MOONROCKS, COPYCAT CAVIAR- CURING HELP

kenobi

kenobi

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Just made some moonrocks using some bho that never rocked up and stayed sappy. I warmed it up on a griddle and did the moonrock process like normal. Does anyone know how I would go about curing it? Do I leave it in a open jar for a day and burp it every other day?
 
BobCajun

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kenobi said:
Just made some moonrocks using some bho that never rocked up and stayed sappy. I warmed it up on a griddle and did the moonrock process like normal. Does anyone know how I would go about curing it? Do I leave it in a open jar for a day and burp it every other day?
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Cure it first. Doubt if you can cure bud with shatter coating it, at least probably not as well. It probably blocks most of the air. You'd probably get anaerobic activity, which makes ammonia and other bad stuff. In fact you should also cure whatever you're making the shatter from before you make the shatter.
 
kenobi

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Fuuuuuuck lol... I thought about the bho blocking air but had no idea about it breaking down material. I'll see what I get... if it's not good I'll just toss it. I used little popcorn buds from the bottom of the crop so it's all good. The bho was sap and only heat purged too so it was all that great either.
 
BobCajun

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kenobi said:
Fuuuuuuck lol... I thought about the bho blocking air but had no idea about it breaking down material. I'll see what I get... if it's not good I'll just toss it. I used little popcorn buds from the bottom of the crop so it's all good. The bho was sap and only heat purged too so it was all that great either.
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Frankly I doubt anyone would complain if it's not cured right. It's gonna be harsh as hell from the oil anyway so what good would curing do? Actually, this moon rocks thing doesn't seem like that great an idea to me anyway. I mean if you have shatter and kief why not just mix those together and leave out the weed entirely? It wouldn't take much shatter to make kief into soft black hash, or gold/brown hash I suppose. Then you would be da man. Who else has shatter hash? Though come to think of it, it might turn waxy and crumbly after a few days if you don't get all the wax out of the shatter first. How do you do that? I don't know if the wax will cook off or not. Never made any BHO myself, though I have extracted similar product with nonpolar solvent (toluene). It turned into crumbly wax after a couple days. I know the wax is insoluble in cold acetone and will precipitate out if you put it in the fridge, but then you're using more solvent again and will have to evaporate it again or add enough water to make the oil fall out and settle on the bottom.
 
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kenobi

kenobi

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BobCajun said:
Frankly I doubt anyone would complain if it's not cured right. It's gonna be harsh as hell from the oil anyway so what good would curing do? Actually, this moon rocks thing doesn't seem like that great an idea to me anyway. I mean if you have shatter and kief why not just mix those together and leave out the weed entirely? It wouldn't take much shatter to make kief into soft black hash, or gold/brown hash I suppose. Then you would be da man. Who else has shatter hash? Though come to think of it, it might turn waxy and crumbly after a few days if you don't get all the wax out of the shatter first. How do you do that? I don't know if the wax will cook off or not. Never made any BHO myself, though I have extracted similar product with nonpolar solvent (toluene). It turned into crumbly wax after a couple days. I know the wax is insoluble in cold acetone and will precipitate out if you put it in the fridge, but then you're using more solvent again and will have to evaporate it again or add enough water to make the oil fall out and settle on the bottom.
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I think you may be on to smething here brother. That doesn't sound like a bd idea, however I too have concerns regarding the texture but some form of crumbly end product wouldn't be all that bad. I will do another run and see if I can make some shatter using the rosin tech press. I'll keep you posted
 
qwizoking

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BobCajun said:
Frankly I doubt anyone would complain if it's not cured right. It's gonna be harsh as hell from the oil anyway so what good would curing do? Actually, this moon rocks thing doesn't seem like that great an idea to me anyway. I mean if you have shatter and kief why not just mix those together and leave out the weed entirely? It wouldn't take much shatter to make kief into soft black hash, or gold/brown hash I suppose. Then you would be da man. Who else has shatter hash? Though come to think of it, it might turn waxy and crumbly after a few days if you don't get all the wax out of the shatter first. How do you do that?

Winterizing will remove some of the non polar compounds with higher melting points and lower solubility



I don't know if the wax will cook off or not.
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Never made any BHO myself, though I have extracted similar product with nonpolar solvent (toluene). It turned into crumbly wax after a couple days.

Waxing is a complicated process, google nucleate

I know the wax is insoluble in cold acetone and will precipitate out if you put it in the fridge, but then you're using more solvent again and will have to evaporate it again or add enough water to make the oil fall out and settle on the bottom.

This is called winterizing. Extract with a non polar solvent. Dissopve in warm relatively polar solvent and chill, fioter the precipitate.
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Rosin can produce shatter, but usually results in goop from temp and steam.
 
kenobi

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qwizoking said:
Rosin can produce shatter, but usually results in goop from temp and steam.
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Agreed, I believe it's strain dependent but others disagree. I've used the rosin tech a few times, maybe 10 or 15 times. I use a sandwich press at 210 degrees for sticky buds and make rock hard golden glass. Then did the same operation with different bud and got this sappy yet still good stuff however that's only happened once and eventually it became somewhat solid but still stringy
 
BobCajun

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kenobi said:
Agreed, I believe it's strain dependent but others disagree. I've used the rosin tech a few times, maybe 10 or 15 times. I use a sandwich press at 210 degrees for sticky buds and make rock hard golden glass. Then did the same operation with different bud and got this sappy yet still good stuff however that's only happened once and eventually it became somewhat solid but still stringy
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Have you tried heating rosin until it boils and then letting it boil until the bubbles get thick and slow instead of thin and quick? There's probably a bunch of low boiling stuff in it. I do that with regular oil extracted with acetone. It gets the water and low boiling stuff out. Then it's like shatter when cool, and good for making soft hash with. I just use a microwave myself. You have to watch that it doesn't get too hot though or it will turn brown and have a less desirable smell. I just give it less than a minute at a time.
 
kenobi

kenobi

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BobCajun said:
Have you tried heating rosin until it boils and then letting it boil until the bubbles get thick and slow instead of thin and quick? There's probably a bunch of low boiling stuff in it. I do that with regular oil extracted with acetone. It gets the water and low boiling stuff out. Then it's like shatter when cool, and good for making soft hash with. I just use a microwave myself. You have to watch that it doesn't get too hot though or it will turn brown and have a less desirable smell. I just give it less than a minute at a time.
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So I let it "cure" until last night and figured I'd smoke it. Great success, I got extremely high and that bho gummed onto the bud. It wasn't crumbly like the moonrocks I make with oil and let cure for 2 months so I couldn't crumble it in my bowl nor grind it so I just hand broke it in little baby chunks and smoke it up like that. I got just as high as I normally do when I roll up some bud and sprinkle some on top. All and all it worked not something I will try again, I like my shit to crumble
 
kenobi

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I also got some bho and added some kief to it on a griddle and let it paste up then rolled it up to a little ball and then rolled that up again in kief and now I'm letting it cure. Let's see what happens to this.. I know bho eventually goes bad so I'll probably "cure" for about 5 days. No reason why, I just feel like I should lol
 
qwizoking

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It really doesn't go bad.. at least not for a while...months to years.
The outside of that ball will darken over time. The oils will break down plant matter and clean the kief.
I would cure for a couple months or treat like pressed hash



I would also never boil..you lose all the lighter compounds...your flavor
 
kenobi

kenobi

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qwizoking said:
It really doesn't go bad.. at least not for a while...months to years.
The outside of that ball will darken over time. The oils will break down plant matter and clean the kief.
I would cure for a couple months or treat like pressed hash
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I love this website man, just when you think you know it all someone always knows more lol. Thanks alot I'll def try the pressed hash method
 
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