but too bad, they get whatever the rest of the plants and trays give off.

The heat mats turn on occasionally during the day and for the 4 hours of darkness during night, but they are not enough to keep it warm against the night room. That's good because they give a natural setback of about 8°.

After varying the lights for a bit, I've simply settled on 100 w per foot at 40 in. That means all lights on, left and right at 100 and center at 200. The left area gets a cut up fabric bag as a light shield for young and fragile stuff. That will be gone in a few days.

The led lights cause visual lightening when taking pictures. If you see what looks like nitrogen deficient or light burn in the center it's mostly because the center light shines bright and reflects very light green / patchy visually and on the camera. It's a bit darker green without most of the blotches under normal light. I will take care of lighting when taking pictures once the trichomes show up.

All the older plants are wind tolerant so I have the oscillating fan going on most of the time. The younger ones are a bit stretchy and one needs support and I don't care. I'll let them grow because I want to see what they turn into.

I have way too much to pack the final space so it will be interesting to see how I juggle. I've given up on maintaining mothers or clones. Too many projects and it's cold outside and mothers must be maintained far away from the house. I'm just going to grow the max variety that I'm allowed and see what I harvest.

They started fighting for space so I spread them out. I will prioritize the Cannabis over the vegetables and move the veggies out in a bit. There's always another spot to drop another light. And I don't care about the veggie environment so much. I just have to keep it from the cats.

They are mostly three and four nodes. When they hit six nodes I will do the first top.

When they get within a few inches of the ceiling I will raise the roof. When they get a few inches of that I will lower the floor. I want to train them to push out but I'll try to do it so it's tight to start off with. They will be interfering with each other very quickly.

I might end up with staggered wire shelves since some might be much larger than others.

When you pack 400 w of LED close to the ceiling in a 4-ftx1-ft closet it gets a bit warm up there. I have two circular exhaust fans pulling the air out. The lights are 131° but the ceiling is in the '80s. I'm not worried about any leftover heat pushing onto the top of the plexiglas ceiling of the plant environment. They like it.

When I raise the ceiling I will lay out the plexiglass for total coverage rather than the way I patched the panels now. I might need a more powerful exhaust fan at that point since the light will be so close to the panels.

Okay, I think I've figured what I'm going to do with the quantity. The shed can handle a max of nine in a 3x3 grid. That's when things are trained to use the space and that means I need to reach in and do stuff. If I fill that in with other plants and can't even reach in who knows what I'll end up with.

So I will target that grid and keep out the rest.

Whatever does not go in the shed ends up in a sea of green. This nursery does not have to stay a nursery. I've already dialed in the perfect environment and light control. When it is time I'll try to figure out a way to sea of green this area as well as full flower in the shed.

Worthy of a second transplant and moved along. I put them in 3 gallon black bags and that should keep them for a few more weeks of veg and then I will move them into 7 gallons in the shed. I've done 5 gallons in the past and they seemed a bit small for the plants. I've done 10 gallons and I could not lift them when they were wet. It looks like 7 gallons is my sweet spot.

I saw way too many roots in those white bags to not transplant. I packed as many 3 gallon bags as I could and actually hit the correct number of plants that needed them, 10. I can pack 12 in this enclosed controlled grow space. I need more dirt. I will go get some.

When they were baby seedlings they had individual personalities and promise. Simply from what I read about them. But they were fragile. Some failed to sprout, others failed to transplant from paper towel, others rotted in place. I tried additional seeds planted directly in dirt to make sure I didn't touch the roots. I spawned more and more.

When they actually sprouted a few leaves they caused me panic as I thought they would die at any moment. I've killed a lot of plants.

From my perspective, the cost of the dead ones combined with the cost of the live ones plus my effort equals the plants I got. There is no concept of being sad on individual loss. But an individual loss might be an indication of a systemic problem and I have to pay attention. I didn't expect them to all survive, that's why I got a large assortment of things to try.

I also wanted a concentration of citrus which I got.

As they grew a bit more and strived towards the light or simply said, screw it and fell over, I babied and constructed support. I worried about knocking them over with the wind from the fan and was a proud Papa when they finally looked strong enough for me to not worry much.

Every time I walk by them and see them too light green, not dark green enough, I have to correct my brain and remember that the LED lights shine through them and they go much darker when the regular lights are on.

And then I turn the regular lights on and see that some of them are too light. But most of them are perfect. So I turn down the light a bit to make sure I don't burn anything and I start feeding them.

On the other hand, some of the plants seem to stretch a bit and want more light. I have three lights in there covering the entire ceiling. The center is a rectangle and the sides are squares so it is near perfect coverage. Now it is a matter of balancing the strength that someone wants versus the strength that others can't have. I can tell when a plant angles towards a particular direction when to turn one of the lights up or down a bit.

You can tell from the pictures how they angle.

I accept that I will never get it perfect because I will not spin these plants and they are locked in place for the next month or so with the exception of redistributing them in a week when I start doing the UV experiment. I have to pick a final four to put on one side so I can keep the UV there without affecting the other ones.

I really like Epsom salts. It's one of the few things I've used in the past that plants love and I haven't accidentally used too much. Everything I feed them I am feeding at half strength.

Okay, I've been doing a bit of research.

I will not do anything to the autos other than hit some of them with extra UV. I will not top or train them at all. I will get them in the largest bag of dirt I can as fast as possible and put them under the brightest lights I can.

They will have dedicated space in the shed for flowering before any of the photoperiod so I should be able to let them stretch out. Maybe I will put them in 10 gallons evenly spaced out and never move them. Since they will mature and be dead far sooner than the others, I will attempt to keep the others in veg in order to clone a few of them. At that point I'll legally be able to replace my autos with mothers.

I will get them in the shed as fast as possible and give them as much room as possible. I'll keep these other guys in veg and fit them in. The autos will grow faster and go into flowering stage before recovering from anything I will do to them so I will do as little as possible as far as any type of cutting.

There are three batches of growth. First has eight plants.

There are two Critical Orange Punch, two Cookie Apple Auto, and the following singles: Glueberry Auto, Lemon Drizzle, Gelato, Apple Strudel Auto.

Critical Orange Punch shows the best side branching. Tight internodal spacing. Short happy growth. Identical sisters. And it's a serious citrus. Perfect. That's my goal. I might even clone and mother this one. I've got a few more until legal max and I might kill one or two just to propagate these genetics.

Glueberry and Apple Strudel are also very nice on that but they are autos so I'm going to do as little as possible to stress them. So no training them other than guiding the occasional branch.

The Cookie Apple Auto seems a bit stretchy. It's nice to see sisters grow side by side and have them grow almost identically so I know it's genetically predispositioned. I don't mind their stretch. I just don't want to burn them. And they are the light green ones so I will have to figure my balance.

Gelato was a slow grower, and it still is but it seems to be doing fine. I've got time. Lemon Drizzle was a late seed compared to the others so it seems small but it's doing great.

Then we move on to the next batch on the left. They are two solo bags that I can spin for now along with some other little ones packed into the tub. I will pack a couple more tight when they're ready.

The back is Cheese. Simply happy. Nicely dark.

Then we have Strawberry Banana Grape. SBG for now on. SBG is nicely dark. SBG is stretchy. SBG is weak. SBG falls over the first chance it gets. SBG does not like wind. SBG needs support. SBG might be a cripple if it's supported too much.

So SBG gets a ring of twine and bounced in the wind. SBG got a bit stronger and now SBG stands on its own while swaying in the wind.

I have plans for SBG. I will baby this one.

In the back small bag I have an unknown seedling. It seems to be doing fine. I lost the label. I'll probably be able to figure out what it is by reviewing, but I really have no idea right now.

In front of that we have Lemon Amnesia Haze. It was planted at the same time as the unknown one and I thought it failed to sprout. After a week I dug slowly and discovered a tiny stunted plant and I am currently letting it grow. A week later it popped its first two leaves. I think the cotyledons rotted away. I'll probably kill it in a week or two to not have the distraction, but not yet.

I have some decent clear tape on order and a bunch more plexiglass thin panels so I will recreate the ceiling a few inches from the lights and tape it into the reflective walls. The point is to ensure an air flow channel to keep everything cool while allowing as much light through as possible. I also want some enclosure for humidity, but I've hit the point where the plants are good with what I can provide in the semi-enclosed space.

I will also pull most of the plastic from in front of the reflective walls to get the most reflection so I get the most light at all angles. The plastic was in there to ensure the humidity and now the plants are generating their own.

I am not sure if I will drop the floor simply because I will have to pull the autos from here sooner than I thought I had to and therefore will have the shed ready for everything and so I should not bother scurrying around with dropping the floor.

And the UV begins.

The plants were packed too tight. Four in a bin did not allow for air flow or for me to spin the plant and I could only handle that 2 days before I broke it apart.

I moved two plants to the open air Nursery. Let's see if it can handle my 45% humidity. I'll keep those roots wet.

I spread out the others a bit and chose the ones to UV. I have two pairs so I can compare them, Critical Orange Punch (cop?) and Cookie Apple Auto. I threw a third in at random simply because the space requires it. Apple Strudel Auto is the possible sacrificial lamb.

I have a reflective separator set up to isolate them for when the UV is on. I've increased their LED wattage from the bulb above to max 117 w to make up for the fact that I shoved a light bar in there that is blocking some of the light.

I strapped and wired in the UV bulb. It can put out 18 w and I have it set to 8 w right now. I will put it on for 10 minutes everyday at 7:15 in the morning. The plants wake up at 4:30 and so do I. 7:15 is just a random time I've settled on. I need to do it by hand since I don't want it to go on automatically while I have the plants open and I'm exposed by accident.

I programmed my power supply so that when that switch is turned on it kicks a counter and turns itself off in 10 minutes. So no matter how I turn it on, whether by switch or phone remote, it will never be on for more than 10 minutes accidentally. I will add an external red light that goes on along with it so I always know when it is on without having to look further. I almost looked in by accident just now. I will burn myself if I don't take special precautions.

The Cookie Apple Auto seems stressed with a bit of edge curl. It looks a bit light and stretchy compared to the others, and horribly light under the LED, so I am constantly double-checking my stress level on it.

On the other hand, if this was the only plant I had in there and I didn't have anything to compare it against, I'd be quite happy with it. It looks strong. If it wasn't an auto, I'd have a good time training it.

The others are doing so good, they set a very high bar. When I take them all out and spin them around under regular light and compare them it looks quite reasonable.

With the lightness and the leaf curl I would turn the lights down. But it is simultaneously stretching and looking for light. So I just let it grow because everybody else is good in this environment and I have to accept this one might not be.

I've replaced the plexiglass windows with larger, clearer ones. This gives me the ability to walk by and see things without craning my neck.

All indoor Nursery versus downstairs tomatoes versus outdoor shed for flowering has all been tossed up in the air, but in a positive fashion. The space downstairs has been turned into mine for the next 6 months and I can put anything I want in there including the flowering cannabis. I'll start with the autos since they don't care about the light and I'll determine whether or not I'll move stuff to the shed for the ones that care about it in a few months. Or I'll light block the environment down there.

Can you change the name of the title of this log because now it's a dozen assorted plants in a kitchen.

Nursery time is over, I ripped it down and rebuilt everything in my downstairs kitchen. There will no longer be a shed involved in this project.

Plants have been transplanted, some in final 10 gallon bags inside bins to allow for drainage.

I have 10 that are in significant vegetation, one that shows a couple of leaves, and one that is struggling along, crippled and sad.

UV play time is over. The ones I used it on didn't show any damage and apparently grew the same as their non-UVied siblings so I don't see why I shouldn't. I'm just going to hang the UV bars and use them on everything. I'll give them 30 minutes during their noon time and then bathe them in it during flowering.

I've turned the stove off at the breaker so I don't accidentally do anything to turn it on. I'll do the same for the water under the sink.

I use an external hose with a filter on it and boil some of that to warm it up and throw it in a 5 gallon bucket and just use a pitcher to water right now.

I've got as much on wheels as I can and I will swap out the table for additional rolling carts. Those 10 gallon bags are heavy when they're wet plus the bin can have a few inches of water in it. I can access all plants directly either by moving the rolling cart or reaching from behind the reflective walls. I will not lock them in if I can avoid it.

I will top off the dirt in the low bags. I wanted to get them in and settled and I'll be filling it all in in the next day or so when I'm transplanting the rest of them.

I can spread out the reflective walls and add more lights as needed. I have several in reserve right now. I'm pulling around 800 w from the lights at this moment and have two high amp 110 lines in there as well as two other circuits at my disposal.

You're not supposed to touch autos as far as cutting them because you can't depend on enough vegetation time for recovery so I'm just putting them in the biggest bags I can and letting them go. I'm not sure what I'll do with the rest.

In the past I would go crazy topping and playing with the plants but now I have far more plants and room that I ever had so I might just let them grow naturally. I'm not worried about underperforming some final harvest target. If they grow too high I'll bend a bit, but other than that I may not touch them. Haven't decided yet.

In the past it was a matter of trying to maximize production and I had no idea of the genetics of what I was growing. In this case I see some well-documented genetics that should produce without me actually cutting and bending too much if at all.

The two sets of plants that have siblings showed almost identical growth. The Critical Orange Punch is short and bushy and the Cookie Apple Auto is tall but not stretchy. It's very well proportioned.

I'm happy with all of them.

Pics of the kitchen set up and a few plants for examples:

3 more LED lights, one two bar and 2 quantums. One of the quantums is 120 w and the other is 240. The 240 is also UV and red, switchable, but I'm not sure how much UV since when it's on it doesn't change the draw, it changes the white output.

Added three UV/ red bars with only UV turned on. They max out about 60 w of UV, and I assume the three quantums carry at least 40 so I'm going to stick with 100 w of UV for ongoing documented UV.

Total regular LED is around 1080 w. I'm running high at a distance for maximum coverage and light from all directions. On the other hand, I'm running the UV bars low to give maximum frying.

The quantum boards do not have individual power supplies for UV versus the rest of the board and it does not have anything other than an on/off switch for the UV so it's either on or off with the light. I'm going to leave it on unless things start showing signs of distress. I will add in the dedicated 60 w of the bars for 30 minutes at 10:00 a.m. everyday.

Puzzle mats laid down. I know exactly what my allowable floor space is and I've filled it with tubs. I can fit a couple more in.

10 plants transplanted. Two more tiny ones to go but I can wait a couple weeks. I have to go find more bins. I've scavenged every one in the house.

Expanded the bars on the ceiling to the edges of the room. I'm as tight as the tubs allow right now but I will bring it wider as the plants grow and spread out. The lights and the hanging mylar can slide on the poles out wider as needed.

Good thing I have all the previous failed tent projects for these spare parts. And I just realized I have a couple of tents that will never be used again. I wouldn't mind simply slicing them open to get the mylar reflective sides.

I'm not sure if I want to lower the lights or not. These lights are high for the veg mode but I've turned them all up full so I think it's a wash as far as what kind of light the plants want. I want light from all sides. I don't mind having them all there running and I don't mind the heat they're generating. I'll pay attention for the next week and make sure everybody's happy and if not I'll lower them.

I don't want to. That means playing sliding bin games as I move the bins around so I can set up a step stool and get up there.

I initially strapped them in tight because I wanted them as high as possible and I had plenty of tables to put stuff on but I did not realize how heavy everything was and how everybody really needs to be on the floor because if I am screwing around with tables and rolling carts I am going to be lifting plants up. These plants are 75 lb a piece right now. I never want to lift them again.

And while I did have a great initial table in there, one of the legs cracked off. There were no plants on it. It was while I was moving it out of the room. Good timing.

So that means I have to drop the lights and actually install the hangers that I have on the side. Oh well, problems of having too much stuff to play with.

I will stretch out that mylar tight. It's way too wavy but I'm way too tired.

After transplant I gave it a day to settle and then I went for a water. Very light nutrients. Some Epsom salts. I am about to start pushing nutrients, especially in the autos since they are in flowering now.

I also lifted.

Knowing nothing about autos and their default height, short, at least these, I had to lift them to the lights.

Three of them started flowering and they are way too low. The other is short as well so I lifted as a group.

I considered dropping the lights but then I realized I'd have to juggle them for the autos as well. So I just put the cart and wire shelf back in.

I positioned the three UV bars around the cookie apple that's 60 w directed to it with a bunch of spillover. Keep in mind there's also UV coming all the time from the overhead rectangular quantum boards.

I'm going to give this plant a few more days to settle in before I start zapping it with the 60 watts.

Everything's new as far as light position and it might be too close. It has two lights overhead, one of the UV quantum boards and one of the crap 120s. It's sister has two of the crap 120s overhead. So I'm just going to leave this here for a few days and look for damage before I introduce that UV in.

I've organized for bin space so I can shove everything as tight as possible to get the best light concentration as possible. I've hung various mylar sheets close to the lights to get the best direction I can without going too crazy. Too late, I know.

There are three tower fans spinning, two on the bottom and one on the top at all times so the place is a whirlwind.

The lights do warm it up but actually not enough most of the time, so it's almost a perfect balance. I'm pushing 1100 watts on lights right now and I also have a couple of fans on the same circuit as them. They have a Hi amp circuit to themselves so I'm not worried.

The electricity is well distributed, no circuit uses more than half, and everything runs on a bunch of programmable monitoring plugs so I can tell what's on and what uses what electricity, and I can match it to the temperature and humidity.

Since the dedicated control devices then are fed through smart plugs, I can tell when something goes off or on programmatically. That means I can gang devices together to say if that device goes on turn this device on. That in turn means that I can use distant air flow fans without running extension cords to the initial control device. As well as other non-daisy chained units.

That means I can blink lights throughout the house when the UV is turned on. Danger danger. Where are the cats?

I put on the two ducted air flow fans always pulling air from the top and pushing it to the intermediate buffer room. The floor has a paint drying air mover fan that will turn on if we ever cross the threshold of needing to truly exhaust the room.

The grow space has a circle of hanging mylar enclosing it so I have walk space both inside and outside, and I anchor and pull it all around the place to angle the light and straighten it out as needed. Of course I have to give up on the ripples and the fact that I just want various open areas for some air flow.

The curtains of the archway to the living room are light block and I'm hanging them double both in width and on both sides of the threshold of the door. There's a 6-in distance and I'm hanging another set there. That also gives a great dead airspace buffer for temperature control. And when I say hanging I mean I have screws high above the door threshold that keep them tight.

When it comes to photo dark time I'll be able to seal it up. The intermediate room is total dark under total control as well as that's a walk space from a set of steps.

The outside windows are currently 95% blocked because I have light block suction cupped plastic which I use for traveling in hotel rooms. I'll do a total block as needed.

I can have all the cold air I want from the bedroom next which has an open screened window so I don't go outside the house for anything. I have 10-in hvac tubing that I will tape to the intake of the air mover. I love winter growing.

I ran my hose into the house so I don't go any distance for water. I'll water using a bucket and a scoop. Happily. When the plants get too big for me to reach in there I will put in some type of pump system.

I have done almost no nutrients so far. The sun gro #4 looks good. My fear is burning. I have time. I don't need to push them. The floor is 4° colder than the autos flowering near the lights. I'm just going to ignore it and let it go and focus on keeping the autos as comfortable as possible. I don't mind if they veg slower.

Don't worry about any perceived lean on any plant you see. The lights totally blanket across the top and no one grows in any direction. Any lean is a result from me moving it.

This is Critical Orange Punch. This growth just blows me away. I've never seen anything like it. Her sister shows good dense growth but not as good as this.

Since it's a photo I can make it as big as I want to. I have lots of space. I wonder how big I can?




Look up. Multicolor on the left is a $22 light. 113 w or so. There's two of them. They are mostly over the plant on the left. That is Cookie Apple Auto one, non-uv. The next plant is Cookie Apple Auto 2, uvied early.

Both of them are flowering in week 4. Do we count the moment we put the seed in the dirt or do we count when we see something germinate?

Above it is half of a crap light plus the the quantum board which includes UV. This is on all the time with the lights now. It has been that way for about a week. All rectangular quantum boards have UV but I don't know how much since it's not controlled separately.

The single bars are 20 watt UV a piece. There are three of them and they are focused around the second plant right now. So that plant gets the best light and will be fried or will produce.

Next down is apple strudel. It has the rectangular quantum board/uv plus lots of uv spillover and spill over from the light next door. That one's flowering as well.

The last one is glueberry. It is not flowering. Good. It has four bars of 85 watts a piece plus spillover from rectangular quantums and other bars.

Currently all of them have a mylar wrap near those lights to catch that light and push it down.




I have a 30-watt led garage light hanging for these pictures now so this is a true color as I can get.

Apple strudel:



Cookie Apple, overhead UV bar and quantum board. There's three UVs around hanging (all angled toward the single plant) like that with the quantum directly overhead. It's got a square additional spillover on one side and another quantum on the other.




Another cookie apple, this one will be getting UV spillover and it has the two squares above it. Plus lots of other spillover.



Glueberry

Ignore that double bar light. It's got four directly overhead.





I got these uv glasses. They're an absolute requirement. I would be blind long ago working in this environment. It's way too bright, even with regular sunglasses on because there's always spillover so you need icup glasses. These are really good for actually seeing stuff without going blind. I wish I could fit my regular close up glasses though. I'm going to start using a handheld microscope. I can't see close enough when it's bright.

This is the first time I've ever been able to walk around and reach to anything. I can stand under the lights. As long as I'm not giving my scalp cancer I think I'll be okay.