Poll : Will you vote for legalizing for just the people this time and not business?

Would you vote for a people only legalization in 2012 and not business?

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 90.5%

  • No

    Votes: 6 9.5%
  • Total voters
    63
Ernst

Ernst

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budsmoker87 said:
Yup, I agree


BTW Ernst- I don't live in Cali (or a medical state for that matter...but the black market of course, is strong here)


Could you list some of the regulations (taxes) behind the medical pot market where you are? I'd be curious to hear the whole scoop...to find out what one must pay out of pocket in "overhead costs" before any actual investment is made toward growing the crop
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Where I am at is a deep red county historically. Prop 19 didn't pass in this county.
We are not allowed to have dispensaries here. I cannot tell you about taxes with my experiences.
There is the Rancho Cordova example as the most egregious taxation. I will just approximate since I don't have the info on hand at the moment. I believe they tax medical gardens on a square foot basis and I think it's something like $90 a sqft or something like that. If I remember right they want $13,000 a year for a 5x5 garden or some thing like that. I believe it's Measure O http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB0QFjAB&url=http://www.elections.saccounty.net/coswcms/groups/public/@wcm/@pub/@vre/documents/webcontent/sac_025029.pdf&rct=j&q=measure o ranco cordova&ei=eO9zTaXhLImasAPhs8HNCw&usg=AFQjCNGD44lBhI_LLA-OwWaONY-4YGcGQg&sig2=vinftt2yvhlfqL5YccwxMg&cad=rja
 
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budsmoker87

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Ernst said:
Where I am at is a deep red county historically. Prop 19 didn't pass in this county.
We are not allowed to have dispensaries here. I cannot tell you about taxes with my experiences.
There is the Rancho Cordova example as the most egregious taxation. I will just approximate since I don't have the info on hand at the moment. I believe they tax medical gardens on a square foot basis and I think it's something like $90 a sqft or something like that. If I remember right they want $13,000 a year for a 5x5 garden or some thing like that. I believe it's Measure O http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB0QFjAB&url=http://www.elections.saccounty.net/coswcms/groups/public/@wcm/@pub/@vre/documents/webcontent/sac_025029.pdf&rct=j&q=measure o ranco cordova&ei=eO9zTaXhLImasAPhs8HNCw&usg=AFQjCNGD44lBhI_LLA-OwWaONY-4YGcGQg&sig2=vinftt2yvhlfqL5YccwxMg&cad=rja
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wow, just...wow

don't have time to read the article ATM...

but if you're a public "servant" working at the "depart. of health and human services" or "DEA" or "FBI" or "CAMP"...whatever the FUCK you call yourself, and you don't provide a good or service that benefits society at all, but you have the AUDACITY to THINK THAT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR, i've got some choice words for you :finger:


again, this is just evidence of the fact that the powers that reinforce the prohibitionist drug policies are focused around WHOM PROFITS FROM THE CROP
 
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budsmoker87

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BTW this makes me almost thankful that I DON'T live in a medical state...medical marijuana is a sham IMO. let the plant...just...BE
 
Ernst

Ernst

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budsmoker87 said:
BTW this makes me almost thankful that I DON'T live in a medical state...medical marijuana is a sham IMO. let the plant...just...BE
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What we didn't expect was that it would become a defensible base for cannabis millionaires.

I hope we can all see that a medical program is a good idea but it is overload without rights for all.
I'd think the medical program would clean up if people can just grow in freedom.
 
Ernst

Ernst

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budsmoker87 said:
wow, just...wow

don't have time to read the article ATM...

but if you're a public "servant" working at the "depart. of health and human services" or "DEA" or "FBI" or "CAMP"...whatever the FUCK you call yourself, and you don't provide a good or service that benefits society at all, but you have the AUDACITY to THINK THAT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR, i've got some choice words for you :finger:


again, this is just evidence of the fact that the powers that reinforce the prohibitionist drug policies are focused around WHOM PROFITS FROM THE CROP
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Rancho Cordova is uing taxes as a way to rid themselves of unwanted.
My older Brother owned a home there in the 1980's Back then the big problem was keeping homosexuals out of Rancho Cordova. So, they have a history of hate there.
I feel sorry for the people who try and hide a medical garden then get caught and the city of Rancho Cordova seizes their property for back taxes and kicks them out on the street.. Then arrests them for vagrancy.
 
secretweapon

secretweapon

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lol this is a hard place to argue for legalization as we are ALL growers, i understand that we all not in it for the money (myself included), but many others make profits off this "black market" its big bucks. its only natural for them to say they don't want it to pass.

And there are others that truly believe that it really should be free to grow any number any size anytime anywhere they want (I also believe this) but realistically I'm ready to compromise for something because i want to be able to enjoy the herb in peace and not have to worry about the made up bull shit "consequences" over a living plant that probably lived longer than man has walked the earth.
 
Ernst

Ernst

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The good thing is that we are talking.

If there is to be a foundation to the law. Some basic right we all share then growing some cannabis for yourself and your family is that foundation in my opinion. However since we are still in a weird state of things where cannabis is illegal and legal at the same time meaning that some make millions and some go to prison there are still high prices to be paid for both possibilities.
I suggest we lower the cost of both. No prison for growing all you can and sharing that with family and friends. Those who break the law and sell well they do so with risk.. Like it always has been. That is without a business license.
I just don't see how we can have cannabis freedom and still have cannabis prisoners like prop 19 wanted to do.
If all it takes to be legal is paying for a permit or getting a business licence isn't that reasonable?
That way commerce is regulated and private citizens support local laws.
We have to get this right in law and for all equally.
 
secretweapon

secretweapon

Active Member
Ernst said:
The good thing is that we are talking.

If there is to be a foundation to the law. Some basic right we all share then growing some cannabis for yourself and your family is that foundation in my opinion. However since we are still in a weird state of things where cannabis is illegal and legal at the same time meaning that some make millions and some go to prison there are still high prices to be paid for both possibilities.
I suggest we lower the cost of both. No prison for growing all you can and sharing that with family and friends. Those who break the law and sell well they do so with risk.. Like it always has been. That is without a business license.
I just don't see how we can have cannabis freedom and still have cannabis prisoners like prop 19 wanted to do.
If all it takes to be legal is paying for a permit or getting a business licence isn't that reasonable?
That way commerce is regulated and private citizens support local laws.
We have to get this right in law and for all equally.
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At the fundamental level lots of people just want it decriminalized completely not regulated, but i totally agree with regulation
 
Ernst

Ernst

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I assume the decrim camp wants to protect the market prices that prohibition makes possible.. Hence the 5x5 if a property owner gives you permission then one 5x5 per property.. That was designed to keep the rights to cannabis restricted and out of the legal hands of the individual..
So we need to start simple. If we cannot legalize for the people then we cannot legalize for business.
I was telling a local Anti-cannabis neighbour that the only thing the anti-cannabis people can do to shape the future is to support full legalization for all as a check and balance otherwise we will find billboards pushing cannabis as a product to consume on an industrial level.
So to make the playing field level we can offset commercial "drug pushing" with private gardens.
Don't get me wrong.. Folks will buy rather than grow if it is affordable so industry needn't worry.
 
Ernst

Ernst

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So it looks like our sample poll is high-ly in favor of people's rights to cannabis first!

Let us not try for an all or nothing initiative in 2012 let us simplify and Legalize for the people in 2012 then after that passes we work on business.

For the People in 2012
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Trying to split hairs on rights is interesting. If you take government completely out of the equation you will achieve freedom.

If a person then wants to grow a small amount and sell to his neighbor or grow a large amount and become a free standing business unchained from government regulation or subsidy it's none of my business what the fuck they do.
 
Ernst

Ernst

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Rob Roy said:
Trying to split hairs on rights is interesting. If you take government completely out of the equation you will achieve freedom.

If a person then wants to grow a small amount and sell to his neighbor or grow a large amount and become a free standing business unchained from government regulation or subsidy it's none of my business what the fuck they do.
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The all in one is a sweetheart deal with a safety net of if it fails nothing changes for those already in the business.

So I'm promoting establishing rights for people first. We have to decide about if we want to gamble in 2012 or not.

And I am proud of this politics forum. It seems to work and I have not seen too many things deleted.
 
sniffer

sniffer

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just look at the microbrews ,

These are heady times for Michigan craft beer.
While the states unemployment rate stood about 12% entering this year, breweries, microbreweries and brew pubs from western michigan to detroit to bellaire and bay city are adding Jobs,
Increasing production and investing in expansions and renovations totaling more than 70 Million.

we should be able to do what they are doing , cannabis should be just like microbrewing at home
 
Ernst

Ernst

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sniffer said:
just look at the microbrews ,

These are heady times for Michigan craft beer.
While the states unemployment rate stood about 12% entering this year, breweries, microbreweries and brew pubs from western michigan to detroit to bellaire and bay city are adding Jobs,
Increasing production and investing in expansions and renovations totaling more than 70 Million.

we should be able to do what they are doing , cannabis should be just like microbrewing at home
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Will be nice to exchange heirloom varieties and count on folks who grow out strains just to make fresh seeds for the future people.
Right now once some stain isn't making money it's lost in time for all times.
 
Ernst

Ernst

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Bump.

Do you have a vision for Cannabis freedom you can share?
Please do. We have to keep the conversation going in my opinion.
 
VER D

VER D

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its funny hearing it from a pot head but the only reason i would want weed to be illegal so it doesnt get to the wrong hands cuz i doubt big business would actually put time and love into their products and not to mention the shit they will add to it just look what they did to tobacco but then again i wouldnt really care cuz i would just grow my own shit if it was legal
 
Ernst

Ernst

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VER D said:
its funny hearing it from a pot head but the only reason i would want weed to be illegal so it doesn't get to the wrong hands cuz i doubt big business would actually put time and love into their products and not to mention the shit they will add to it just look what they did to tobacco but then again i wouldn't really care cuz i would just grow my own shit if it was legal
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Thank you for adding to this thread.

The contrasting thought I thought reading that is; would clear and unambiguous rights for the individual do what you want?
Put cannabis in the hands of the People and let the people care take cannabis.

Obviously commercial interests are like sharks circling over Cannabis.. I was thinking the way to offset the influence by business is to give rights to Cannabis without penalty.
I'm against placing Cannabis in the hands of business only.
 
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