Obama ... He's Lookin' Good!

ChChoda

ChChoda

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hanimmal said:
Dude you went a bit off the rails here. How can something be a communist and fascist state? Then you toss in statist, which I take it you mean status quo? Not sure.

Anyway I was very informed when I voted and am very happy with the things he is doing.
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Communists and fascists are both statists. They both despise liberty. They both despise freedom. They both worship absolute power in the hands of the state. They both hate America, as it once was. As the Constitution says it should be. As many great men understood it to be. As a long dead Republican once said.....

and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Communists and fascists are both statists. They both despise liberty. They both despise freedom. They both worship absolute power in the hands of the state. They both hate America, as it once was. As the Constitution says it should be. As many great men understood it to be. As a long dead Republican once said.....

and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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That is actually a really well put statement. I'm impressed.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/barack-obama/health-insurance-company-turned-profit-not-rec/


What's left out is the fact that Insurance Companies make their profits, not on the policies, but on the delay between the time period that they bring in the premiums and copays and pay out reimbursements. So for them to be making profits isn't a sign that they are charging to much for insurance (something that the government would be obligated to do, but will attempt to hide through hidden taxes) but that they are investing during the float period in such a way as to continue to make profits.

Their short-term investing is also a good thing, as it probably increases the liquidity in the market. Any Socialist Government Insurance Bureaucracy would likely be prohibited from short-term investing, or be required to invest in t-bonds, bankrupting the company.

Not to mention the fact that current plans for Obama's Nazi-esque plan requires that you either get the government's shitty insurance, another company's insurance, or pay 2.5% of your income in fines for not having insurance. Which is a totally absurd if the real goal is to ensure that everyone has access to medical care (which medical insurance is not.)

As far as intelligence, Obama has none, when it comes to the typical tacts of lying, deceit, defrauding, and bullshitting (all traits of lawyers and politicians) then Obama has plenty of skill. Which should not be any surprise considering the fact that he is a demagogue.
 
Big P

Big P

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TheBrutalTruth said:
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/barack-obama/health-insurance-company-turned-profit-not-rec/


What's left out is the fact that Insurance Companies make their profits, not on the policies, but on the delay between the time period that they bring in the premiums and copays and pay out reimbursements. So for them to be making profits isn't a sign that they are charging to much for insurance (something that the government would be obligated to do, but will attempt to hide through hidden taxes) but that they are investing during the float period in such a way as to continue to make profits.

Their short-term investing is also a good thing, as it probably increases the liquidity in the market. Any Socialist Government Insurance Bureaucracy would likely be prohibited from short-term investing, or be required to invest in t-bonds, bankrupting the company.

Not to mention the fact that current plans for Obama's Nazi-esque plan requires that you either get the government's shitty insurance, another company's insurance, or pay 2.5% of your income in fines for not having insurance. Which is a totally absurd if the real goal is to ensure that everyone has access to medical care (which medical insurance is not.)

As far as intelligence, Obama has none, when it comes to the typical tacts of lying, deceit, defrauding, and bullshitting (all traits of lawyers and politicians) then Obama has plenty of skill. Which should not be any surprise considering the fact that he is a demagogue.
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man i baked outa my gord. TBT may I ask what your occupation is? you know a lot of shit
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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The insurance companies investing is a great thing and the reason why people can pay less to buy insurance than they will eventually use (on average) in the healthcare system. Nobody (that knows anything about the financial system) is going to argue that. But where the problem arises is when people are having their insurance company deny them coverage for operations that they need when they most need them in the name of profits.

Also denying insurance either before they get it or after they have it due to 'pre-exsisting' conditions. Again in the name of profits. They should invest and make as much as possible but cutting coverage is not the way to do that.

That is the only reason why we are in this place. Instead of them figuring out a way to get everyone covered and therefore medical care becoming affordable, they denied them.


The reason why the 2.5% tax for people that are not going to go onto some kind of coverage is because they are (mostly) going and getting care (eventually) with the rest of our money one way or another. And if someone is paying that money and not getting health insurance, it is a easy fix to just go ahead and get it allowing you to get the basic plans that should be about the same prices.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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Big P said:
man i baked outa my gord. TBT may I ask what your occupation is? you know a lot of shit
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Software Engineer, but I read a lot. Everything from fiction to non-fiction ranging from electrical engineering to mathematics, finance, accounting. The amount of information available is really amazing when you go looking.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Uhhhh.....


Cornell economists Richard Burkhauser and Kosali Simon predicted in a 2007 National Bureau of Economic Research study that a payroll tax increase of about this magnitude plus the recent minimum wage increase will translate into hundreds of thousands of lost jobs for those with low wages. Pay or play schemes, says Mr. Burkauser, “wind up hurting the very low-wage workers they are supposed to help.” The CBO agrees, arguing that play or pay policies “could reduce the hiring of low-wage workers, whose wages could not fall by the full cost of health insurance or a substantial play-or-pay fee if they were close to the minimum wage.”
 
purplekitty7772008

purplekitty7772008

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ViRedd said:
Obama is doing a GREAT job ... if the complete remaking of America into a fascist/communist/statist country is your goal.

Friends, we are witnessing a revolution in the making ... and its happening fast. The structure is in place, the congress, senate and executive have been taken over by radical progressives. Like in 1933, under FDR's first 100 days, the revolution is passing by in the dead of night, under the guise of "crisis," and not a shot is being fired.

For all of you who voted for Obama ... your misinformed votes have sold the country down the down the river ... and burdened future generations with insurmountable debt.

Vi
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thank you.

I voted for Obama, and I sure as hell regret it after I did some reading
on his ass.

Why in the fuck didn't I vote for Ron Paul?

:?

If anyone does the reading, you will have found out that the new gov't
medical care or whatever you want to call it, is bullshit.

So if I don't want to buy your shitty health insurance, I will be fined?

Wtf is that?

So when the government is trying to force me to buy shit
for health insurance that I don't want, I will be paying for it anyway?

:spew:

Did you know the bill for that new medical care is floating around in
Congress without even so much as a bill number? (thats what I've
read)

Hmm....sounds strange.

And they are trying to force this medical care or whatever on us
because if this bill passes, they will send all of your highly confidential

medical information into a huge federal database. Why in the fuck would
the gov't want access to all of our medical records.

Along with your medical records being fed into this huge database, so
would all the information on ANY registered guns you have.

Wtf...

wtf..

WTF!!!!
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
The fun part on the health bill is they added a 500 page addition the week of the vote scheduling and then 1hour before the vote they added another 1000 plus pages all on the basis that they knew it could not all be read in the time before any vote. more sneaky crap from the Crook county Crew. Even obama former docter(now he has white house medical) said the bill was crazy and wouldnt work and had no idea why he would even think of pushing it through and yes his doctor is african american and democrate so not a party line stance.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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purplekitty7772008 said:
thank you.

I voted for Obama, and I sure as hell regret it after I did some reading
on his ass.

Why in the fuck didn't I vote for Ron Paul?
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Well, you're not alone. There are millions who voted for Obama who now regret their votes. Not only that, but the Democrats in congress and the senate, now that they have a solid majority, are showing their complete stupidity and corruption. 2010 will be a sea change ... as will 2012.

Vi
 
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NoDrama

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ViRedd said:
Well, you're not alone. There are millions who voted for Obama who now regret their votes. Not only that, but the Democrats in congress and the senate, now that they have a solid majority, are showing their complete stupidity and corruption. 2010 will be a sea change ... as will 2012.

Vi
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Thats IF the votes are counted, the counters of the votes may decide that yours doesn't count cuz it has a "hanging Chad" in fact all the votes that don't have Obama or his associates names on them seem to all have chads and are not countable. Lets hope history does not repeat.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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NoDrama said:
Thats IF the votes are counted, the counters of the votes may decide that yours doesn't count cuz it has a "hanging Chad" in fact all the votes that don't have Obama or his associates names on them seem to all have chads and are not countable. Lets hope history does not repeat.
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Your right, of course, ND. Now the thing to worry about is A.C.O.R.N. and all the dead Democrats who still vote from the graveyard.

Vi
 
medicineman

medicineman

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ViRedd said:
Your right, of course, ND. Now the thing to worry about is A.C.O.R.N. and all the dead Democrats who still vote from the graveyard.

Vi
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This is really the pinnacle of stupidity. Dead democrats can't vote. What happens with Acorn is the name collectors get paid by the amount of names collected and go through the deceased rolls to garner more names, crooked I know, but not ACORNs fault, and no, they do not vote. This is typical of right wing attack lies, and V-Roid is one of the most prolific liars on this site, bar none.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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medicineman said:
This is really the pinnacle of stupidity. Dead democrats can't vote. What happens with Acorn is the name collectors get paid by the amount of names collected and go through the deceased rolls to garner more names, crooked I know, but not ACORNs fault, and no, they do not vote. This is typical of right wing attack lies, and V-Roid is one of the most prolific liars on this site, bar none.
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And yet, you have NEVER been able to dispute one thing that I've ever posted. All you do is resort to personal attacks, Med. Rather than attacking the other members here, you might want to strengthen your arguments instead.

With that said, you really don't understand the depth and reach of the ACORN organization, do you?

Vi
 
medicineman

medicineman

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ViRedd said:
And yet, you have NEVER been able to dispute one thing that I've ever posted. All you do is resort to personal attacks, Med. Rather than attacking the other members here, you might want to strengthen your arguments instead.

With that said, you really don't understand the depth and reach of the ACORN organization, do you?

Vi
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I entirely understand what ACORN does. It is apparent that you do not. They solicit voters for both parties, in case you didn't know it. They are more interested in getting Democratic voters to the polls, yes I recognize that, but they must register anyone they approach, be them democrat or republican or whig or anything they call themselves. Being registered (Especially if one is dead) does not guarantee one will vote. They only register. They do not stuff ballot boxes. Show me some cases where dead people voted in the last election, that's right, you cant. So stop with the lies and bullshit.
 
ChChoda

ChChoda

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medicineman said:
I entirely understand what ACORN does. It is apparent that you do not. They solicit voters for both parties, in case you didn't know it. They are more interested in getting Democratic voters to the polls, yes I recognize that, but they must register anyone they approach, be them democrat or republican or whig or anything they call themselves. Being registered (Especially if one is dead) does not guarantee one will vote. They only register. They do not stuff ballot boxes. Show me some cases where dead people voted in the last election, that's right, you cant. So stop with the lies and bullshit.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=dead+voters&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

G-O-O-G-L-E

G-O-O-G-L-E
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

New Member
medicineman said:
I entirely understand what ACORN does. It is apparent that you do not. They solicit voters for both parties, in case you didn't know it. They are more interested in getting Democratic voters to the polls, yes I recognize that, but they must register anyone they approach, be them democrat or republican or whig or anything they call themselves. Being registered (Especially if one is dead) does not guarantee one will vote. They only register. They do not stuff ballot boxes. Show me some cases where dead people voted in the last election, that's right, you cant. So stop with the lies and bullshit.
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I know your mind is slammed shut, Med ... but try to pry it open long enough to explore this site: http://www.tcunation.com/group/acorncorruptionwatch
 
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