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pulpoinspace

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Kushthemagictree said:
its a bit like telling a body builder he doesnt know how to eat because he uses protein shakes. He allready knows where the protein is or what contains it. He just has another way of consuming protein and in a quicker way.
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Is it? I don't think it is, at all.

It's like telling a body builder that what he needs is protein cause he's looking for chemicals on the internet.

anyway good luck to you its no skin off my back what you do.

to others though, i don't recommend going down this path. i stand by exactly what i said in my original post. You don't even need kelp, or beeswax to grow dank weed, let alone their active ingredients in concentrated form. Its all silliness.
 
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jondamon

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pulpoinspace said:
to others though, i don't recommend going down this path. i stand by exactly what i said in my original post. You don't even need kelp, or beeswax to grow dank weed, let alone their active ingredients in concentrated form. Its all silliness.
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This is the thing.

what’s wrong with trying natural PGR’s which are generally found in organic based nutrients such as kelp, seaweed, alfalfa.

When you don’t use organic and do use synthetic based nutrients why not look for Cytokonins and Triacontanol which are naturally occurring in alfalfa kelp beeswax.

I literally use a base A/B, some Epsom salts, calmag and MKP.

If Triacontanol is known for helping plant growth etc then why not try it.

can you grow decent weed without anything extra. Yes ofcourse.

if your environment is dialled in and you feel like trying these naturally Occurring PGR’s then why not?

Granted most people can be fairly content using a decent A/B base.

when you want to try and make the most out of your space by trying who in the hell can stop you??!
 
pulpoinspace

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jondamon said:
This is the thing.

what’s wrong with trying natural PGR’s which are generally found in organic based nutrients such as kelp, seaweed, alfalfa.

When you don’t use organic and do use synthetic based nutrients why not look for Cytokonins and Triacontanol which are naturally occurring in alfalfa kelp beeswax.

I literally use a base A/B, some Epsom salts, calmag and MKP.

If Triacontanol is known for helping plant growth etc then why not try it.

can you grow decent weed without anything extra. Yes ofcourse.

if your environment is dialled in and you feel like trying these naturally Occurring PGR’s then why not?

Granted most people can be fairly content using a decent A/B base.

when you want to try and make the most out of your space by trying who in the hell can stop you??!
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Had some time on my hands today so I gave this some thought. If you have too much time on your hands like me, give it a read.

For the scope of most growers I think it makes more sense to trust a nutrient company to include everything the plant needs. If you don't like or trust your nutrient company it's time to find a new one, but be weary of blindly trusting individuals and mistrusting companies. There is a wealth of disinformation claiming products from various nutrient lines contain PGRs when they don't. You can look up just about any bloom specific product and google its name with PGR and find some tool on icmag claiming he's got insider info that the product contains Paclo. So I recommend reaching out to your nutrient supplier and asking them. https://www.house-garden.com.au/faqs Here are the nutrients I use, with the question about PGRs 2nd from the bottom. Now, they chose their words carefully there, and after a firm "No Way!" they qualify that "PGRs refer to synthetic hormones or chemicals." So do their products contain any level of Triacontanol specifically? It's possible. I never cared enough to reach out and ask them. Ultimately I trust H&G to provide me with a safe and effective product and I don't think they're out to get me or fool me. They are nutrient experts, not me. It reassures me that this question and answer is up on their site. At the very least, they are on record as stating, "No" their products do not contain (presumably) any PGRs. So maybe it would be more accurate to say that my viewpoint is this: Avoid using products from companies you don't trust.

As for my own thoughts on the organic PGRs, we know that in their non-concentrated forms (i.e. Kelp or beeswax) they are harmless. When you start chemically extracting active ingredients and getting them into their most concentrated form and mixing your own elixirs chasing some kind of improved product, I would ask why you feel the need to do this? (Not you specifically, but the reader) Is it something wrong with your finished product or is it your perception of your finished product? (Or maybe just your tolerance you old Stoney Baloney). A simple lab test could give you the answer. Is the addition of kelp or beeswax with all other variables controlled going to push your THC from 20% to 25%? Are you going to know if it does? Do you think buds can get much over 30% THC? Do you think everyone growing 30% THC bud uses organic PGR? Maybe this makes sense if you're growing specifically for science or for a cannabis cup or something. It is definitely beyond my scope growing for my family's personal use. While it may turn out triacontanol is harmless even in concentrated form, one thing it definitely does is confuse the issue on substances like paclobutrazol, daminozide and chlormequat chloride which we know are not harmless and remain on sale many places. That is why it's easier to just say "Avoid PGR" because the benefits of doing so outweigh the potential harms. If you are on the bleeding edge of testing the effects of concentrated organic PGRs on humans then more power to you.
 
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PJ Diaz

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bk78 said:
Just plain old kelp extract does wonders. No need for any other shit, organic or synthetic.
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I like to add fulvic acid as well, which works very well along with kelp extract.

This is the kelp I've been using lately, and quite happy with it. Nothing drops out of solution like it does with some other kelp products, and it's very clean as advertised:

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Kushthemagictree

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bk78 said:
I laughed at a single post of yours, are you that easily offended by a little face on the internet? Really?

The shit you typed was laughable, so I laughed

Rock hard buds are PGR grown LoL
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Exactly my point “ the shit i typed was laughable “ you’re nothing but a clown pal, you’re opinion assumed my type was laughable, but you never added nothing to thread, you never said where you disagreed, or thought diffrent. You’re just another smart arse on internet thinking they know more than any one else and laughing at any thing that goes against you’re core beliefs. Typical intermet forum prat.
 
budman111

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Anyone use Indole-3-Butyric Acid? I have a suspicion that was the ingredient that got removed from the old roots excelerator bottles years back and it gave you massive furry whiter than snow roots that I have never seen since.
 
Babblez

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Kushthemagictree said:
Exactly my point “ the shit i typed was laughable “ you’re nothing but a clown pal, you’re opinion assumed my type was laughable, but you never added nothing to thread, you never said where you disagreed, or thought diffrent. You’re just another smart arse on internet thinking they know more than any one else and laughing at any thing that goes against you’re core beliefs. Typical intermet forum prat.
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Pmsl Fire a away my friend I’m not angry at ya. I gi my word I’ll google nothing I’ll answer or say ya got me don’t no. No one can offend me tru tx , out there window, online where ever so thanks. Come fire away lol. Shit one day in my shoes I have to wear glogs so they last the day lol. Bring da noice. Your funny bro lol
 
pulpoinspace

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budman111 said:
I have a suspicion that was the ingredient that got removed from the old roots excelerator bottles years back
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Do you have any evidence or reasoning behind this? or is this exactly what i was talking about in post #46

"There is a wealth of disinformation claiming products from various nutrient lines contain PGRs when they don't. You can look up just about any bloom specific product and google its name with PGR and find some tool on icmag claiming he's got insider info that the product contains Paclo. So I recommend reaching out to your nutrient supplier and asking them"
 
budman111

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pulpoinspace said:
Do you have any evidence or reasoning behind this? or is this exactly what i was talking about in post #46

"There is a wealth of disinformation claiming products from various nutrient lines contain PGRs when they don't. You can look up just about any bloom specific product and google its name with PGR and find some tool on icmag claiming he's got insider info that the product contains Paclo. So I recommend reaching out to your nutrient supplier and asking them"
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It was just a thought at the time but i'm sure it's still an ingredient in most root solution products
 
Babblez

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pulpoinspace said:
Had some time on my hands today so I gave this some thought. If you have too much time on your hands like me, give it a read.

For the scope of most growers I think it makes more sense to trust a nutrient company to include everything the plant needs. If you don't like or trust your nutrient company it's time to find a new one, but be weary of blindly trusting individuals and mistrusting companies. There is a wealth of disinformation claiming products from various nutrient lines contain PGRs when they don't. You can look up just about any bloom specific product and google its name with PGR and find some tool on icmag claiming he's got insider info that the product contains Paclo. So I recommend reaching out to your nutrient supplier and asking them. https://www.house-garden.com.au/faqs Here are the nutrients I use, with the question about PGRs 2nd from the bottom. Now, they chose their words carefully there, and after a firm "No Way!" they qualify that "PGRs refer to synthetic hormones or chemicals." So do their products contain any level of Triacontanol specifically? It's possible. I never cared enough to reach out and ask them. Ultimately I trust H&G to provide me with a safe and effective product and I don't think they're out to get me or fool me. They are nutrient experts, not me. It reassures me that this question and answer is up on their site. At the very least, they are on record as stating, "No" their products do not contain (presumably) any PGRs. So maybe it would be more accurate to say that my viewpoint is this: Avoid using products from companies you don't trust.

As for my own thoughts on the organic PGRs, we know that in their non-concentrated forms (i.e. Kelp or beeswax) they are harmless. When you start chemically extracting active ingredients and getting them into their most concentrated form and mixing your own elixirs chasing some kind of improved product, I would ask why you feel the need to do this? (Not you specifically, but the reader) Is it something wrong with your finished product or is it your perception of your finished product? (Or maybe just your tolerance you old Stoney Baloney). A simple lab test could give you the answer. Is the addition of kelp or beeswax with all other variables controlled going to push your THC from 20% to 25%? Are you going to know if it does? Do you think buds can get much over 30% THC? Do you think everyone growing 30% THC bud uses organic PGR? Maybe this makes sense if you're growing specifically for science or for a cannabis cup or something. It is definitely beyond my scope growing for my family's personal use. While it may turn out triacontanol is harmless even in concentrated form, one thing it definitely does is confuse the issue on substances like paclobutrazol, daminozide and chlormequat chloride which we know are not harmless and remain on sale many places. That is why it's easier to just say "Avoid PGR" because the benefits of doing so outweigh the potential harms. If you are on the bleeding edge of testing the effects of concentrated organic PGRs on humans then more power to you.
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Yo yo I’ve got mine on nap-50’s fuck me the buds are nearly as thick and hard as me wen I’ve had a viagra, well I jus look hard as fuck lol , and there even thicker than me yeeeee bwoy LOL
 
Babblez

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pulpoinspace said:
Is it? I don't think it is, at all.

It's like telling a body builder that what he needs is protein cause he's looking for chemicals on the internet.

anyway good luck to you its no skin off my back what you do.

to others though, i don't recommend going down this path. i stand by exactly what i said in my original post. You don't even need kelp, or beeswax to grow dank weed, let alone their active ingredients in concentrated form. Its all silliness.
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Paragraph’s, punctuation and spelling should be ashamed a self smoke the shit er er er allegedly grown then try be all grammared up and all that v important stuff. Jus tink ya self lucky and me for that matter I’m not writing this from pen , cus trust me ya’d have no clue wot it’s ment to be. May as well be hieroglyphics ( damn I’m proud of my SIRI for that word LOL ) cus trust my handwriting terrible. Well did nik miss farmers handbag wen we was kids. Sorry miss. She best teacher believe it or not lol. Safe peace nuf luv all later.
 
pulpoinspace

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budman111 said:
i'm sure it's still an ingredient in most root solution products
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evidence? maybe it is I have no idea but this is exactly what i'm talking about. I've never heard of Indole-3-Butyric Acid. After doing some research it looks like it is the active ingredient in Clonex. So maybe not all that similar to the other PGRs being discussed here.

www.humboldtseeds.net

How do Plant Growth Regulators (PGRs) work on my weed - Humboldt Seeds

This insight into the world of Plant Growth Regulators (PGRs) is designed to educate and bring awareness to both the scientific and Cannabis community.
www.humboldtseeds.net www.humboldtseeds.net
 
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pulpoinspace

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Babblez said:
Paragraph’s, punctuation and spelling should be ashamed a self smoke the shit er er er allegedly grown then try be all grammared up and all that v important stuff. Jus tink ya self lucky and me for that matter I’m not writing this from pen , cus trust me ya’d have no clue wot it’s ment to be. May as well be hieroglyphics ( damn I’m proud of my SIRI for that word LOL ) cus trust my handwriting terrible. Well did nik miss farmers handbag wen we was kids. Sorry miss. She best teacher believe it or not lol. Safe peace nuf luv all later.
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Cheers bud
 
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