Over 26 dead in school shooting

RyanTheRhino said:

NRA : well if you allowed us our second amendment right, our school teachers would have been able to bring their own guns to school ending this before it got out of hand.

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my rebuttal to the NRA: if the shooter knows the teachers are packing, then he's going to show up in body armor, thus escalating the situation and making it damn near impossible to take out the shooter.

UncleBuck said:

my rebuttal to the NRA: if the shooter knows the teachers are packing, then he's going to show up in body armor, thus escalating the situation and making it damn near impossible to take out the shooter.

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Body armor? What statistics do you have that even suggest your theory has any merit?

By body armor I am assuming you are referring to Ballistic armor, is that right?

Body armor does not make it near impossible to get shot, just more difficult. Body armor does not cover the entire body and even ballisitc helmets are easily destroyed with a single hit.

UncleBuck said:

my rebuttal to the NRA: if the shooter knows the teachers are packing, then he's going to show up in body armor, thus escalating the situation and making it damn near impossible to take out the shooter.

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rebuttal to your rebuttal,

wouldn't he think twice then. If someone is going to do something nothing is going to stop them ,but if you can shake them up enough they may change their mind.

AND It would be pretty dam near impossible to take out a shooter, without body armor, without a gun anyway

UncleBuck said:

my rebuttal to the NRA: if the shooter knows the teachers are packing, then he's going to show up in body armor, thus escalating the situation and making it damn near impossible to take out the shooter.

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Nobody has done this before. The movie shooter's "body armor" turned out to be a costume. cn

cannabineer said:

Nobody has done this before. The movie shooter's "body armor" turned out to be a costume. cn

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Uggghhh, caught ya slippin bro. LA BofA shootout pops into my head. Wasn't intended to be a mass shooting but the intent to make it difficult to stop them was clearly there.

They were stopped not by superior firepower, but the tactical use of standard firearms.

budlover13 said:

Uggghhh, caught ya slippin bro. LA BofA shootout pops into my head. Wasn't intended to be a mass shooting but the intent to make it difficult to stop them was clearly there.

They were stopped not by superior firepower, but the tactical use of standard firearms.

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I slouch corrected. cn

The 1 thing all these shooters have in common is they are all mentaly ill...................
How about we start funding our mental health programs, and get these people in treatment before they shoot somebody? If the conservatives would quit cutting "entitlments" there would be places for these people to get treatment.

squarepush3r said:

9/11 killed over 3000 people. Could you tally the mass shootings in entire history and get that figure?

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You must be talking about shootings in America.

Hitler lined up Jews in rows...
In mexico, they find vans full of torsos mingled with bullet holes, while another van holds the limbs.

Good point, sane people don't do crazy shit.

I'd bet the vast majority of shootings like these are perpetrated by insane individuals. Then you have your exceptions, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kazaski, etc.. I think those guys are much scarier. They're fully aware of what they're doing and dismiss the consequences for the cause.

What mass shooting wasn't perpetrated by mentally unstable people? Can anyone name one? The one in Norway kind of rings a bell, but, fuck, what sane individual kills 77 innocent people? His interviews, from what I've seen, seem pretty sane.. who knows..


Is throwing money at the situation the solution? Would these people seek council even if it were available? I'm sure most 20 year old's think they have their shit together and would be offended if anyone suggested therapy or mental health help. Just the way it is.. Someone calls you crazy, or suggests as much, your immediate reaction is going to be going on the defensive.

Were there warning signs?

I don't think gun control is the solution, more gun regulation, especially here, where American citizens are 8x's more likely to be killed by police than by a criminal.

More gun control only empowers those that don't respect the law. Anyone insane enough to murder 26 innocent people won't give a fuck about obtaining a weapon illegally. Furthermore, even with more gun control legislation, what's to stop a person from using a relatives weapon, as this kid did? All 4 weapons brought weren't registered to him, but to his family. More restrictions on guns won't solve the problem.

Glorifying his actions in the media, as I'm sure we'll see in the weeks ahead, only instigates the problem. His name should be mentioned once, the focus should be on the victims, the reasons, the solutions, not the killer.

Idk, I think the solutions start at home.. this kid must have had a shitty life to begin with to do something like this.. Maybe don't put unstable kids who have access to weapons thorough a shitty existence..


Anytime someone kills themselves you know it was tough. It's abhorrent what the kid did, but I'm sure he didn't wake up one day and decide to do what he did on a whim.. It was methodical, deliberate, planned..

Sad shit..

some people have suggested escalation, as in the 'teachers packing heat could have prevented this' theory.

i would suggest the opposite, de-escalation (aka CONTROL).

i would suggest a well-regulated militia, as prescribed in some document or the other, to keep the playing field even.

some basic gun CONTROL laws seem to make sense. realistic clips, restrictions on what type of weapons (for example, the type used in war, not hunting or self defense), thorough background checks, waiting periods, re-sale laws, etc.

i could go out and buy 5 guns and tons of ammo on the private market with no problem. i'd like to see that scenario met with many problems instead. buying sudafed is more CONTROLLED than buying guns and ammo, for fuck sake.

sure, some smaller percentage of determined maniacs and psychopaths would still exist, but it might have helped CONTROL things. jared loughner would have not launched off as many fatal shots as he did had the brady bill been renewed in 2004. he was not like the theater shooter, who didn't take out more people simply because his "tool" jammed up. the oregon shooter of a few days ago would have been shit out of luck had minimal guidelines been applied, such as locking your "tool" up when not carrying.

i am all for concealed carry but lock that shit up when it's not on you or near you lest some douche steal it and shoot up a mall, or some toddler decides to play with the cool thing on daddy's night stand. this is basic stuff, legislate it so the douches of the world can face a penalty.

you have to get a license to drive a car or brew beer, yet you don't need any such approval to rear a kid or buy up an arsenal off craigslist. perhaps we should CONTROL things a bit to make it tougher on the loughners and colorado theater shooters of the world?

Yea. And burgers kill people too. So do bears, lions, cancer.. LETS BAN CANCER. thats it, why didnt they think of this long ago.

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

The two modern countries with the most liberal gun laws also have the highest death rate per capita with guns. Those countries are the US and South Africa. Obviously it doesnt put a brake to shit. Anyone who thinks more guns is the answer at this point really needs their head examined.

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Lets also drive each aggressive breed and species of animal to extinction cause they pose a risk to us as humans. Fuck all the animals in the worls, they suck cause they kill people legally, well in their mind.

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

The two modern countries with the most liberal gun laws also have the highest death rate per capita with guns. Those countries are the US and South Africa. Obviously it doesnt put a brake to shit. Anyone who thinks more guns is the answer at this point really needs their head examined.

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Ban aggressive animals and creatures, ie., lions, tigers, rhinos, bears, snakes, insects,

oh and lets not forget, cheese burgers

canndo said:

i have seen figures on this showing that there was a large number of people in a survey who defended themselves or their property with a gun. I don't believe the stats. A popular chemical in used by weight trainers accidentaly kills two people (what ever that stuff is in turkeys), it is banned. Bath salts causes a death or two - it is banned. Hell, lawn darts caused some injury - they are banned. The majority of these incidents involve the death of the person using the chemical or item killing himself, and they are banned. But guns? Somebody takes a gun out and kills 27 people and the gun community claims it isn't the "gun's fault". No it isn't but they are diverting attention to the real issue. Folks like to kill folks in the u.s. And when folks like to kill folks, they can kill more folks, plenty more folks, when they use a gun to do it.

Now comes the real hard news. These deaths are the cost of doing business in america. Everyone wants to dance around it or ignore it but the fact is that our freedom is partial born by those kids who died today. Our freedom has collateral damage and that damage is often children - and the best thing we can do is come out and say so. Those children died for our right to bear arms.


Say it with me. Those childrend died for our right to bear arms.


And then go on about your business because it will never and can never change.

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olylifter420 said:

Yea. And burgers kill people too. So do bears, lions, cancer.. LETS BAN CANCER. thats it, why didnt they think of this long ago.

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we regulate things that kill people.

lead paint? yup, regulated. stupid babies and irresponsible parents paint their houses the wrong way and 2 year olds don't know enough not to eat that shit. it just looks so tasty, and momma ain't watching.

let's see, guns? their only purpose is killing people (and tasty/large & hungry animals). i don't ever use a gun to build stuff or accomplish tasks unrelated to killing. so it's a pretty shitty tool.

so i suggest that we keep the killing tools well-regulated among the militia.

Deadly creatures still need to be banned and so does cancer man.

regulate em and tax em. Hell yea.

I own plenty of guns, but i dont use them. I educate my family about what a gun can do... So does that mean you have the right to take my guns away from me? No.


Society in this modern era has made most americans soft and ignorant to many things.

UncleBuck said:

we regulate things that kill people.

lead paint? yup, regulated. stupid babies and irresponsible parents paint their houses the wrong way and 2 year olds don't know enough not to eat that shit. it just looks so tasty, and momma ain't watching.

let's see, guns? their only purpose is killing people (and tasty/large & hungry animals). i don't ever use a gun to build stuff or accomplish tasks unrelated to killing. so it's a pretty shitty tool.

so i suggest that we keep the killing tools well-regulated among the militia.

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UncleBuck said:

we regulate things that kill people.

lead paint? yup, regulated. stupid babies and irresponsible parents paint their houses the wrong way and 2 year olds don't know enough not to eat that shit. it just looks so tasty, and momma ain't watching.

let's see, guns? their only purpose is killing people (and tasty/large & hungry animals). i don't ever use a gun to build stuff or accomplish tasks unrelated to killing. so it's a pretty shitty tool.

so i suggest that we keep the killing tools well-regulated among the militia.

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I agree we should create a government agency to regulate guns and firearms

UncleBuck said:

my rebuttal to the NRA: if the shooter knows the teachers are packing, then he's going to show up in body armor, thus escalating the situation and making it damn near impossible to take out the shooter.

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If the guns are taken away he will use a bomb or could drive a big truck down the school sidewalk when school lets out...

More kids drown a year,so lets ban pools and soda machines that fall on them and bikes also.

Mindmelted said:

More kids drown a year,so lets ban pools and soda machines that fall on them and bikes also.

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And kids choke on things all the time so lets ban everything smaller than a baseball...

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

The two modern countries with the most liberal gun laws also have the highest death rate per capita with guns.

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6 out of every 9 firearm death in America is due to suicide. A fact that you brought to all of our attention.

Are you saying that if guns are taken away suicide numbers would plummet?

If so, Canndo will want to see proof...me too.