One More Reason To Hate Ron Paul

Ok the US used to have slaves, way back in the 1800's and before. That makes all Americans slave owners today right?

The Military lets gays in too, as long as they don't commit gay acts right? Do you suppose the church follows those light in the loafer members around into their homes and watches to make sure that those acts aren't committed? Maybe its more like the military, hey "its ok as long as you don't say anything or do anything in the open". Maybe? I don't really know since Im not LDS, but I'm assuming that is the politically correct stance nowadays.

Do you have any proof of their anti gay support? Any at all? and I don't mean someone who is mormon being anti gay, but actual proof that the CHURCH itself Sends money? Can you prove that at all? or are you grasping for straws?

I met some Mormon kids and got in a fist fight with one of them over my hat when I was 11. They come to my house occasionally with their white shirts and black ties call themselves elders, but look like 19 year olds to me, try to get in my house to tell me how great Jesus is.

NoDrama said:

Do you have any proof of their anti gay support? Any at all? and I don't mean someone who is mormon being anti gay, but actual proof that the CHURCH itself Sends money? Can you prove that at all? or are you grasping for straws?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)#Religious_organizations

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/article_84a8a9bf-6851-56a1-8c36-f170e8cd9f13.html

i can provide about 20 more of those if you want.

that is the church glenn beck chose to join.

it is not proof he is a racist homophobic bigot, it is just another piece of evidence that supports my claim that he is. as i said, nothing can prove what is in man's heart. but we dole out capitol punishment based on preponderance of sufficient evidence, so i think i can comfortably claim that glenn beck is a racist based on sufficient evidence.

UncleBuck said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(200#Religious_organizations

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/article_84a8a9bf-6851-56a1-8c36-f170e8cd9f13.html

i can provide about 20 more of those if you want.

that is the church glenn beck chose to join.

it is not proof he is a racist homophobic bigot, it is just another piece of evidence that supports my claim that he is. as i said, nothing can prove what is in man's heart. but we dole out capitol punishment based on preponderance of sufficient evidence, so i think i can comfortably claim that glenn beck is a racist based on sufficient evidence.

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Neither of those links worked, the first wiki page said it couldn't find what I wanted, the second link never loads getting me a 503 error. Besides if those links only show something About BECK it doesn't reflect anything on the actual CHURCH. You said that the religion of Latter Day Saints ( The Mormons) support anti gay movements.

ahhh, damn. site format killed that first link. second one works fine. let me try this again...

fyi - the wiki page ends with 8 and then ), which on this site becomes . damn smilies...

but here is the text. you can go to wikipedia.org and search 'california proposition 8 2008' and find 11 other links there...or just go to lds.org

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,[51][52][53] whose members are commonly known as Mormons, also publicly supported the proposition. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter intended to be read in every congregation in California. In this letter, church members were encouraged to "do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time."[54] Local LDS leaders set organizational and monetary goals for their membership—sometimes quite specific—to fulfill this call.[55][56] The response of the LDS membership to their leadership's appeals to donate money and volunteer time was very supportive,[57] such that Latter-day Saints provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California.[58] About 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state.[59] ProtectMarriage, the official proponents of Proposition 8, estimate that about half the donations they received came from LDS sources, and that "eighty to ninety percent" of the early volunteers going door-to-door were LDS.[60] The LDS Church produced and broadcast to its congregations a program describing the support of the Proposition, and describing the timeline it proposes for what it describes as grassroots efforts to support the Proposition.[61]

You got me there.

Well those damned Mormons, first they won't let them drink caffeinated beverages and now they won't let them fuck a fellow guy up the ass either.

NoDrama said:

You got me there.

Well those damned Mormons, first they won't let them drink caffeinated beverages and now they won't let them fuck a fellow guy up the ass either.

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as much as i would love to bask in the glory that is my internet debate victory, i feel obligated to speak for the more progressive mormons i knew back in high school who moved beyond all that 'no caffeine, no alcohol' nonsense. and i'm sure that even though the church takes that stance officially, more mainstream groups of mormons likely exist that take a differing view. i just ain't met or heard of any yet....

abe23 said:

Fail. Nobody is saying nazis should be banned from contributing to political campaigns or 'censored'. Unkie buck is suggesting that ron paul should return the money because he finds their views objectionable and doesn't want to be associated with neonazi dipshits. NOT giving the money back sends the opposite message. Returning contributions from questionable sources is pretty basic stuff for a political campaign.

Oh, the dumbass partisan hack mind at work...

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Gotcha don't do the best thing or the right thing, do the thing the lemmings do.
Sending the money back is just grandstanding. I think it is typical of these hacks who do send the money back. It's just another example of these arrogant politicians knowing best what to do with YOUR money. The pattern is obvious, the foolishness continues. People need to wake up.

OPs who start garbage like this to bash Ron Paul only do so because they are afraid of discussing the issues when it comes to him. Style over substance Yes We Can!!!!

I don’t think I’ve ever been to a church that would let an openly gay person be a church member. Of course I haven’t stepped foot in a church in about 15 years. But I’m pretty sure being gay goes against the most churches beliefs and teachings. Hell my sister’s church won’t let her be a member because she was married, got divorced and remarried.

I had 2 Mormon come to my house one day so I let them in to have a chat about God and religion. I never put my bong down. They stayed for about an hour. They wouldn’t hit it but I smoked the fucking room out. They had to have a contact buzz just from setting there.

Parker said:

Gotcha don't do the best thing or the right thing, do the thing the lemmings do.
Sending the money back is just grandstanding. I think it is typical of these hacks who do send the money back. It's just another example of these arrogant politicians knowing best what to do with YOUR money. The pattern is obvious, the foolishness continues. People need to wake up.

OPs who start garbage like this to bash Ron Paul only do so because they are afraid of discussing the issues when it comes to him. Style over substance Yes We Can!!!!

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Whoa. This is confusing....

You're saying it would be 'wrong' to give back the money...? Say you're running for public office, would you accept campaign contributions from neo-nazis? Communists? Satanists? NAMBLA? Would returning those contributions also be a lemming thing to do?

I don't really think this is a big deal and DO NOT think this make ron paul a racist. I like the guy frankly, although he is a bit of a cook and an ideologue as far as policy. THat's a different thread, but I don't like the message he sends by taking these people's money either...

I'm not a fan of government since as an institution it relys on force to exist. However in my conversations with Ron Paul, I'd say he's the real deal and is one of the few politicians that understands liberty. The first time I spoke to him he said, "I'm running for President and I don't want to run your life, I don't know how to, that's your job...."

I also like the plaque on his desk, the one that says "don't steal the government hates competition." Priceless.

Parker said:

OPs who start garbage like this to bash Ron Paul only do so because they are afraid of discussing the issues when it comes to him. Style over substance Yes We Can!!!!

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wow, you must be a lawyer. a really shitty one.

i say this because you are trying to guess at my intent and motive in starting this thread, and it could not be more wrong.

i would love to discuss the issues with ron paul. we would agree on just about everything, save the gay rights issues, a woman's right to choose, and his nonchalance about taking money from white supremacists.

suppose you were running a campaign: would you take money from neo nazis and say they deserve a voice? how about nambla? just because others rturn money as grandstanding does not make it the wrong thing to do.

BudMcLovin said:

I don’t think I’ve ever been to a church that would let an openly gay person be a church member. Of course I haven’t stepped foot in a church in about 15 years. But I’m pretty sure being gay goes against the most churches beliefs and teachings. Hell my sister’s church won’t let her be a member because she was married, got divorced and remarried.

I had 2 Mormon come to my house one day so I let them in to have a chat about God and religion. I never put my bong down. They stayed for about an hour. They wouldn’t hit it but I smoked the fucking room out. They had to have a contact buzz just from setting there.

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^that is funny, the part about hot boxing the mormons. and fyi, most jews, save maybe the hassidic jews, have no problems with gays.

UncleBuck said:

wow, you must be a lawyer. a really shitty one.
i say this because you are trying to guess at my intent and motive in starting this thread, and it could not be more wrong.

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shitty guess Kreskin

UncleBuck said:

i would love to discuss the issues with ron paul. we would agree on just about everything, save the gay rights issues, a woman's right to choose, and his nonchalance about taking money from white supremacists.

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yawn You're backtracking now. Here's the title of your thread in case you forgot "One more reason to hate Ron Paul"
Save the bs for the sheep.

UncleBuck said:

suppose you were running a campaign: would you take money from neo nazis and say they deserve a voice? how about nambla? just because others rturn money as grandstanding does not make it the wrong thing to do.

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Obviously I would say they do get a voice. I believe in freedoms for all, not freedoms for just MY causes.
You educate the masses, you do not manipulate them through force and coercion.

Parker said:

shitty guess Kreskin

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not so much a guess, as it was me mocking you for trying to guess the contents of my head.

Parker said:

yawn You're backtracking now. Here's the title of your thread in case you forgot "One more reason to hate Ron Paul"
Save the bs for the sheep.

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not backtracking at all. i never said i disagree with him on every issue. and yes, this is one *more* reason to hate ron paul. i also hate him for being a hypocrite as far as wanting a smaller government, yet believing that said smaller government would still be big enough to get into my wife's fetus. also the whole gay rights stuff. not much else beyond that. how is that so difficult to understand?

Parker said:

Obviously I would say they do get a voice. I believe in freedoms for all, not freedoms for just MY causes.
You educate the masses, you do not manipulate them through force and coercion.

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alright, then it's established. you would take nambla money and give them a voice. i wouldn't. i would return the money and let them try to gain traction with their message all by themselves.

no one loses a voice when a politician refuses their money. they still have their voice. another simple concept that you are somehow unable to grasp.

you would take nambla money and speak for them. a-fucking-mazing.

UncleBuck said:

not so much a guess, as it was me mocking you for trying to guess the contents of my head.

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you shouldn't mock what you don't understand

UncleBuck said:

not backtracking at all. i never said i disagree with him on every issue.

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No one accused you of disagreeing with him on every issue drama queen. But when you don't have a leg to stand on, by making things up, it smacks of desperation

UncleBuck said:

and yes, this is one *more* reason to hate ron paul. i also hate him for being a hypocrite as far as wanting a smaller government, yet believing that said smaller government would still be big enough to get into my wife's fetus. also the whole gay rights stuff. not much else beyond that. how is that so difficult to understand?

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As I said before. You do not understand what you speak of. Government has certain responsibilities. It is YOUR fault that YOU do not understand property rights and the what the right to life means.

UncleBuck said:

alright, then it's established. you would take nambla money and give them a voice. i wouldn't. i would return the money and let them try to gain traction with their message all by themselves.

no one loses a voice when a politician refuses their money. they still have their voice. another simple concept that you are somehow unable to grasp.

you would take nambla money and speak for them. a-fucking-mazing.

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As I said before you do not understand. Only someone with an agenda like yourself would make an idiotic statement saying Ron Paul speaks for nambla. You add 2 and 2 and get 500. I use the word agenda because I have faith that people in our society are not that moronic to believe that sort of lunacy. Time to put up or shut up, boy. Show me where he speaks for nambla.

You are dishonest when you say you mainly agree with Ron Paul as someone who does, would not post the type of hit message in the the title of the OP. You may agree with Ron Paul on the some issues but you don't understand the reasons behind them. That is your defect not Ron Pauls.

Parker said:

Time to put up or shut up, boy. Show me where he speaks for nambla.

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they're asking you would you send back money to nambla... as you said that it
"Gotcha don't do the best thing or the right thing, do the thing the lemmings do.
Sending the money back is just grandstanding. I think it is typical of these hacks who do send the money back. It's just another example of these arrogant politicians knowing best what to do with YOUR money. The pattern is obvious, the foolishness continues. People need to wake up."

so would you "grandstand" like a lemming and send back the money or would you keep money from nambla?

Parker said:

you don't understand...You do not understand...YOU do not understand...you do not understand....you don't understand

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kind of ironic that you accused me of not understanding when you missed the point of everything i said

first of all, what did i make up?

secondly, i never said ron paul speaks for nambla. that betrays your poor reading comprehension. i said YOU would take money from nambla. i base this assertion off post #133. after i asked you if you would take nambla money or give it back, you said, and i quote:

Parker said:

Obviously I would say they do get a voice. I believe in freedoms for all, not freedoms for just MY causes.

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finally, there is nothing dishonest in me saying i fully endorse ron paul's positions on basically everything EXCEPT taking money from white supremacists, abortion, and gay rights. in fact, that is the opposite of dishonesty. that is me telling the honest truth about how i feel about ron paul. but i forgot, somehow you know what is in my head better than i do....

obviously, you do not understand.

UncleBuck said:

finally, there is nothing dishonest in me saying i fully endorse ron paul's positions on basically everything EXCEPT taking money from white supremacists, abortion, and gay rights. in fact, that is the opposite of dishonesty. that is me telling the honest truth about how i feel about ron paul. but i forgot, somehow you know what is in my head better than i do....

obviously, you do not understand.

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Wait , Wait, Wait. You endorse Ron Paul's ideas on most everything yet you HATE him? That doesn't make much sense at all UB. Do you hate everyone that takes money from low lifes or just the ones that also do not endorse abortion? BTW Ron Paul endorses same sex marriages so long as they didn't "impose" their relationship on anyone else, on the grounds of supporting voluntary associations.

FWIW Ron Paul may not like abortion, but he doesn't think the Feds should have ANY SAY about it, it is a state matter. The guy delivered babies for a living, why would he want the federal government to take his job away? Im sure that watching a live baby being placed in a Bucket and ignored until it died is a memory no one would want, even the most ardent abortion supporter.

Personally I am totally against abortion, but totally for the right to choose. Do you hate me?

There were far more people killed in the second world war than just the eight(or so) million jewish descendants, and the other wars to this day have pretty much whittled to insignificance that number.
http://www.hitler.org/ww2-deaths.html
I came here to read about politics, not a diatribe against R. Paul, or any unfortunate coincidences about his political contributuions.
Sure we each have a voice, some appear to be louder than others, but if you believe that Congressman Paul supports the American Nazi party or the KKK, you should provide proof of his support!
Campaign contributions do not equate to support.

psilocybryan said:

There were far more people killed in the second world war than just the eight(or so) million jewish descendants, and the other wars to this day have pretty much whittled to insignificance that number.

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look at it by percentages instead and then tell me it is insignificant. furthermore, the jews never declared war on anyone, they were systematically exterminated.

psilocybryan said:

I came here to read about politics, not ... political contributuions.

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hmmmm.....i was under the impression political contributions fell under the realm of politics. in any case, thank you kind stranger for enlightening me on what is and what is not politics. on the list of 'not politics': political contributions

psilocybryan said:

Campaign contributions do not equate to support.

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i was planning to go off on another sarcastic tangent like above, but i think i blew my satire wad on that last one. so let's just, for the sake of brevity, scratch 'making a financial contribution' from the list of ways i may support a candidate's campaign.

please get back to me when the mushrooms wear off...