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Oriah

Oriah

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Gardens looking great Nug! So question here, How many heads would you try for, in a 30"x30" space? And in your garden, what kind of yield would you guess to pull in this space?
Id like to try a single cola dom plant such as Ace, but i want it to look like i scrog'd that bitch. Full use of the square, filled with donkeys!
 
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nugbuckets

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Oriah said:
Gardens looking great Nug! So question here, How many heads would you try for, in a 30"x30" space? And in your garden, what kind of yield would you guess to pull in this space?
Id like to try a single cola dom plant such as Ace, but i want it to look like i scrog'd that bitch. Full use of the square, filled with donkeys!
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well, lets see....i have 21oo sq/in....and my best yield to date i had 100 heads jammed in there.....so 1 per 20 square inches.....so i would say roughly....40-45........but honestly, if i were you, i would do a solid 32 headed main-line, and i think you would fucking kill it!....i will document my first true 32 headed vortex modular scrog really well for you, i just pruned for 32 yesterday.....follow along, and you will have a good idea of what you will be looking at
 
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nugbuckets

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Oriah said:
Love it man! Think ace could pull off 32 ok?
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...yes i do....i would just build the structure really fast to limit stretch, get her spawled out flat and let her rip...my vortex is looking pretty tight, but i do think ace is a better candidate, but you will find out first hand going back to back...my scrog computes to 27 x 27, so we are pretty close, considering you have walls to deal with.......;-)
 
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nugbuckets

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DT3 clones....i love this plant...done stretching at 19 days....stretched a total of 6 inches!.....finished at 23 inches!
......16 heads at 37 days....starting to fade a bit early, will just let her go....she is a lighter producer then V.D, but a bit more resin, and a mix of lemon/black cherry, berry.....;-)
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nugbuckets

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Bobotrank said:
Nugs, I'm drinking my first ever cannabis juice! It adds a great spice to the end notes, and really compliments the kale. I'm loving it. :peace:

edit: My pregnant wife is jealous it isn't in her juice, too. I guess since it's not psychoactive it shouldn't affect the baby? I'm not sure I'm chancing this one, regardless.
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aw, bro, i just saw this.....kick ass for you....happy fathers day man.....i wouldn't worry about a thing with her drinking canna juice.....not a thing...would be great for the baby imho....
 
Bobotrank

Bobotrank

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No worries Nugs, and happy father's day to you, too. Yeah, the juice was mental... couldn't believe the difference in taste. My wife actually ended up drinking some, and loved it. I think we'll all have it next time. :) Hope you're having a good one. :peace:
 
Robear

Robear

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Nugs, this site needs more people like you.

thanks for the information but more importantly inspiration. My blackberries , og ,maui x blueberry, and girl scout cookies all thank you . Please keep it up, ill be in here for the long haulbongsmilie
 
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nugbuckets

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....i am amazed at how quickly my TGA strains finish up......i know a fair amount has to do with the use of properly made super soil....all the nutrients are available to the plant at the right time, and there is no "trickle effect" going on with minor lock-outs that you easily get from combining bottled nutes....i would get so frustrated with strains that were known to finish within a given harvest window, only to "span out" with my "base and bottle" method.......a lot of new growers watch their leaves for signs of over-feeding, with burning, cupping, curling, turning really dark green etc. telling them that they are over-feeding.....but that is just one side of the coin......the other imho, is the fade.....and the more runs i do, the more i am finding myself leaning towards the "light" side of feeding, and instead of looking for signs of over feeding, i am concentrating on signs of very slight under-feeding, and trying my best to hit my "40 day first sign" of fade......there is a huge misconception within the growing community, with the mind-set that we have to feed heavy to yield heavy!.....newbie mistake.......the more i grow, the more i am convinced that less is best.....it is much more about having the proper amount of food available at just the right times.......and if the plant is over-fed, it will actually lock out and become stunted, and hinder yield, not to mention terpene expression and smokability.....here is an example that most of us have encountered.....we approach time to flush with pistils turning red, but the plant is still really green overall, so we figure a flush will do it right......but after a week of water only, we notice that it won't fade like expected, and there is an explosion of new pistil formation, like the plant is getting a second wind......what is happening, is the flush is starting to un-lock residual nutrients within the medium, and the plant is sucking them up, and entering a growth spurt at the worst time...hence the "trickle effect"......if you watched the last few episodes of the Weed Nerd, and payed close attention to the beautiful Tiny and Vortex buds Sub pulled in, you will notice a few important things.....first they both had a perfect fade, expressing colors other than green not always seen in Tiny or Vortex......i remember Sub saying something like..."it has color, because it was fucking grown right!"....exactly....perfect fade.......remember that in many "non-colorful" strains, the color lies beneath the "green", and it's expression impossible without a proper fade!.........and also, it looked "done"......maximized potential!..........again, another fine line within the Law of Diminishing Returns.....imho, if you want to grow the finest meds, maximize your yield, and achieve full potential.....keep it light!......nugs
 
snowboarder396

snowboarder396

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nugbuckets said:
....i am amazed at how quickly my TGA strains finish up......i know a fair amount has to do with the use of properly made super soil....all the nutrients are available to the plant at the right time, and there is no "trickle effect" going on with minor lock-outs that you easily get from combining bottled nutes....i would get so frustrated with strains that were known to finish within a given harvest window, only to "span out" with my "base and bottle" method.......a lot of new growers watch their leaves for signs of over-feeding, with burning, cupping, curling, turning really dark green etc. telling them that they are over-feeding.....but that is just one side of the coin......the other imho, is the fade.....and the more runs i do, the more i am finding myself leaning towards the "light" side of feeding, and instead of looking for signs of over feeding, i am concentrating on signs of very slight under-feeding, and trying my best to hit my "40 day first sign" of fade......there is a huge misconception within the growing community, with the mind-set that we have to feed heavy to yield heavy!.....newbie mistake.......the more i grow, the more i am convinced that less is best.....it is much more about having the proper amount of food available at just the right times.......and if the plant is over-fed, it will actually lock out and become stunted, and hinder yield, not to mention terpene expression and smokability.....here is an example that most of us have encountered.....we approach time to flush with pistils turning red, but the plant is still really green overall, so we figure a flush will do it right......but after a week of water only, we notice that it won't fade like expected, and there is an explosion of new pistil formation, like the plant is getting a second wind......what is happening, is the flush is starting to un-lock residual nutrients within the medium, and the plant is sucking them up, and entering a growth spurt at the worst time...hence the "trickle effect"......if you watched the last few episodes of the Weed Nerd, and payed close attention to the beautiful Tiny and Vortex buds Sub pulled in, you will notice a few important things.....first they both had a perfect fade, expressing colors other than green not always seen in Tiny or Vortex......i remember Sub saying something like..."it has color, because it was fucking grown right!"....exactly....perfect fade.......remember that in many "non-colorful" strains, the color lies beneath the "green", and it's expression impossible without a proper fade!.........and also, it looked "done"......maximized potential!..........again, another fine line within the Law of Diminishing Returns.....imho, if you want to grow the finest meds, maximize your yield, and achieve full potential.....keep it light!......nugs
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Very good advice Nugs, Alot of people make that mistake and if you ask me its better under feed a little then over feed for the fact that you can always add a little more to give plant what it needs. And for those that stopped bottled nutes went all organic and used SS.. I doubt they'd ever go back to the overpriced " hyped" bottle nutes again. I absolutely love organic and just using SS you can see how much happier the plants are. Keep the good work up I can't wait to see what else you do.

BTW, Has anyone done Third Dimension I really havent seen any threads for it. I think thatd be good one to try and one thats on my list
 
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nugbuckets

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jammin'


my little outdo...set and ready to go, all will go into 20 gal. smarts in about three weeks, pruned for 16 with 24 inch canopy rings.....wappa, qrazytrain, flav, vortex, headband, soultrain, ace #1, (2)d-train, (5)ace(V.D.).......fucking yummy...all my best strains over four years....don't look like much now, but i guarantee you won't want to miss the glamour shots of these come october!


......back up cheesequakes, recovering from the inferno.;-)
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nugbuckets

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snowboarder396 said:
Very good advice Nugs, Alot of people make that mistake and if you ask me its better under feed a little then over feed for the fact that you can always add a little more to give plant what it needs. And for those that stopped bottled nutes went all organic and used SS.. I doubt they'd ever go back to the overpriced " hyped" bottle nutes again. I absolutely love organic and just using SS you can see how much happier the plants are. Keep the good work up I can't wait to see what else you do.

BTW, Has anyone done Third Dimension I really havent seen any threads for it. I think thatd be good one to try and one thats on my list
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i agree brother....i will take slightly underfed over slightly overfed everytime.........3D was just gifted to me, and i plan to do her right real soon.
 
jd123

jd123

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snowboarder396 said:
Very good advice Nugs, Alot of people make that mistake and if you ask me its better under feed a little then over feed for the fact that you can always add a little more to give plant what it needs. And for those that stopped bottled nutes went all organic and used SS.. I doubt they'd ever go back to the overpriced " hyped" bottle nutes again. I absolutely love organic and just using SS you can see how much happier the plants are. Keep the good work up I can't wait to see what else you do.

BTW, Has anyone done Third Dimension I really havent seen any threads for it. I think thatd be good one to try and one thats on my list
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i grew one pheno of 3d a while back. it was a 9week finisher, some of the best smelling stuff ive ever had, like tropical fruit punch, with a nice mellow sativa high, but the buds were a little airy, and it didnt clone easy. still have 7 seeds tho and i plan on popping some more of them after i run the ripped bubba and have some more room in my garden. id love to get my hands on the quick finishing more apollo dominant pheno.
 
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Wilksey

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Hey Nugs I was wondering if you could elaborate a little on this post from the other thread:

i force early sex at 20 days after sprout, then pinch out the main......so no......i am finding that this whole process adds very little time to veg.........also, i have never hit 30 inches in any of my indo grows as space is limited for me too.....i usually hit around 24 in......
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What I envision is that at sprout + 20 days, you throw the plants into 12-12 until they show sex (maybe two weeks?), and once you confirm the ladies, you then top them, start the LST process, and put them back into a veg light cycle.

Is that correct?

Thanks in advance!
 
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nugbuckets

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Wilksey said:
Hey Nugs I was wondering if you could elaborate a little on this post from the other thread:



What I envision is that at sprout + 20 days, you throw the plants into 12-12 until they show sex (maybe two weeks?), and once you confirm the ladies, you then top them, start the LST process, and put them back into a veg light cycle.

Is that correct?

Thanks in advance!
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yep....just ike that, except i won't go over 7 days....if it doesn't show male by then its almost always a girl.
 
murp

murp

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nugbuckets said:
....i am amazed at how quickly my TGA strains finish up......i know a fair amount has to do with the use of properly made super soil....all the nutrients are available to the plant at the right time, and there is no "trickle effect" going on with minor lock-outs that you easily get from combining bottled nutes....i would get so frustrated with strains that were known to finish within a given harvest window, only to "span out" with my "base and bottle" method.......a lot of new growers watch their leaves for signs of over-feeding, with burning, cupping, curling, turning really dark green etc. telling them that they are over-feeding.....but that is just one side of the coin......the other imho, is the fade.....and the more runs i do, the more i am finding myself leaning towards the "light" side of feeding, and instead of looking for signs of over feeding, i am concentrating on signs of very slight under-feeding, and trying my best to hit my "40 day first sign" of fade......there is a huge misconception within the growing community, with the mind-set that we have to feed heavy to yield heavy!.....newbie mistake.......the more i grow, the more i am convinced that less is best.....it is much more about having the proper amount of food available at just the right times.......and if the plant is over-fed, it will actually lock out and become stunted, and hinder yield, not to mention terpene expression and smokability.....here is an example that most of us have encountered.....we approach time to flush with pistils turning red, but the plant is still really green overall, so we figure a flush will do it right......but after a week of water only, we notice that it won't fade like expected, and there is an explosion of new pistil formation, like the plant is getting a second wind......what is happening, is the flush is starting to un-lock residual nutrients within the medium, and the plant is sucking them up, and entering a growth spurt at the worst time...hence the "trickle effect"......if you watched the last few episodes of the Weed Nerd, and payed close attention to the beautiful Tiny and Vortex buds Sub pulled in, you will notice a few important things.....first they both had a perfect fade, expressing colors other than green not always seen in Tiny or Vortex......i remember Sub saying something like..."it has color, because it was fucking grown right!"....exactly....perfect fade.......remember that in many "non-colorful" strains, the color lies beneath the "green", and it's expression impossible without a proper fade!.........and also, it looked "done"......maximized potential!..........again, another fine line within the Law of Diminishing Returns.....imho, if you want to grow the finest meds, maximize your yield, and achieve full potential.....keep it light!......nugs
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well said, Nugs, and I am totally with you on all that. Less is more once you start with a good supersoil, good genetics and good water. Really that plus light & air is ALL you need. Sadly though it seems whenever there's a market involved, the market can't stand for that "less is more" reality. Got to move more units, always. For me this style of growing is a way of learning how enough is enough. Which has got to be one of the three or four best things to learn in life.
 
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