Newb Growing for Gold!

Here is the root pics that you requested. These are the new sinsistar clones that I got 2 days ago.

Are they ready to go?

These are new pics taken after adjusting temp to 75. Humidity is currently around 60. They are still light green in color and look kinda weak...

The newly transplanted one looks just as bad but no worse off than b4.

Can anybody tell me what those marks are on the big leaves are?

They just seem to have these dark streaks on them. I thought it may have been caused from the burn but I cannot tell for sure. I keep a big 19" fan on them so they are always breezy and as of now they are about 4 or more inches away from the CFL array.

The 10 clones look good today. I just moved the MH light down to 22" and no ill effects so far. I misted eveything and will so again later in the day.

Hey in your last post you talked about humidity and I have no idea how to achieve that. Some point soon (hopefully this weekend) I am going to be adding an inline fan to the 4X4 veg setup. The CFM rating of this fan is going to be about 170 to 200 or so (which is low for a 6 inch). The cubic sq cut of the 4x4 is 112 sq ft. so even with the small and weak fan I am going to be pulling in a new atmosphere once every 30 to 45 seconds. With that much air exchange going on, what would I do to increase humidity?

The res for the 4X4 has 2 exposed 5 gallone buckets, but with the oscilationg fan and the exaust fan I fear that the air flow would be too great for the area to keep moisture.

I might be wrong so if am going to be fine please let me know. I just want to avoid underventilating like I did last time. Dont need any cooked seedlings again.

You may want to put that fan on a temperature control. Depends on the Ambient temperature and humidity levels. If the air you are pulling in in close to the temperature and humidity level you want it will have little effect. If not it could and then you might only want the fan to come on when the temperature gets above the range you want to keep it at. Usually around 75 to 78 degrees.
I found a lot of information in the book INTEGRAL HYDROPONICS by G Low. they have a web site. I haven't looked at that yet. Its Untitled You may want to look there. Looks like things are going better, keep it up.

I looked at that link and it just took me to some generic search page. Either the link is dead or the site is gone or something.

NE'ways, yeah I am perplexed as to what I want to do with that veg room. I suppose that a thermostat or somethiung like it would do the trick. I am always sensitive about turning off the exaust fan in fear of repeating my burn session. Right now that little heater seems to be doing well at keeping it at 75. Humidity is high right now, between 60-70 mostly due to the fact that it has been raining.

I am going to have to get that exaust fan in there first and look at the enviroment then, measure and then fix it somehow. I think I will try to get a low CFM output and go from there.

Of course knowing my luck we will have another summer of multiple 100+ degree days and I will kick myself for not going with a bigger exaust fan.

I just wish I had a basement....

Well today I transplanted all of my original clones and finished the rest of the seedlings.

New clones:

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3179&stc=1&d=1171159639

New seedlings:

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3182&stc=1&d=1171159639

Can you look at some of the closeups down below. The seedlings are liking their new homes ver much and there was not a lot of roots so I think that the transplant went very well.

I also took one of the 5 newest clones and transplanted her since she was showing great root growth. Check her out:

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3180&stc=1&d=1171159639

Of the 10 original clones I only need 5 to make it. i am sure that they will all be okay but I plan to take the best 10 to take to veg when the time is right.

The transplant with the clones went well as well but I am sure that some of them are going to have some serious shock. A couple of them had some major root masses that I could not save. All we can do now is be patient.

Over the next couple of days I am going to wait and the only real work that i have to do is transplanting the remaining 4 clones to rockwool cubes.

Well that is my update for the date.

Cheers Mates!

Can anyone please tell me what optimum growing temps are?

The guy at the store said 76 degrees is the perfect leaf temp for plants.

I have also heard that babies/clones like it a bit hotter.

RIght now my veg is at 80 (just got a thermostat for my fan to keep it there).

My flowering rooms are like at 70 or so.

Please tell me what is best.

Thanks,

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Hey all!

Sorry I have been gone for so long.

So here we are 10 days later and the growth has been explosive! I must say that one makor lesson that I learned is that plants do NOT like to be shocked. For every shock event, you can be penalized 1 to 2 weeks of growth.

Transplanting does not seem to be that bad if you can keep root damage to a minimum but the heat/light stress can be really bad as it was in my case.

Currently I am feeding them GH's Floranova and it seems to be working okay. Based on reccomendations from people here as well as people from my local hydro store I will be switching to Botanicare's Pure Blend Grow while supplementing that with Liquid Karma and CAL-MAG.

I would like to ask you all if the following is true:

My hydro guy told me not to add too much CAL-MAG (if at all) because it sometimes has the habit of binding with other nutriets in the other fertilizers and that it can possibly cause, "nutrient lock-up".

Since I change my resivoirs weekly, I plan on adding CAL-MAG near the end of the week (maybe the last day or two) after the plants have absorbed a lot of the available nutrients.

Is this a good stradegy?

Please help me out here if you can, especially if you have a lot of exp with Botanicare's products.

I will get pics of P-Diddy's plants tomorrow so all can see. I would take them now but he is sleeping...


Cheers

Does anybody ever answer posts on this message board???

WTF???

dude, can't really answer your questions about nutes and shit, but I can say that you went ALLLL OUT bro. I am very much looking forward to viewing your progress. I'm on my first grow as well, and I definitely went all out as well, but you went ALLLLLLLL OUUUUUUUT dude.
I might have scimmed over it, but do you plan on supplementing your flower room with CO2? If not, you def should; I hear that optimal room temp with added CO2 is at around 84 - 90F.
Looking forward to more pics dude.

Have you checked Botanicare's website? They list the info on how to use their nutes. They say to use the CalMag if you don't use tap water. And use it mainly during flowering.

And I've decided against using the Liquid Karma, I use GH's Floralicious Plus, it has everything that the Karma has, as well as what HydroGuard has, and more.

HTH

Hey all thanks for posting. All of your input is helpful and I will definately look into that GH Floralicious Plus. Question is, does it leave a lot of salt residue? I was using GH's Flora Nova and it was so messy which is why I made the switch to botanicare. I am open to everything though.

I just added a small boy water purification system so would that still be considered tap?

Also, will there be any problems adding a little Cal Mag to my plants while they are vegging? THey all seem to look fine. Once thing that I have noticed is a dark slimy fungus or algae growing on some of my rockwool cubes. Seems to be some stuff left over from the HUM tea.

Should I be worried about this?

I will get pics for you all tomorrow, I need to get some sleep...

Pizzle...

cant wait mate! very nice its commin along.

I m looking forward to some good progress. Sunday I will be moving them to their buckets and them after 1 more week of veg I think they will be ready for flower time.

And dont worry the co2 is on the way. I just haven't decided on which system that I am going to go with yet.

if you use c02 you need a temp of around 90F mate! so make sure you can get ur temp maintained at 90F or it wont work so good

Alright everybody here is an update to what I have done.

I decided to move my plants into their biobuckets earliy so that I could just get the work out of the way.

I used Botanicare's Readygrow with Hydromite to line the bottom.

I rinsed the hydromite before putting it into the baskets and then added the readygrow. Next was preping the res but I will get into that later.

Once the readygrow was rinsed with salution saterated water I dug small holes and placed them in. The lining at the bottom is between 1.5 to 2 inches with the rockwool sitting right above the hydromite layer. I then added more readygrow to fill them in and added more water to moisten and solidify the medium.

Check out the new pics!

All five of the 2nd gen sensistar clones were moved as well as 4 of the 1st gen sensistar clones (the ones i burned originally). I gave one to a friend a week ago as a present since it was not growing well enough leave 4 leftovers that i moved back to the veg room.

Checkit:

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3980&stc=1&d=1172244438

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3981&stc=1&d=1172244438

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3982&stc=1&d=1172244438

Here you can se the cycle stat timer and thermostat (which is useless because of the low temps (69 to 75)). All of the wiring is put through the small hole of the hut and the syphoning line back to the res works even though the drainage hose runs higher than the water level. This was achieved by first siphoning the water from the res to the buckets by lifting the res well above the buckets to allow for the water to saturate the line. Once that was established all was good!

Before we get into that let me first show you all my small boy setup. Originally I was going to use a gravity buct with a flot valve for runoff since I though I was not going to have a nearby water source. Being the stoner that I am, I never thought to look behind this small metal door right next to my ress.

OMFG its H2o!

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3985&stc=1&d=1172245310

I must say that I love this water line! I used several t connectors and on/off valves to make the system vey easy to use and versitle:

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3986&stc=1&d=1172245310

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3987&stc=1&d=1172245310

Now that I had my new filtered water source I went ahead and put 10 gallons into my 20 gallon res. Since my res and bio-buckets are all at the same water level I use the res to sync all off the water lines by the res. I was think about getting control bucket but that that I wouldn't need it. It also just so happened that 10 gallons was perfect placing the water lince about an inch from the bottom of the basket.

My initial PPM was 200 and PH was around 8 (yikes). I went ahead and adjusted the PH to 5.8 and then added first pure blend read grow and then liquid Karma. I followed the directions to a T and my final PPM was 450.

Does that sound right to all of you? I see a lot of threads where people keep their PPMs much higher but I just decided to do what the bottle said for now.

You can get a close up look of the clone to gauge their size. I used the nute dose reccomended for smal vegetative plants.

1st gen (burned ones)

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3988&stc=1&d=1172245310

2nd gen

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3989&stc=1&d=1172245310

Now back to the res...

Once the initial ten gallons was mixed I activated the pump and the let the drip lines satrate the soil and then fill the buckets. The 10 gallon res emptied out completely so I went ahead and capped the res and bixed another 10 gallon bactch like I had done previously before. Keep in mind that the return line was turned off so that no water was coming back from the buckets.

Once the 2nd res was mixed I fed it into the system as well. At this point the soil was catching a lot of moisture and the buckets were almost filled to their desired level. i then added another 5 gallon batch to te res and then fed it in with the return line open to equilize the system.

With the float valve set and water levels good i then put in the plants. I packed them in ther well and then added more dry ready grow to fill them in. Afterwards I sprayed bottled the soil to moisten the top layer so that the fans wouldn't blow it around everywhere. I ran the drip lines again for more testing and observation and also to further moisten the medium.

Currently my cycle stat is set for 1 minute waterings 3X a day. Do you all think that that is good?

The CFL based veg room has been working very well and I am liking what I am seeing in there lately. The Critical Mass seedlings have grown A LOT!

Look at them now!

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3990&stc=1&d=1172246329


https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3991&stc=1&d=1172246329

OF the transplanted clones, 4 did not make the cut so they were moved into the veg room with the seedlings. The front 4 plants are the clones:

https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3992&stc=1&d=1172246329

With the heater and thermostat controlled exaust fan, this room has kpet awesome temps and have really created a good enviroment for everything in there.

All I have been doing is topping off the res and adjusting PH daily. THe res is changed weekly and next week we will put them on the Pure Blend nute as well.

2 of the clones that I took out had some very minor powder mildew but it was easy to treat with a spray that I bought at my hydro store.

Hope I am doing this all correctly thus far. Any input would help a lot!

Please ask me any questions as well.

i will update you as thing progress. OH YEAH!

I almost forgot,

P's stuff we be added soon as well so you can see the soil to hydro comparision. Just keep in mind that I am a fucking noob and he is not!

Peace out fellas!

BTW, thanks for the temp tip for CO2 DIE420. I am going to have to find a way to raise temps since my flowering rooms at about 71 degrees with lights on.

Hopefully by then i can use the heater from my veg room once my seedlings get big enough.

how far away is your light from those plants? Maybe the pics are misleading, but it seems as though you might be able to put them a little closer.

There are about 18"

I had them at 12" but then they started showing a little heat stress so I pulled them away.

Once they have taken to their new homes I will try to move them closer again.