miracle gro sucks? lol

Yes. The first time I tried to grow weed I didn't know any better and I didn't know where to even find anything else. I mixed it at half-strength and burnt the shit out of my plants. Granted, it was my first grow and I didn't really know what I was doing, but the Miracle Grow only made my situation worse. I've heard pretty much the same story countless times by new, inexperienced growers. And that's one of the big problems I have with it. People who don't know what they are doing use it because they don't know any better. They end up fuckin up their plants more often than not, and they get discouraged. But like you pointed out, you can get good results using it if you know what you're doing, and I do acknowledge that.
 
rolla8 said:
Yes. The first time I tried to grow weed I didn't know any better and I didn't know where to even find anything else. I mixed it at half-strength and burnt the shit out of my plants. Granted, it was my first grow and I didn't really know what I was doing, but the Miracle Grow only made my situation worse. I've heard pretty much the same story countless times by new, inexperienced growers. And that's one of the big problems I have with it. People who don't know what they are doing use it because they don't know any better. They end up fuckin up their plants more often than not, and they get discouraged. But like you pointed out, you can get good results using it if you know what you're doing, and I do acknowledge that.
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How? :confused:
 
you don't need to mix most of that stuff with promix. it's already made of peatmoss, perlite, vermiculite (i believe) and lime.

the organic ingredients would still be of benefit.

i was told that growing in coir can be as unforgiving as hydro, so proceed with caution if you go down that road
 
Come on guys.... I'd love to slow play this until y'all get a clue, but it's not MG's fault if you don't know how to grow. The soil says, "feeds up to 3 months" right there on the front of the bag. All you gotta do is add water. It doesn't get any easier than that.

I just wanna know how MG made things worse for Rolla8, and I don't wanna hear it from anyone but him.
 
TheFaux said:
Come on guys.... I'd love to slow play this until y'all get a clue, but it's not MG's fault if you don't know how to grow. The soil says, "feeds up to 3 months" right there on the front of the bag. All you gotta do is add water. It doesn't get any easier than that.

I just wanna know how MG made things worse for Rolla8, and I don't wanna hear it from anyone but him.
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that's what I was trying to say , its because of the growers that don't bother reading and try to add to much nutes to early that cause the probs
 
LilCX12 said:
that's what I was trying to say , its because of the growers that don't bother reading and try to add to much nutes to early that cause the probs
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Well it could be over-watering, under-watering, low temps, high temps, low humidity, high humidity, not enough light, too much light.... point is..... unless you were there you just don't know. Rolla8 said MG made things worse and I wanna know how the Scotts corporation fucked up his plants. Is that okay with you?
 
i grow with mg. the problem i ran into being a newb was over watering causing the nute balls to open. got me a hydro meter and no more problems.
 
The problem I had with it was twofold. The first part of the problem was with the soil composition itself. After a few waterings, the soil became compacted and tight. This led to poor drainage as the soil held too much water. The compacted soil also didn't allow for enough oxygen to penetrate the root zone, which was only exacerbated by the excess water it was holding. The result was that the plants regularly showed symptoms of overwatering even though I was allowing enough time for the soil to dry out between waterings.

The second part of the problem had to do with the MG nutes they pack into their soil. I read the bag and understood that no additional nutes were required for the first 3 months of use. However, after the first 3 weeks or so, the plants started showing signs of nitrogen deficiency which got worse by the day. To correct the problem, I treated the plants with a diluted concentration of MG nutes. This is where things got ugly. Within about 24 hours, the nitrogen deficiency started to improve and I thought all was well. But the next day, the plants began showing signs of nute burn. The blast of MG had corrected the nitrogen deficiency, but in the process it lead to excessive amounts of the other nutritional components, resulting in nute burn. Over the next two weeks or so, I tried correcting the problems by flushing it with plain water which only resulted in the nitrogen deficiency returning as well as returning symptoms of overwatering because of the poor drainage. I went back and forth between the nitrogen deficiency, secondary nute burn, and excess water build-up until finally my plants had enough and died.

Now, if all of this happened to me today it would be a different story. Knowing about the poor drainage, I would cut the soil mix with additional perlite. Because I now know that to treat a nutrient deficiency you supplement the plants with only the deficient nutrient, I would give them a shot of Nitrex at the first signs of a nitrogen deficiency, rather than feed the plant a light dose of MG. Basically, the problems I had and the mistakes I made are common to new growers and not the fault of Miracle Grow, per se. However, I also have to acknowledge that I wouldn't have had any of those problems had I not chosen to use the MG soil and nutes. And the fact that the nutes packed into their soil do not provide a sufficiently balanced diet for the plants makes it that much more difficult for new users to have success with it. I would have been better off using a soil mix that provided better drainage and had no chemical nutes pre-loaded. And that's what it comes down to. For new users with limited experience, I don't believe that it is a suitable choice for growing marijuana.
 
i've had good results from a similar pre fertilized soil product during my first grow. if anything i've learned is don't mess with it and just water it. no nutrients until at least a month, then only a fraction of the manufacturers recommendation because i too had some burning. i have gotten some organic fertilizer for blooming and will go very EASY on it as well :weed:
 
4 gal MG moisture control
10oz cup of dolomite lime.
a bunch of perlite
a handfull of sphagnum moss.

Adjust lime to maintain pH.

MG works if used right. NO NUTES!


RastaCourage said:
before i transplant, i want to buy some other soil...
because, people keep saying that miracle gro is, a bad choice
(if possible... can someone tell me why, it's bad to use?)
& that's what i'm using... does anyone know, what's good?
i was thinking about using those pink balls? lol
sorry, i don't know what it's called, but anyone, suggest a soil?

EDIT
for flowering, i was thinking something, like this

50% miracle grow or similar potting soil
20% jamaican bat guano
10% organic seafood fertilizer
10% perlite
05% sand
05% organic mix
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ive found that the bags of MG are very in texture and weight from bag to bag. i picked up several bags and when i got home i realized that some of the bags were a little heavier and clumpy. other bags were lighter and much better for what i wanted. used the other stuff for flowers.
had good luck with straight MG tho. but gonna try sunshine mix next. same as promix i think.
 
smoke and coke said:
ive found that the bags of MG are very in texture and weight from bag to bag. i picked up several bags and when i got home i realized that some of the bags were a little heavier and clumpy. other bags were lighter and much better for what i wanted. used the other stuff for flowers.
had good luck with straight MG tho. but gonna try sunshine mix next. same as promix i think.
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I haven't notice that much. But my bags sit for a while before using (help the prills break down) But buying from an outdoor or indoor shop? The bags are perforated, so absorb/release moisture as the humidity changes (and rain)

I just got a bail of ProMix. Gonna test it out.
Once all done, I'll have a great base of soil to compost for next year. (MG, Pro Mix and FF, plus the additives as it cooks)
 
If you want to make things easy on yourself use Fox Farms Ocean Forrest. It is fanatastic stuff. You don't need to worry about any mixing, stabilizing, burning, etc. Unlike Miracle Grow or other common Home Depot/Lowes/Kmart soil brands, it does not have any ferts that disolve over time and with water, burning your plants.

It feeds naturally for about a month, after which you add your own nutes. Grow Big and Tiger Bloom are excellent choices as well
 
Bamstone said:
If you want to make things easy on yourself use Fox Farms Ocean Forrest. It is fanatastic stuff. You don't need to worry about any mixing, stabilizing, burning, etc. Unlike Miracle Grow or other common Home Depot/Lowes/Kmart soil brands, it does not have any ferts that disolve over time and with water, burning your plants.

It feeds naturally for about a month, after which you add your own nutes. Grow Big and Tiger Bloom are excellent choices as well
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Over-rated.
 
I've found the MGmc soil excellent for vegging, not so much, for flowering. I've done two grows with it (well, am on 2nd grow) and saw early yellowing in 12/12 on both.
Still got nice buds, though, and weight.
 
MrFishy said:
I've found the MGmc soil excellent for vegging, not so much, for flowering. I've done two grows with it (well, am on 2nd grow) and saw early yellowing in 12/12 on both.
Still got nice buds, though, and weight.
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That "feeds for up to 3 months" means just that. Fast growing plants like mj require a lot of food. You wouldn't stick a plant in Ocean Forrest and expect to veg for a few weeks and then have the nutes last until late flowering. If you guys wanna do something like that you need https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/44686-subcools-super-soil.html
 
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