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UncleBuck
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at least we are in agreement that it is not absolutist (i think).
from there, yeah, we diverge pretty strongly.
SlaveNoMore
Active Member
What kind of deterrents? Deterrents might have stopped zimmerman but it isn't going to stop someone from walking into a mall or movie. theater and mowing people down. There is no deterrent for that kind of crazy. That stems from people not giving a shit about people who may be showing signs of snapping. Apathy
UncleBuck
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a gun safe is a great deterrent, would have stopped lanza in his tracks since another deterrent (background checks) kept him from even trying to buy a gun legally, and his own social inabilities and lack of money would have precluded him from obtaining arms illegally.
kpmarine
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Only in the hands of someone who has done a lot of range time, that kind of gun is what we refer to as "A gun that outshoots you.". Ignoring the cost of such a gun, it takes time and training to become proficient at long ranges. There is nothing a highly accurized rifle can do that an off the rack hunting rifle can't in an urban environment.
Unless you make a career for yourself as a hitman who only kills people in large open fields; this is not going to facilitate your criminal activity any more than a .308 deer gun and some wal-mart optics. Scoped and accurized weapons require training, time, money, expensive specialty ammo in quantity (We are talking over $1 a round), and constant upkeep and practice to be useful. All of which make them ideal for hobbyists, hunters, and people with too much money. Can you lay out for me a way in which this is commonly used for crime? These kind of rifles aren't just now circulating, they have been since at least after the great surplus dump after WW2. With that in mind, can you direct me to a way in which they were commonly used?
echelon1k1
New Member
Not so with holmes...
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
yeah, for people like holmes, we would have needed aussie-like prohibition, which no one in the states is for (save some really reality-deluded, naive folks).
we will never change our constitution to be like yours, the second is here to stay.
SlaveNoMore
Active Member
If I am going to be taken out by a lunatic I would rather be shot than stabbed or beat to death with a bat.
WillyBagseed
Active Member
Besides saying shall not be infringed it also says well regulated. Take both or none.
If you are upset with gun regulations i hope you are fighting the good fight to get felons their guns back. Even if you try to say a felon loses the right to bear arms you would be wrong. That in and of itself is infringement.
If you are upset with gun regulations i hope you are fighting the good fight to get felons their guns back. Even if you try to say a felon loses the right to bear arms you would be wrong. That in and of itself is infringement.
echelon1k1
New Member
I can go out right now and buy a "sniper rifle" chambered for a .338 Lapua... Obviously the definition of "prohibition" escapes you at this time.
We didn't change our constitution so keep on a failing there feinstein... Your views on firearms is laughable; watching you flail away while you taint another thread with ignorance is priceless!
Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
I agree, but the number of people hunting for food absolutely exceeds the number of insane snipers who decide to start picking off civilians, would you agree?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
crowds don't trump rights.
echelon1k1
New Member
Can you expand? As the beltway "sniper" used a m4 carbine variant and not a precision rifle or "sniper rifles" as you call them...
WillyBagseed
Active Member
You people do know the 2nd was put in for militias, mostly in the south don't you.
The part about fighting a tyrannical government is a more recent made up argument .
Please read up on your history instead of fliers printed by nut jobs claiming to be patriots using false history for their argument .
The part about fighting a tyrannical government is a more recent made up argument .
Please read up on your history instead of fliers printed by nut jobs claiming to be patriots using false history for their argument .
Bretz
Member
Not only can you apprehend criminals, you can prosecute them as well.
Private Attorney General.
Most criminal prosecutions today in the United States and other countries in the Anglo-American legal tradition are conducted by public prosecutors who are public employees, but until the late 19th century most criminal prosecutions in the United States were conducted by private persons, usually but not always lawyers, either paid by private parties or asked by the court to serve pro bono. Private criminal prosecutions are still legal in several of those countries, including several states of the United States.
I use this.
Quo warranto (Medieval Latin for "by what warrant?") is a prerogative writ requiring the person to whom it is directed to show what authority they have for exercising some right or power (or "franchise") they claim to hold.
Or this depending on the situation.
Qui tam
In common law, a writ of qui tam is a writ whereby a private individual who assists a prosecution can receive all or part of any penalty imposed. Its name is an abbreviation of the Latin phrase qui tam pro domino rege quam pro se ipso in hac parte sequitur, meaning "[he] who sues in this matter for the king as [well as] for himself." A more literal translation would be "who as much for [our] lord the king as for himself in this action pursues" or "follows."
I focus on so called law enforcement and judges. That's what I do. What I'm known for.
The good little Germans do not have all the power. We do. They can screw with all the other dummies but they know I will eat their substance. That's a fact.
Private Attorney General.
Most criminal prosecutions today in the United States and other countries in the Anglo-American legal tradition are conducted by public prosecutors who are public employees, but until the late 19th century most criminal prosecutions in the United States were conducted by private persons, usually but not always lawyers, either paid by private parties or asked by the court to serve pro bono. Private criminal prosecutions are still legal in several of those countries, including several states of the United States.
I use this.
Quo warranto (Medieval Latin for "by what warrant?") is a prerogative writ requiring the person to whom it is directed to show what authority they have for exercising some right or power (or "franchise") they claim to hold.
Or this depending on the situation.
Qui tam
In common law, a writ of qui tam is a writ whereby a private individual who assists a prosecution can receive all or part of any penalty imposed. Its name is an abbreviation of the Latin phrase qui tam pro domino rege quam pro se ipso in hac parte sequitur, meaning "[he] who sues in this matter for the king as [well as] for himself." A more literal translation would be "who as much for [our] lord the king as for himself in this action pursues" or "follows."
I focus on so called law enforcement and judges. That's what I do. What I'm known for.
The good little Germans do not have all the power. We do. They can screw with all the other dummies but they know I will eat their substance. That's a fact.
SlaveNoMore
Active Member
This is interesting echelon. I wanted to ask you if Australians experience the same kind of random mass murdering like here in the US?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
when did i say you changed your constitution? i said we won't change ours.
self defense is not even a reason to get a gun in your island shithole. we'll never be like you guys. ever.
go be angry somewhere else.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
not since the government forced a firearms agreement on them and bought back all their guns in 1996.
no mass murders since.
SlaveNoMore
Active Member
I don't know their gun laws. I do know that echelon said he owns a gun so they must be available.
There is always a black market.
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