that has change a few times ...just mix ph and pour , add bk to the mix and wait that 10-15 min and see how that reacts ....ph it and pour it in ....
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IrieRoots
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Zues is Not enough to buffer the acids, Oly definitely what you want to rely on.....and Oly is a very important 10% calcium source so it need to be in every feed.
IrieRoots
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If you were over feeding, you slurry would be out of range, your feed strength has been fine. Just need to make sure to use less and don't feed until the pots start drying out more and become lighter in weight.
BunkerKing
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Hmmmm.
Me thinks daily watering with young plants + nursery pots = trouble.
Still getting pools of water, where the roots just sit in.
Im gonna try some expanded clay balls at the bottom of pots.
See if i can outright stop this problem.
Fabric pot plants are growing great, and i think thats due to the huge drainage surface.
Might reduce them to just once a day, until flower.
anytime i get puddles of water that have trouble draining out of the pot. Its game over.
Never had this issues with seeds/tap roots.
Me thinks daily watering with young plants + nursery pots = trouble.
Still getting pools of water, where the roots just sit in.
Im gonna try some expanded clay balls at the bottom of pots.
See if i can outright stop this problem.
Fabric pot plants are growing great, and i think thats due to the huge drainage surface.
Might reduce them to just once a day, until flower.
anytime i get puddles of water that have trouble draining out of the pot. Its game over.
Never had this issues with seeds/tap roots.
BunkerKing
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On super light feeds though? Not enough nutes to bring the PH down enough to use it.
Id have to lower the PH beforehand, then mix in nutes to have it low enough to add oly.
and eh? M.M/Ghia/Zeus was a 3 part line for many moons right? I would think it is. When i add bonemeal yah. Oly. (lmk if im wrong here)
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IrieRoots
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Thats right, the 3 PART system is all that is needed, the Herc is the magic that transformed the line. If only using the 3 part, the dilution would need to be higher on Medusa & Gaia(Zues stay at 5 ml) and that should drop ph more. Hell Gaia drops my ph more than Herc.
BassheadGrowsWeed
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Would this cause a random spike in discoloration so out of the blue though? She’s been getting fed this volume for over a month at least probably closer to two
didn't you say that you had some one else feed and screwed it up ? playing with nectar doesn't take long for an opps to appear .... herc to bk your 6:1 ratio ? was there enough of herc in the soil before starting bk ? the more feed to less volume , is your watering constant ? if it takes 3 days till next watering with 1 gallon then why not do a 1/2 gallon same strength and feed every 2 days or every other day ? thats an example ..... im having an problem that slurries are in check but having issues something is causing something to make that happen .... no bug problem ? these are under the LED LIGHT ? right under the light that this issues are showing ?
BunkerKing
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Maybe not so much with coco?
I could bump up the feed but its not like they are gonna uptake more just because the ppm's are higher.
(still a newb so, could be wrong here)
They appear happy, lovely colors.
The MK ultra roots are still recovering, PP on the left is rocking.
thats what you call pushing ..if everything is set in soil you can run a higher ppm and they will take it .. but as they are building they will want more and more ...this is where the number game comes in .... so we know the 300-500 ppm is where you want to be , but lets push that 525-550 , well you can as long as when to add teas or herc to keep it near that range ...... but again you gotta build it up to that point... I push my feed ppms up to 2400 ppm and had my slurries around 475-525 ppms and my ph was inline .. if that ph drops out of range for to long your screwed ....
BunkerKing
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im down to push like last time.
I just went from feeding every few days to twice a day. Didnt want to slam em too hard. Once they adapt ill start adding in more.
I really need as much meds as i can grow per plant, i really should just get a OMMP card. But meh.
I just went from feeding every few days to twice a day. Didnt want to slam em too hard. Once they adapt ill start adding in more.
I really need as much meds as i can grow per plant, i really should just get a OMMP card. But meh.
BassheadGrowsWeed
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She fed probably 1/8 of a gallon a week ago so she definitely was under watered for a day or two and when I got home I fed her the rest of that gallon, and then fed her 40ish hours later the gallon and a half I usually do, followed by a herc/oly flush last night.
I made sure I was preloading herc before adding the Bk to the feedings and am feeding 6:1 but question about that, is it 6:1 total or 6:1 extra for the Bk plus the herc that’s on the feeding chart? I’ve been feeding at a total of 6:1 but may be low on herc if it’s supposed to be the 2 TBL per gallon plus an additional 6:1 for the Bk compensation. Currently I’ve been feeding a gallon and a half every 2 days but it’s been to some runoff. I can’t see any signs of bugs in the tent at all. It’s under a lush dominator 2xxl led that draws 630 w from the wall hung 26” above the canopy. Been under this light for almost a month. It seems like mostly fan leaves that we’re effected with the exception of this one area of bud/sugar leaves That seems to have died off partially. Here’s a picture of the canopy today, it doesn’t appear to have gotten any worse, maybe slight more yellowing but I didn’t notice these sugar leaves last night
I’ll be feeding a 1 gallon microbe tea tomorrow night
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IrieRoots
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IrieRoots
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I wasn't saying to feed more, was just making a point when using Nectar as a 3 part, the dilution rates need to be higher, in return the feeds will need Oly to buffer up.
When it comes to uptake, the plant has no choice with soluble nutrients until its too much or too little because it can throw the soil ph off and hinder uptake. Thats why ph is critical, when soluble nutrients are at the proper ph they pass right through into the plant whether the plant wants it or not. So if there is not enough nutrients, or there is too much, problems can occur. With Nectar, the majority of plant nutrition goes into the plant attached to Calcium molecules so we stress the mid 6 ph range. Nitrogen & potassium flow freely without the calcium and they go into the plant easier than calcium so if either are in higher concentrations they will out compete the calcium and hog all the points of uptake in the root cell walls and deficiency or toxicity can occur. Luckily we have a rootzone range to try and stay within, that also can guide our feed strength & ph, plus give us an idea of the plants metabolism. Its also suggested to saturate the media when feeding so feeds or resets park in the rootzone, and not take feeds to RUNOFF. A good starting point is 10% the volume of soil.....ex) 1 gallon feed per 10 gallon pot......As the plant hits flower set & peak bloom then more volume may be needed. Every 3 or 4 weeks a TEA day or perhaps a feed day after a flush can be fed to a slight runoff to drive any buildup out that may occur, but staying in range and replenishing microbes will keep the rootzone from getting salt build up & locking out. This is just a few main examples, or baselines, to running nectar. There are so many other variables, light, environment, watering habits, water source, soil type, nutrients, minerals, microbes, etc, etc.........they all play a role in plant health and can be a cause of problems.
BassheadGrowsWeed
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I waited 48 hours between feedings and fed her a 1 gallon microbe tea last night, she seems to be getting more more yellow and some of the leaves are dying/brown. I’ve got no clue what’s wrong with her but I really don’t wanna lose her, she’s my first plant
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BunkerKing
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Hmmm ok i thought about what you all said.
https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/askeds-coco-guide.620656/
Eds coco guide isnt that far off from what i was originally doing.
This will allow me to water abit less, but higher PPMs.
Allowing me to run Oly more to buffer the soil.
The mk ultra plant is kicking out some roots at the bottom of the fabric pot as well now.
But i feel like i need to build up the roots more before twice daily.
The plastic pot issue:
With coco, its a really slow to drain. The last 10% takes ages.
The bottom of the pot was getting puddles of water built up.
Even after most of it drained out.
So clay pebbles should fix that issue.
https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/askeds-coco-guide.620656/
Eds coco guide isnt that far off from what i was originally doing.
This will allow me to water abit less, but higher PPMs.
Allowing me to run Oly more to buffer the soil.
The mk ultra plant is kicking out some roots at the bottom of the fabric pot as well now.
But i feel like i need to build up the roots more before twice daily.
The plastic pot issue:
With coco, its a really slow to drain. The last 10% takes ages.
The bottom of the pot was getting puddles of water built up.
Even after most of it drained out.
So clay pebbles should fix that issue.
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BunkerKing
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Yikes sorry buddy. hope someone can help.
Mullalulla
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Honestly I would just water with herc for a couple days. the damage wont repair itself .. but you should be able to stop it ..
IrieRoots
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Usually a plant that shows this much damage and not getting any better needs a reset flush and the metabolism restarted. They also stop drinking so I don't know how they could be ready for more in 48 hours, it really looks like the roots are over watered and not getting oxygen. Other than this I'm stumped because your slurry wasn't too bad. I would just give them a 1/2 gallon of 6.4 Herc once they have dried out, might be 4 or 5 days until it's needed with the recent tea. Could possibly run a fan down low to assist.
Mullalulla
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You are watering to much .. I am on a water every day schedule, I water 3/4 of a gallon one day .. and 1 gallon the following day 3/4 the next 1 the following and so forth .. your plant is 1/4 the size my big ones are ... I think you are drowning your roots dude. Especially with the problems you are showing .. they are probably not uptaking much at all .. best bet if the plant is still holding on .. is to just herc flush it for a bit ..
wait did you bk ? any kush genetics in your plant ? Did you have that 6 to 1 ratio of herc to bk ? that might have caused it to happen that quickly.