NooB Advice

DTR

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thanks again riddleme and GrowingfortheGold i am a looper lol
they are gonna wake up soon and i will inspect them well
wiping them down seems good to me as long as theres no new spots i might just try and ride it out then when its time to harvest just cut off the leafs with sulphur and toss
 

EdGreyfox

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Let me rephrase that slighty: purple and fuzzy(the fuzz is white). I have been leaving a window cracked the last 3-4 days and the temp has been about 5 degrees cooler on average because of that. The humidity has been about a bit lower too. I checked with the person I got them from, but he was only somewhat helpful- According to him his plants do the same thing sometimes, but he couldn't tell me exactly why. He basically told me I was going to just need to read up on it and adjust my nutes, but the only real suggestion he made was that it might be a Nitrogen deficiency (which doesn't make much sense to me given the symptoms).
 

DTR

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no new signs and rh was 38% overnight :D gonna keep looking but i think im good long as i can keep my rh down
thanks again guys
 

riddleme

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Let me rephrase that slighty: purple and fuzzy(the fuzz is white). I have been leaving a window cracked the last 3-4 days and the temp has been about 5 degrees cooler on average because of that. The humidity has been about a bit lower too. I checked with the person I got them from, but he was only somewhat helpful- According to him his plants do the same thing sometimes, but he couldn't tell me exactly why. He basically told me I was going to just need to read up on it and adjust my nutes, but the only real suggestion he made was that it might be a Nitrogen deficiency (which doesn't make much sense to me given the symptoms).
is the fuzzy white like little hairs or more like mold??? little hairs I would not worry about

and if in fact it is a N def it will show as lighter green to yellowing new growth, bottom leaves will start to yellow as the plant pulls N from them to compensate

when you say 5 degrees lower, lower than what??? usually ya gotta get in the low 60's to cause purple from temps
 

MrBlanco

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Welcome and feel free to read the whole thread as there is a lot of god stuff in it :bigjoint:

here to help if ya need it
I'm reading as I have time. :)

Since you offered...

You can take a clone in flowering up to week 3 but it will take longer to root expect 20 + days as it stresses the plant to go back to veg mode

and that MG will work start real light with your first feedings
The beginning or end of week three? One of my flowering plants is a random schwag bag seed that's developing purple pistils and leaves and the 29th is the first day of week four. Maybe I can reveg it into a mother? I've heard that reduces potency, though. I'd love to keep the strain since people are so purple crazy.
 

riddleme

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I'm reading as I have time. :)

Since you offered...



The beginning or end of week three? One of my flowering plants is a random schwag bag seed that's developing purple pistils and leaves and the 29th is the first day of week four. Maybe I can reveg it into a mother? I've heard that reduces potency, though. I'd love to keep the strain since people are so purple crazy.
You can re-veg it after harvest without a loss of potency, it is when you re-veg several times that they start to flake out a bit you can tell by the stems getting more "woody"
but remember to keep it healthy and green if you want to reveg it and leave the leaves on it when you harvest :bigjoint:
 

EdGreyfox

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Riddle,

They are like hair: peach fuzz type. I suppose it could be an N deficiency, since some of the plants do show some light green in various places (the new shoots have always been lighter). As for the temperature, it's been between 70-82 when the lights are on and drops to about 64 with them off ( At least that's what i have the houses temp set at from 11pm-5am). I DID leave the window cracked open last night since it froze shut on me the night before, so it might have been a little cooler in there last night, but not by much.

I just thought of something that might account for a nute issue- When you give them a shower does that tend to wash a fair amount of the nutes in the soil out with it (sort of like a mini flushing)? I've been working on the assumption that the FF soil nutes would suffice for at least three weeks, which is why i have only just started giving them half strength nutes (3 days ago with last watering). BUT, I gave them a shower last week, which might mean that I washed away enough nutes that I really need to start in on a full strength nutes regimen now. They will have been potted for 3 weeks on Friday, btw.
 

riddleme

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Riddle,

They are like hair: peach fuzz type. I suppose it could be an N deficiency, since some of the plants do show some light green in various places (the new shoots have always been lighter). As for the temperature, it's been between 70-82 when the lights are on and drops to about 64 with them off ( At least that's what i have the houses temp set at from 11pm-5am). I DID leave the window cracked open last night since it froze shut on me the night before, so it might have been a little cooler in there last night, but not by much.

I just thought of something that might account for a nute issue- When you give them a shower does that tend to wash a fair amount of the nutes in the soil out with it (sort of like a mini flushing)? I've been working on the assumption that the FF soil nutes would suffice for at least three weeks, which is why i have only just started giving them half strength nutes (3 days ago with last watering). BUT, I gave them a shower last week, which might mean that I washed away enough nutes that I really need to start in on a full strength nutes regimen now. They will have been potted for 3 weeks on Friday, btw.
Yes it washes the nutes out of the soil, it's why I totally reccommend switching to a potting mix rather than a soil for flowering I believe it's on page 36 of this thread, I also explain how to start feeding nutes when doing this and full strength would be a bad idea

Also the low 60's you mention could totally affect things as most plant growth is stunted at those lower temps same as it is with higher temps, that by itself could have easily caused your purple to show
 
has anyone ordered fem seeds from cannabisseeds.com i ordered some white widow and supersilver haze both feminized and was wondering if they were a good source
 

EdGreyfox

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Riddle,

Had to go back and reread page 36 (and another 5-6 pages besides) to remember which post you meant. I'm still in the learning to read my plants stage, because things keep being contradictory (like the soil being dry but the plants showing no sign they are thirsty). I'm also trying to learn when they want nutes since they hadn't been given any until a four days ago. I know my lack of experience is probably making me worry more then I should, but I don't want to kill any of them by not being worried enough either. Try to bear with me- I do learn quickly, but the information from you and UB is scattered over so many pages that I can't always find what it when I want to. :)

My logic on the nutes went sort of like this. Nine days ago I gave the girls a shower, and they reponded about the way you said to expect and put on a big growth spurt. But, they are still relatively small to wick it up fast and the soil 2+ inches down still felt a bit moist 4 days later (though the top 2 inches were bone dry). I waited an extra day (4 days ago) and gave them a decent drink with 1/2 strength nutes at that time. Now, since the half strength nutes didn't burn them and it looks like the plants are developing a deficiency it seemed logical to me that the my girls needed more then 1/2 strength, which is why i was talking about full strength last night.

Frankly, I'm still not sure I understand exactly how you're timing your feedings and rain showers. It seems like you are making it rain, letting things dry out a bit, then feeding, waiting for it to dry out a bit, making it rain, etc, and you're doing a step every couple of days. I understand your plant is bigger then mine and drinks more/wicks faster, but how can you be sure you don't have more moisture down deep then you think you do? So far the only time my plants have started to show any signs of being thirsty was when I let them go 5 days without a drink (that was the day I made it rain), so I still haven't gotten an exact feel for how long their cycle will be. I was thinking about making it rain today, but with them showing nute problems I figured it was better to give them a few cups of water with nutes before I made it rain again. Btw, my girls are still vegging (day 19 since they were transplanted). I know you said doing this to plants that were vegging would create trees, but since thats my goal anyway it made sense to go ahead and get started.
 

riddleme

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Riddle,

Had to go back and reread page 36 (and another 5-6 pages besides) to remember which post you meant. I'm still in the learning to read my plants stage, because things keep being contradictory (like the soil being dry but the plants showing no sign they are thirsty). I'm also trying to learn when they want nutes since they hadn't been given any until a four days ago. I know my lack of experience is probably making me worry more then I should, but I don't want to kill any of them by not being worried enough either. Try to bear with me- I do learn quickly, but the information from you and UB is scattered over so many pages that I can't always find what it when I want to. :)

My logic on the nutes went sort of like this. Nine days ago I gave the girls a shower, and they reponded about the way you said to expect and put on a big growth spurt. But, they are still relatively small to wick it up fast and the soil 2+ inches down still felt a bit moist 4 days later (though the top 2 inches were bone dry). I waited an extra day (4 days ago) and gave them a decent drink with 1/2 strength nutes at that time. Now, since the half strength nutes didn't burn them and it looks like the plants are developing a deficiency it seemed logical to me that the my girls needed more then 1/2 strength, which is why i was talking about full strength last night.

Frankly, I'm still not sure I understand exactly how you're timing your feedings and rain showers. It seems like you are making it rain, letting things dry out a bit, then feeding, waiting for it to dry out a bit, making it rain, etc, and you're doing a step every couple of days. I understand your plant is bigger then mine and drinks more/wicks faster, but how can you be sure you don't have more moisture down deep then you think you do? So far the only time my plants have started to show any signs of being thirsty was when I let them go 5 days without a drink (that was the day I made it rain), so I still haven't gotten an exact feel for how long their cycle will be. I was thinking about making it rain today, but with them showing nute problems I figured it was better to give them a few cups of water with nutes before I made it rain again. Btw, my girls are still vegging (day 19 since they were transplanted). I know you said doing this to plants that were vegging would create trees, but since thats my goal anyway it made sense to go ahead and get started.

Let me see if I can share a bit more of how I have learned to read plants

but first as to the watering, you don't want your soil/medium to go completely dry. This was one reason I suggested using a scale to actually see what was happening. once you use a scale several times you learn just by picking up the pot and feeling the wieght, some say just feel the wieght of the pot but without first using the scale and doing the math as to exactly what percentage of water is there you are taking a chance on letting it go to dry

One of the things I can share is that when I was in veg it generally took 5 to 7 days between waterings, a big part of this is the humidity we are told that some where between 40 and 60% is good for veggin with most shooting for somewhere near 50% this slows transpiration quite a bit which causes the longer intervals between waterings. I have yet to try experimenting with lowering the humidity during veg to try and increase transpiration rates as I don't currently have room to have trees happen :bigjoint:

I described that when it rains the plants droop and most all of you have seen this, what I did not describe was what relaxed looks like and how to tweak it. Perhaps it might be a good idea to have everyone lurk in the problems forum and just look at some of the pics of plants in trouble. There are extreme cases that show the little serated edges of the leaves pointing up, the leaves themselves are erect (opposite of drooping) like standing up or reaching for the light. This is what it looks like when the plant is transpiring hard and is a lot of stress (opposite of relaxed). When they are happy and relaxed they simply kinda hang out in the middle between droopy and erect. I have seen pics where the top 1/3 of the plant is erect and the bottom is relaxed (they are kinda funny pics) and all the grower would need to do is raise the light an inch or two till the top relaxed as well (could be heat from the light or too much light or combo of both) When there is enough light they will turn towards it and bask in it, I showed pics in my journal where the leaf curled to face the T9 and it was right on it touching it, just happy as hell :weed:

Your goal as a grower is to create that perfect garden enviroment where your plant is always happy and relaxed with no stress (or as little as possible) your tweaks should not be drastic,,,,,,,as this will affect all other elements. If you add light (hey everyone says more is better) lets say you have 6 cfl's and decide I'm gonna finally get that HPS oh yeah I want bigger buds, so you add it and things change drastically, leaves start to stand up go erect reach for the light, the inexperience grower will say now that's what I'm talkin about look how much more she is likin this new light,,,,,,,,,,WRONG, she is stressing and by the way this is what most growers do, they ram as much light down the plants throat as it can stand without burning and think they are good, they only pay attention to the basis of temp & humidity with out considering the effect. They are more concerned with smell and temp control when it comes to ventalation than with giving the plant fresh air. I leave a window open in the winter and adjust my heat to compensate (for my comfort as well as the plants, set to 78, while temps in grow area are 72) I understand how simple convection works so I know that cold fresh air comes in that window and heads straight toward the floor, so my fan is at floor level and aimed at my light (not my plant) the cooler fresh air circulates in my grow area giving the plant fresh air (CO2) and cooling the light so it can be closer (as needed). Hell there are so many folks that worry about how much a freakin light will add to thier electric bill I can just see em thinking there is no way I'm heating the outdoors, but I don't give it a second thought, I know what the plant wants!

Once you have the light set right where plant is relaxed you can tweak temp & humidity (using the heat index as a guide) increase the temp by a degree and watch, add another as long as the plant stays relaxed your good, record these numbers for future reference. same with humidity 1 point at a time till you see ANY sign of stress. Your goal should be to achieve fast transpiration while plant remains relaxed (leaves just hangin out, basking in the light, happy) The more you can make it rain and feed the bigger your plant will grow, the bigger your buds will be, this is what you are after and is what a perfect garden will do!
 

W Dragon

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alright mate subscribed now just figured it out i was hoping for a bit of solid advice if you could, i was speaking to a friend earlier on today that not only follows the heard but is probably one of the leaders he asked so i told him i was feeding my 5 ladies on mg npk ratio is 6-1.7-5 and he thinks i,m mad and that my really healthy plants wont produce as much flowering due to the ratios in your personal opinion do you think this is true or is it just heard mentality again? i have no basis for comparison due to this being my first grow but like i said so far there 13days in to the flower cycle all female there now about 3ft tall and just coming up 6 weeks old so far they look better than i ever imagined they would, thanks for any advice in advance it is greatly appreciated
 

riddleme

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alright mate subscribed now just figured it out i was hoping for a bit of solid advice if you could, i was speaking to a friend earlier on today that not only follows the heard but is probably one of the leaders he asked so i told him i was feeding my 5 ladies on mg npk ratio is 6-1.7-5 and he thinks i,m mad and that my really healthy plants wont produce as much flowering due to the ratios in your personal opinion do you think this is true or is it just heard mentality again? i have no basis for comparison due to this being my first grow but like i said so far there 13days in to the flower cycle all female there now about 3ft tall and just coming up 6 weeks old so far they look better than i ever imagined they would, thanks for any advice in advance it is greatly appreciated
Glad to hear your girl is doing well, it is not herd mentality to feed the plant what it needs and in flowering mode she will want more P a 1-3-2 ratio is considered best. Now you can continue as you are until a P def shows up and there is a chance your soil has some???

But I would advise that you get a bloom nute (not one of the fancy named ones) and you can stay with MG a lot of folks have good luck with it. I have never used it simply because so many people have told me it affects the taste of the buds, but I have no personal experience with that, so can not actually say it's true?

I like Jack's Classic ($5) and DynaGro ($12) nutes low priced, high quality, years of proven track records. But anything with a better P ratio would help your buds be all they can be :bigjoint:
 

W Dragon

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Glad to hear your girl is doing well, it is not herd mentality to feed the plant what it needs and in flowering mode she will want more P a 1-3-2 ratio is considered best. Now you can continue as you are until a P def shows up and there is a chance your soil has some???

But I would advise that you get a bloom nute (not one of the fancy named ones) and you can stay with MG a lot of folks have good luck with it. I have never used it simply because so many people have told me it affects the taste of the buds, but I have no personal experience with that, so can not actually say it's true?

I like Jack's Classic ($5) and DynaGro ($12) nutes low priced, high quality, years of proven track records. But anything with a better P ratio would help your buds be all they can be :bigjoint:
thankyou mate i will have a look to see if i can get those here in the uk i only called it heard mentallity because he advises all the populare ideas totally disregarding plant health and after seeing his plants and ridiculous amount of different nutes which he has to mix several at a time and his poor plants still look like there dying a slow and painfull death i felt i needed a solid answer from a solid grower thanks again mate and rep on the way as soon as it lets me much appreciated mate
 

EdGreyfox

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Heya Riddle,

Thought I'd add the latest pics of my girls for your comment, even if the angles they were taken from stink. Person taking them was trying to show the purple stems (which they did), but didn't get any distance shots to give you an idea how tall they are now.

I broke down and bought a 600w hps w/digital ballast today. I realized the difference in price between in and another 400W was only $15 and that it should be able to handle my 6 girls without needing anything more then a couple cheap cfls for side lighting, so once it arrives the 400w will be strictly a veg light. I'm still planning on getting a bank of those T8's you mentioned to use as cloning/supplementary vegging lights, but since I have to buy a case of bulbs at a time it's going to be a couple months.
 

riddleme

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Heya Riddle,

Thought I'd add the latest pics of my girls for your comment, even if the angles they were taken from stink. Person taking them was trying to show the purple stems (which they did), but didn't get any distance shots to give you an idea how tall they are now.

I broke down and bought a 600w hps w/digital ballast today. I realized the difference in price between in and another 400W was only $15 and that it should be able to handle my 6 girls without needing anything more then a couple cheap cfls for side lighting, so once it arrives the 400w will be strictly a veg light. I'm still planning on getting a bank of those T8's you mentioned to use as cloning/supplementary vegging lights, but since I have to buy a case of bulbs at a time it's going to be a couple months.
Hey Ed

I do not see a problem, rather what I see is a prime example of what I was saying earlier, where your leaves are relaxed and basking. Shows real good in the 4th pic where you can see the leaves turning to bask in the light, no sign of stress.

Be careful when adding that 600 watter that you start high enough to not cause stress, spend a few days tweakin it in slowly
 

riddleme

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i wasn't that serious!.. all they have to do is read around to find no support to this style of growing..
Absolute Myth free style of growing that follows regular botany for plant health and vigor the way mother nature intended, has no support???

I would guess that might be a correct statement for those that truely want to maintain the mystic status of the plant without accepting simple truths???

But I am gonna leave this alone and see what others have to say?
 
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