NooB Advice

riddleme

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Riddle,

A few pages back you stated that cutting back the fan leaves is a bad idea. I thought that was only the lower leaves though, not the upper set? The fan leaves on my girls are spreading out so much and getting so big that they are starting to shade parts of the plant too well, and I've been considering pruning them back. What would you suggest as an alternative?
I like LST to move things around to benefit lower parts of the plant, and you can tuck fan leaves out of the way so to speak, also remember that spectrums of the light pass thru the leaves even though you can't see it, one of the reasons mixed spectrum is important.

What light are you using???
 

EdGreyfox

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Riddle,

At the moment I have a single 400 w HID that will run both MH and HPS bulbs (I have one of each). I've been thinking about adding supplementary lights, but can't decide what I want to get. I've already figured out that I'm going to have to get a second 400w HID or it's equivalent before I start flowering because the single one I have now is just barely doing the job covering the footprint for the 6 plants I have going . They might be great for doing 8-10 short plants in small pots, but I'm planning to grow my girls to around 6 ft.

Other then a second HID light (assuming I can afford it anytime soon) I would like to get some side lighting, but I just cant decide what will be the best bang for my buck. HTG supply claims they have solved the problems with the LED light panels and UFO's, but I haven't heard from anyone thats actually used them to find out if their claims are true. My other option are some variety of flourescent, but once again it's hard to decide whether I'd be better of getting a bank of T5's or if I should just get a half dozen CFL's (and lamps to put them in).
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Riddle,

At the moment I have a single 400 w HID that will run both MH and HPS bulbs (I have one of each). I've been thinking about adding supplementary lights, but can't decide what I want to get. I've already figured out that I'm going to have to get a second 400w HID or it's equivalent before I start flowering because the single one I have now is just barely doing the job covering the footprint for the 6 plants I have going . They might be great for doing 8-10 short plants in small pots, but I'm planning to grow my girls to around 6 ft.

Other then a second HID light (assuming I can afford it anytime soon) I would like to get some side lighting, but I just cant decide what will be the best bang for my buck. HTG supply claims they have solved the problems with the LED light panels and UFO's, but I haven't heard from anyone thats actually used them to find out if their claims are true. My other option are some variety of flourescent, but once again it's hard to decide whether I'd be better of getting a bank of T5's or if I should just get a half dozen CFL's (and lamps to put them in).
Wow 6 X 6 foot plants, ok if it was me of course I would have 2 400 watt CMH's to start with but if you read all of this thread you know that :bigjoint:

Now I'm gonna give ya my links to the very best T8's you can get (spectrum wise)

This was where I first found them, and let me explain that they charge a lot for this light but thier secret is the frequency of the digital ballast, they run it very hot, this link is merely for the info on the spectrums
http://www.truesun.com/proddetail.php?prod=Lumichrome_1XX_full_spectrum_light

and here is a link where you can get the whole lumichrome line up for a decent price, and as long as you put em in a fixture with a digital ballast you'll be ok, these would be my suggested lights for very decent side lighting, that can be put very close to the plants, kinda like my T9 and are full spectrum :bigjoint:
http://www.budgetlighting.com/lumichrome_full_spectrum_lamps.html

Can't wait to see those 6 foot beauties :weed:
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
Riddle,

When I bought the light I didn't know I was going to be growing 6, it just sort of worked out that way. I asked my caregiver about clones, and the next thing I knew he was bringing my half a dozen. He's telling me to expect them to hit about 6ft or so before harvest, though he's growing with 1000w lights and may be overestimating what my 400w will do. Either way, I'm going to have to add another primary light as soon as I can afford it (my trucks in the shop spending the money I was planning to use for a couple of new lights as we speak). I've actually been considering buying a pair of 600w and setting up my other spare bedroom as the flowering room and using my 400w strictly as a veg light if the IRS is kind to me on my tax return this year.

You weren't kidding about the cost of the bulbs! Not sure what a fixture and a digital ballast will run me, but those are going to set me back a bit if I need to fill a couple of 5+ bulb ballasts with them.
 

GrowingfortheGold

New Member
Hey I'm interested in some thoughts...

I got some POGK in some 5 gall ebb and flow buckets. PH is 5.7 EC is 1.4 in Coco. Temp 76 RH 45 600 watt aircooled MH 2 feet above. 4 week old. Plants on the left are the ones and the right plant is the healthy one. They got purple stems on the tops...I even have one fan leaf that has purple tip and a bit of speckled purple banding. No growth either...I had the EC much lower and so I bumped it way up to current 1.4 and they haven't done much over the past few days...In person it looks a lot worse basically the leaves are like patchy. Like you'll have some dark green here some light green here some yellow here. For a lot of them there is no particular pattern to this on the leaves...

What do you think?
 

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johnathandoe

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yeah i added h2o (well "feed2o") and they have responded nicely within a couple hours, guess i will have to pay more attention to my moistnes THANKS YALL
 

doogleef

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1.4 is still pretty low for really established and fast growing plants. If they are still showing some signs of N deff (like red/purple stems on new growth) keep bumping it up. Coco has to be fed just like any other hydro medium and a 2.0EC is very common in veg, especially under HID lighting. :bigjoint:
 

riddleme

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Want to thank Doogleef for helpin out as I do not have any experience with hydro

We have several experienced growers watching this thread and I truely appreciate thier help as I know all of you do as well!
 

GrowingfortheGold

New Member
1.4 is still pretty low for really established and fast growing plants. If they are still showing some signs of N deff (like red/purple stems on new growth) keep bumping it up. Coco has to be fed just like any other hydro medium and a 2.0EC is very common in veg, especially under HID lighting. :bigjoint:
Thanks for your time man. Yea I was planning on raising it to about 1.8 soon. Just I raised the EC quite a bit and there was no change at all in the plants...almost looked worse. So that was why I was confused. Turned out to be that I didn't raise my controller bucket high enough. I lower it every week to drain all of the solution in my bottom buckets. The controller bucket is 3 gal and I've rigged it up to 5 gal buckets. Tanks though man. They've greened back up but a lil ways more to go. Prolly gonna have to hit them with some Cal-Mag cause of the low cat ion exchange in coco.
 

johnathandoe

Active Member
checked on the hopefully ladies this AM and they are almost back to normal,, haha man it seems like I am always running trying to keep up with them.... hence the reason i plucked all but 2 haha THANKS
 

MrBlanco

Active Member
Hey riddle,

Just read the update and that is somewhat a bummer.:sad: I say somewhat because without this info we would not have know what we could expect from the use of these pots. This was one of the items on my Want's/Needs list for my next attempt.

I used the peat pots for my first attempt and planted them right in the soil. Well we know that it did not go to well.:lol: I never really payed attention to the first one's I got rid of, but it was the last one that made me say hmmmmm. I started poking around in the dirt and was able to pull the whole pot out of the soil same as you and not one root poking through the walls of the peat pot. I tore open the p/p and there was quite a bit of root development and some small one attached to the side of it, but the thicker roots were turning back in towards the center.

I just may have been my inexperience but as I was reading Mel's book last night, he talks about this in the germination section. He talks about removing the plant from the P/P and doing damage to the roots. I assume he has had problems with transplanting the whole thing into the dirt,but thats just my opinion.(Love the book! I would recommend it to anyone as a first read.)

Anyway, good thing you caught it in time. Hopefully not do to much damage.
I was just reading through some of this topic.

I put my first seedling grow into peat pots and then into 18oz. party cups. I have two plants around 10 weeks old and near the end of the third week of flower. I knock the pots off regularly to check the roots and I have solid systems that fill the cups. When I did the transplant into the party cups I watered them in with Thrive Alive B1 green label. It was only a few days before I saw the first roots hitting the walls. I'm a total newbie, too. :)
 

powers420

Member
hey can i clone my plant im 3 weeks in to flowering and can i us mg bloom booster 15-30-15 or wat do u think i should use i got wal-mart and home depot to choose from for my grow shit
 

riddleme

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hey can i clone my plant im 3 weeks in to flowering and can i us mg bloom booster 15-30-15 or wat do u think i should use i got wal-mart and home depot to choose from for my grow shit
You can take a clone in flowering up to week 3 but it will take longer to root expect 20 + days as it stresses the plant to go back to veg mode

and that MG will work start real light with your first feedings
 

jumboSWISHER

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hey man =) im just making sure, when flowering the pistils turn orange/red when its about to swell and start new sets of pistils and this happens a few times? im really not sure if im right haha but im wondering cuz im seeing more and more orange hairs on my buds probly 10-20% of em now, and its only in the 4 th week 12/12. this is normal right?
 

riddleme

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hey man =) im just making sure, when flowering the pistils turn orange/red when its about to swell and start new sets of pistils and this happens a few times? im really not sure if im right haha but im wondering cuz im seeing more and more orange hairs on my buds probly 10-20% of em now, and its only in the 4 th week 12/12. this is normal right?
Totally normal as older hairs fade new ones take thier place this is how the buds get fatter because they keep trying to polinate and actually it is a good thing :bigjoint:
 

DTR

Active Member
will they keep doing that up till harvest or does it stop at some point could you use that as a indicator of time remaining?
also my girls are about to flip on in a hour for the start of week 7 in flower i had 2 spots of powdery mildew on monday after the rainstorm in cali had stopped my humidity is back down to low 40s or below and theres still sulphur dust on the old leafs from 7 weeks ago if it pops back up im going to have to spray with greencure but if no more signs pop up i was just gonna try to ride it out was also reading about wiping it off with a 50/50 mix of lemon juice/water which a lemon sponge bath on my girls sounds good but i dont know how any of this will react to the sulphur thats already on the leafs im so close to the end i dont want to do anything that may effect it poorly
is potassium bicarbonate-based fungicide better to smoke then a few spores if any?
would it or lemon juice react with the sulphur thats been on there 7 weeks in a bad way?
iv been smoking for 15+ years im sure iv smoked a ton of all of this seems like lemon sponge bath would be the best but im totally lost and afraid im gonna end up waiting till its to late and a explosion of mildew will be everywhere like when the lights kick on in a hr lol but from all the researching im even more lost on what to do iv got plenty of airflow with fresh air and good venting decent humidity and nothings soggy im trying to keep with the less is more but i dont want to stand there with my head up my ass while my girls get full blown aids its only had 2 outbreaks once before i flipped them there was a few leafs i had to remove then just the 2 spots on monday which were removed
 

riddleme

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will they keep doing that up till harvest or does it stop at some point could you use that as a indicator of time remaining?
also my girls are about to flip on in a hour for the start of week 7 in flower i had 2 spots of powdery mildew on monday after the rainstorm in cali had stopped my humidity is back down to low 40s or below and theres still sulphur dust on the old leafs from 7 weeks ago if it pops back up im going to have to spray with greencure but if no more signs pop up i was just gonna try to ride it out was also reading about wiping it off with a 50/50 mix of lemon juice/water which a lemon sponge bath on my girls sounds good but i dont know how any of this will react to the sulphur thats already on the leafs im so close to the end i dont want to do anything that may effect it poorly
is potassium bicarbonate-based fungicide better to smoke then a few spores if any?
would it or lemon juice react with the sulphur thats been on there 7 weeks in a bad way?
iv been smoking for 15+ years im sure iv smoked a ton of all of this seems like lemon sponge bath would be the best but im totally lost and afraid im gonna end up waiting till its to late and a explosion of mildew will be everywhere like when the lights kick on in a hr lol but from all the researching im even more lost on what to do iv got plenty of airflow with fresh air and good venting decent humidity and nothings soggy im trying to keep with the less is more but i dont want to stand there with my head up my ass while my girls get full blown aids its only had 2 outbreaks once before i flipped them there was a few leafs i had to remove then just the 2 spots on monday which were removed
Yes they will keep doing that, it is the reason they are alive to propigate!

As for your PM problem, they say not to smoke PM infected buds, I don't know if I have or not in my 40 years of smoking but would guess that I have???

I have never had to battle with PM but from my book Marijuana Garden Saver Lemon juice is not listed as cure or control, here is what is listed,,,,

ok there are beneficial bacteria & fungus listed but not gonna type those out :bigjoint:

the common products listed are, milk, neem oil, potassium bicarbonate, sesame and fish oils, sodium bicarbonate, vinegar, cinamon oil and tea, clove oil, copper, coriander oil, garlic, H202, limonene, ph up, sulfer

I would be trying to figure out a way to get rid of the sulfer dust??? and have no clue how to safely do that perhaps another member will chime in with some experience?
 

GrowingfortheGold

New Member
You'll be fine man calm down haha. You know that wiping the spores with a wet napkin or something will neutralize the mold spores. The water suffocates the spores so they can't ride the air currents onto close leaves or plants.

You can also wipe off sulfur dust...
 

EdGreyfox

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Riddle,

Not sure if I have a problem developing here or not. Was just up looking at my girls and the stems are turning sort of a purple color on all of them. The upper stems that run out to the fan leaves are almost all purple, while the stalks are showing streaks of purple up the edges. Have I got a deficiency developing? I don't have pics to show you currently, but I'll see if i can get some by tomorrow evening.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Riddle,

Not sure if I have a problem developing here or not. Was just up looking at my girls and the stems are turning sort of a purple color on all of them. The upper stems that run out to the fan leaves are almost all purple, while the stalks are showing streaks of purple up the edges. Have I got a deficiency developing? I don't have pics to show you currently, but I'll see if i can get some by tomorrow evening.
Purple can be a strain thing, a pheno thing or a response to lower temps, I would be more concerned if they were red but you should keep an eye on them watching for what is happening with new growth, as def's show up there more first

and once you post pics I'm happy to look :bigjoint:
 
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