Obama Should Order the CIA to Assassinate Snowden...

echelon1k1 · Jul 12, 2013

Ringsixty said:
Say What?
I think, Obama should order the CIA to assassinate Obama.

Obama is well aware that's a reality he faces. Why do you think he put brennan in as DCI? He thinks he has someone over there he can control therefore keeps him looking good with all the agency types.

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

cannabineer said:
The thing with which i have the biggest problem. Why do these civilians

get the fancy deathtoys while these

do not? cn

those civilians are tasked with a different set of duties than the latter.

cannabineer · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
i'm sure there's a lot of justifications that could be proposed, but the fact is that your right to self defense or hunting has not been infringed in any way.

so i fail to see a problem.

Of course. You have unilaterally defined that those are the only admissible reasons to own a gun. There are others, e.g. long-range marksmanship. Has anyone committed a crime with a .50-caliber rifle? Why ban'em except guns, ewww? cn

cannabineer · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
those civilians are tasked with a different set of duties than the latter.

No sale. I expect that civilians have parity with civilians. cn

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

cannabineer said:
Of course. You have unilaterally defined that those are the only admissible reasons to own a gun. There are others, e.g. long-range marksmanship. Has anyone committed a crime with a .50-caliber rifle? Why ban'em except guns, ewww? cn

long range marksmanship is incompatible with self defense by definition. if someone is a long way away, they are not a threat to you.

why wait until someone mows down a crowded cafeteria with a fully automatic before deciding that they serve no civilian purpose?

echelon1k1 · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
long range marksmanship is incompatible with self defense by definition. if someone is a long way away, they are not a threat to you.

Quote of the Day!

cannabineer · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
long range marksmanship is incompatible with self defense by definition. if someone is a long way away, they are not a threat to you.

why wait until someone mows down a crowded cafeteria with a fully automatic before deciding that they serve no civilian purpose?

Have I said thing one about full autos? Does this topic so compel you to bodyslam the goalposts? :mrgreen:

cn

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

cannabineer said:
No sale. I expect that civilians have parity with civilians. cn

despite the different duties?

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

cannabineer said:
Have I said thing one about full autos? Does this topic so compel you to bodyslam the goalposts? cn

point remains. what does a civilian need with a sniper rifle?

cannabineer · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
despite the different duties?

What different duties? Police have two and only two legitimate duties:
1) investigate and solve crimes
2) apprehend criminal suspects

They are not Your Total Security Solution™. That task is distributed across all civilian citizens, and the tools therefor should be distributed accordingly. The separation and elevation of the uniformed civilians is based on a lie, and we should stand together to reject it. All jmo.

UncleBuck said:
point remains. what does a civilian need with a sniper rifle?

Since when is need a reasonable criterion? What part of "we should all have equal access to arms" is unclear or hateful to you? cn

echelon1k1 · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
point remains. what does a civilian need with a sniper rifle?

You haven't thought this through... Are you advocating the ban of bolt action rifles now? LOL....

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

cannabineer said:
What different duties? Police have two and only two legitimate duties:
1) investigate and solve crimes
2) apprehend criminal suspects

They are not Your Total Security Solution™. That task is distributed across all civilian citizens, and the tools therefor should be distributed accordingly. The separation and elevation of the uniformed civilians is based on a lie, and we should stand together to reject it. All jmo.

it's not your job to apprehend criminal suspects, and you yourself said your ability to effect self defense is still intact.

different tools for different duties.

cannabineer said:
Since when is need a reasonable criterion? What part of "we should all have equal access to arms" is unclear or hateful to you? cn

sniper rifles serve no purpose for self defense, they are tools of war. they serve no purpose in civilian life besides to make a murderer's life easier.

SlaveNoMore · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
sniper rifles serve no purpose for self defense, they are tools of war. they serve no purpose in civilian life besides to make a murderer's life easier.

Or it makes killing a dear easier and more humane.

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

SlaveNoMore said:
Or it makes killing a dear easier and more humane.

your right to kill a deer more easily does not trump someone else's right to not be picked off by a sniper.

kpmarine · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
sniper rifles serve no purpose for self defense, they are tools of war. they serve no purpose in civilian life besides to make a murderer's life easier.

A "sniper rifle" is not what you think it is. A "sniper" is a person who went to a particular training facility (Sniper school); the rifle is irrelevant. The only defining features a sniper rifle has are ultra-tight tolerances in manufacturing and some specialized modifications for accuracy. If you haven't gone to sniper school, all you have is a really accurate deer, big game, or target rifle; all of which would be "sporting"applications.

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

kpmarine said:
The only defining features a sniper rifle has are ultra-tight tolerances in manufacturing and some specialized modifications for accuracy.

which make it the ideal weapon for killing humans not in self defense.

SlaveNoMore · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
your right to kill a deer more easily does not trump someone else's right to not be picked off by a sniper.

I agree, but there is no way to stop a person from making a "sniper rifle" for the purpose of picking people off. If a person is going to kill another person there is nothing that can stop them if they are intent on doing such.

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

SlaveNoMore said:
I agree, but there is no way to stop a person from making a "sniper rifle" for the purpose of picking people off. If a person is going to kill another person there is nothing that can stop them if they are intent on doing such.

don't underestimate what a healthy set of deterrents can do in mitigating carnage, both frequency and volume.

cannabineer · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
it's not your job to apprehend criminal suspects, and you yourself said your ability to effect self defense is still intact.

different tools for different duties.

No; what I am saying is that the Total Security Solution™ is every citizen's job, not only a police officer's. Apprehending criminal suspects I happily leave to the ones in the uniforms; I am not paid (enough) to deal with that.

sniper rifles serve no purpose for self defense, they are tools of war. they serve no purpose in civilian life besides to make a murderer's life easier.

Arms are by their very nature the principal tools of war. You are trying to distinguish between tools of war and tools of "legitimate" (the Big Lie) defense/sport. The whole point of something like the Second Amendment is the distribution of the power to do awful things away from an authoritarian Center. Jmo. cn

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

cannabineer said:
No; what I am saying is that the Total Security Solution™ is every citizen's job, not only a police officer's.

zimmy sure thought so, and had no problem with the pay rate (see next blurb).

cannabineer said:
Apprehending criminal suspects I happily leave to the ones in the uniforms; I am not paid (enough) to deal with that.

cannabineer said:
Arms are by their very nature the principal tools of war. You are trying to distinguish between tools of war and tools of "legitimate" (the Big Lie) defense/sport. The whole point of something like the Second Amendment is the distribution of the power to do awful things away from an authoritarian Center. Jmo. cn

there's a reason why certain arms are standard issue in the miltary, and certain weapons that would make any soldier a laughing stock if they carried them.

the whole point of the second amendment has changed a whole lot since the days of cannonballs and muskets and no standing army.

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