Mega Crop vs Dyna-Gro comparison grow

Will MegaCrop hit the 19-20oz yield benchmark?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 63.6%
  • No

    Votes: 7 21.2%
  • This shit is biased as hell!

    Votes: 5 15.2%

  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .

ghbond

Active Member
I've been excited to share this for weeks now, and it seems like ancient history since I'm buried in research on aeroponics now.
While researching nutrients, I came across an article while researching the effects of different nutrient components on EC by a tiny company in Australia.

I was so impressed with the technical details that I found on their site. You could spend days reading all the technical information they have.


I would go 6 down under "Nutrient Science" and read "Beyond the Hype..." first.

They have spent a lot of money researching other companies' formulations, and doing their own analysis of what works best for cannabis, specifically for GROWING IN COCOA COIR. I guess that means less phosphorus and more calcium.

Nowhere on their site could I find the NPK of their Part A and Part B. After trying some retailers' sites in their limited distribution in Australia, I finally found a retailer that had the NPK on their site. The ratios seemed familiar, and guess what!!!

Med-Tek (Australia Only)
5 0 6 bloom a
0 3 2 bloom b
5 3 8 Total

Which lead me to notice:

Med-Tek (x2) 10 6 16
Mega Crop 9 6 17

So if you're a Cocoa grower, Mega Crop may well be the perfect stuff for you! As for me, I will stick with Dyna Gro for now, because its simplicity suits my current needs.

If your read my earlier post, you're aware I switched from GH to Dyna Grow based on the information provided by HB. So far the result looks good, and after two weeks unattended, the pH was still in range when I returned.
 

kinnyg1234

Well-Known Member
Great Report.

I wonder if you think the MC vs Dyna with no additives.. which you think would taste better, bigger yield etc. for the bare bones gardeners out there.

You were right on with the labeling being a little fucked. I use WAY more than it says to on the bag.

Just a tip with the MC in my experience... to save someone out there the issue I was having...

Because no edta etc.. different kind of food.. not easy to burn plants - especially without booster but even with.

If you see 'burning' on lower leaves, you are Underfeeding. I average about 15 'ml' of powder for 8 liters of water in flower (coco).. pretty sure that is about 1/3 more than it says to.. and I do go higher. -Haven't looked for a while.

Thanks again for the effort.
 

Tenthfloor

Active Member
Hey HB, great thread yet again! I’ve read through a few of your comparison grows and you seem to know a ton about nutrients. I’m wondering what your opinion is on sulfur and it’s positive effects on the finished product. I’ve used maxi for a couple of years now and when I finished my first run using only maxibloom STF I was impressed by the quality. I heard a podcast around the same time raving about the positive effects of sulfur on aroma and taste. Maxi has 4%. Ever since then I’ve wondered about its importance. I notice MC has half that and dyna generally has even less (I think like 1.5 if using FP and MagPro). Do you think more would be beneficial or even usable? Or is it maybe more important that it’s balanced properly with other elements?
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Hey HB, great thread yet again! I’ve read through a few of your comparison grows and you seem to know a ton about nutrients. I’m wondering what your opinion is on sulfur and it’s positive effects on the finished product. I’ve used maxi for a couple of years now and when I finished my first run using only maxibloom STF I was impressed by the quality. I heard a podcast around the same time raving about the positive effects of sulfur on aroma and taste. Maxi has 4%. Ever since then I’ve wondered about its importance. I notice MC has half that and dyna generally has even less (I think like 1.5 if using FP and MagPro). Do you think more would be beneficial or even usable? Or is it maybe more important that it’s balanced properly with other elements?
I noticed some years ago that a lot of 'sweeteners' and products claiming to increase resin contained sulfur. So naturally I increased the use of these products (and even tested the addition of potassium sulfate) and didn't see a noticeable difference. So to me it seemed that supplying enough is good and supplying more had no additional benefit. Also, I noticed that these products worked MUCH better in hydro than in peat. In fact, I wouldn't even bother trying to add more sulfur in peat. I do, however, like an organic-ish additive in peat and in hydro, something with sea kelp/humics/fulvics seems to benefit aroma and flavor to a degree.
 

iShatterBladderz

Well-Known Member
Thank you for your patience! Life has been non-stop for a while now but I finally made some time for the review.

Mega Crop vs Dyna Gro final write-up.....

As I mentioned in the first post of this thread, I was going to be looking at different aspects of Mega Crop and comparing it to the food that I use regularly, which is DynaGro. I’ve already gone over ease of use, versatility, cost, pH stability, plant performance, plant health, etc., so my plan here is to just wrap this up with some closing thoughts.

The final yield for these plants was 805 grams (roughly 28.4 ounces) which is actually a personal best by 1 gram. My previous personal best occurred during my previous run with DynaGro just a couple months before this comparison grow. My goal in regards to yield coming into this comparison was 19-20oz because that’s been my average for years now in this corner tray with a 600 HPS. The thing about these last two runs, which have been personal bests, is that they’ve been powered by a brand new ballast. My previous ballast was a 600w Quantum and while that piece of sh*t did last a couple of years, it popped during the first week of my previous run with DynaGro and it took out a bulb with it. So I went to my local hydro store and promptly replaced the bulb and bought a new 600w single-ended Sun System 1. So the problem with these yield numbers is that it seems like this new ballast is vastly superior to my old Quantum and my old baseline for average yields is now antiquated. Before I can draw any final conclusions I’ll need to do another run with DG just to get an idea of what an ‘average’ yield might be. Regardless of the outcome of those future grows, 1.34 grams/watt from a static overhead system in a 3’x4’ space is pretty damn good. Hats off to Mega Crop.

Also something to consider, these MegaCrop plants were quite a bit larger than the DG plants that were pictured in this thread and they were also getting help from a neighboring light as seen below. How much of a difference did the extra height and light make? Probably not more than 15-20% but that’s maybe impossible to determine. Regardless, MC certainly proved to be a very capable plant food.

As I mentioned a number of times, I really didn’t like working with MC. It was a little dusty, dirty, and time consuming to use. On the flipside it was the cheapest food that I’ve ever tested in hydro but it really wasn’t that much cheaper than what I already use. We’re talking at most a $5 savings per two-month cycle in a 20+ gallon reservoir (basically $12 vs DynaGro’s $16.50). Does this savings add up on a larger scale? Certainly. Does the extra time required also scale up? Of course!. Time is my most precious commodity so personally I’d gladly pay a bit more for the sake of ease and efficiency. The bottom line is this: MC could save you $5 per light per harvest and that is a savings that one might actually notice. That's also a savings over one of the most inexpensive liquid foods on the market; DynaGro. So when comparing MC to other liquid foods the cost savings may be even more noticeable.

Speaking of time and efficiency, MC’s higher nitrogen content (as compared to DG’s bloom) did grow leafier, branchier plants which required much more maintenance than I’m used to. Had I not known what to expect in terms of the growth I probably would have yielded a ton of airy, wispy flowers. These plants also required a bit more trimming because they were a little more leafy – maybe 10-20% more leaf? I’ve also noticed that the overall density of the flowers is lower than normal but by no means is the overall density low. The flowers are a tad more fox-tailed that normal - essentially I think the extra N caused the seed bracts to stack more than I'm used to. For the record, I’m a sativa guy, I don’t really care about density. However, if a strain is supposed to produce flowers on the dense side of the spectrum then I don't think the plant food should alter that. In regards to the extra leaf and slightly lower density, I do think that these two ‘issues’ could easily be rectified by the addition of a bloom booster such as MKP. It’s not necessarily the higher P and K that would increase density but the diluted nitrogen content. Because MC supplies more calcium and magnesium than needed, I actually think MC formulated this food to be used with a booster.

As far as the actual quality of the product goes, it’s essentially indistinguishable from other nutrient brands. Aroma and resin production are possibly down a bit on this MC run but I’m sure the difference could be mitigated had I been using the same supplements as I do when running DynaGro. I actually did hear an unsolicited comment about how this round of Casey was really frosty so take that for what it’s worth.

So other than my complaints about the time involved (canopy maintenance, added trim time, weighing, mixing, and dissolving) and the little dusty messes MC makes, it’s a pretty solid performer and it doesn’t break the bank! Well done, Mega Crop.


MegaCrop tray growing into a neighboring light....

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Dried flowers under natural lighting (Mega Crop)...

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More Mega Crop...

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DynaGro Flower....

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I’m still running dynagro in the tent that I had talked to you about, but ive been running megacrop in my bigger one. I’m glad I read this, because I just flipped into flower, and around week 3 i plan on lowering the MC and replacing 1-2g of it with their new formulation of Sweet Candy (0-17-28 ) which not only is now a PK booster, but also has humid & fulvic acids, which I think I read somewhere that you like to use additives with humid & fulvic for increased aroma & flavor. I also have their regular PK booster (bud explosion) on hand, just in case I’m not happy with the new Sweet Candy. Haven’t harvested anything with it yet to compare, but so far my experience has been similar to yours, very leafy and branchy, and a lot of maintenance. the amount of leaves I’ve been pulling off of these plants is insane, and you couldn’t guess it by looking at it, they pop up everywhere

this leaf was from a megacrop plant, and is only a couple weeks old. I rushed two plants through veg to flip with my bigger four in this tent, and only did one top, about two weeks before flipping, this leaf came from above where I topped, so is only two weeks to three weeks old, and is massive.
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swedsteven

Well-Known Member
I’m still running dynagro in the tent that I had talked to you about, but ive been running megacrop in my bigger one. I’m glad I read this, because I just flipped into flower, and around week 3 i plan on lowering the MC and replacing 1-2g of it with their new formulation of Sweet Candy (0-17-28 ) which not only is now a PK booster, but also has humid & fulvic acids, which I think I read somewhere that you like to use additives with humid & fulvic for increased aroma & flavor. I also have their regular PK booster (bud explosion) on hand, just in case I’m not happy with the new Sweet Candy. Haven’t harvested anything with it yet to compare, but so far my experience has been similar to yours, very leafy and branchy, and a lot of maintenance. the amount of leaves I’ve been pulling off of these plants is insane, and you couldn’t guess it by looking at it, they pop up everywhere

this leaf was from a megacrop plant, and is only a couple weeks old. I rushed two plants through veg to flip with my bigger four in this tent, and only did one top, about two weeks before flipping, this leaf came from above where I topped, so is only two weeks to three weeks old, and is massive.
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Hi @homebrewer , have you tried or known about Green planet Dual 1 and Dual 2? They also include all elements but much higher percentage. I know it is 2 parts, and my friends recommend them to me because they had good results. They also use Massive, Liquid Weight, Rezin, and other carbs during flowering.
However, I decided to choose Dyna Foliage Pro and Protekt from start to finish (I use coco) and I’m in week 2 of flowering because of its ease of use. Thanks!
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Hi @homebrewer , have you tried or known about Green planet Dual 1 and Dual 2? They also include all elements but much higher percentage. I know it is 2 parts, and my friends recommend them to me because they had good results. They also use Massive, Liquid Weight, Rezin, and other carbs during flowering.
However, I decided to choose Dyna Foliage Pro and Protekt from start to finish (I use coco) and I’m in week 2 of flowering because of its ease of use. Thanks!
Duel fuel looks like it would work pretty well in container gardens. Doesn't look too expensive either.
 
Duel fuel looks like it would work pretty well in container gardens. Doesn't look too expensive either.
Thank you for your reply! I have researched your threads these days and just starting use Dynagro Foliage Pro and Protekt for my girls with Mokoko (medium is coco) since vegging in week 4 and now I’m in week 2 of flowering. There are some questions that I know you might answer hundred times but I cannot live without asking them

1/ Protekt (0.5 - 1 ml/gal) add first, then FP, then Floralicious Plus. Can I add protekt after that as PH UP without locking out nutrients?
I tried to get PH 5.9 or 5.8 and PPM around 500 or 600 (including my water’s ppm: 100)

2/ Should I buy Dyna Bloom and use with FP with ratio: 4/1 or 2/1 (FP/Bloom)?

3/ How do you treat PM and thrips effectively during flowering?
 

iShatterBladderz

Well-Known Member
Hi @homebrewer , have you tried or known about Green planet Dual 1 and Dual 2? They also include all elements but much higher percentage. I know it is 2 parts, and my friends recommend them to me because they had good results. They also use Massive, Liquid Weight, Rezin, and other carbs during flowering.
However, I decided to choose Dyna Foliage Pro and Protekt from start to finish (I use coco) and I’m in week 2 of flowering because of its ease of use. Thanks!
I know guys local to me using dual fuel with great results. He’s actually a breeder, you can see pics of his plants at https://hymansuegenetics.com/shop?olsPage=products
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Thank you for your reply! I have researched your threads these days and just starting use Dynagro Foliage Pro and Protekt for my girls with Mokoko (medium is coco) since vegging in week 4 and now I’m in week 2 of flowering. There are some questions that I know you might answer hundred times but I cannot live without asking them

1/ Protekt (0.5 - 1 ml/gal) add first, then FP, then Floralicious Plus. Can I add protekt after that as PH UP without locking out nutrients?
I tried to get PH 5.9 or 5.8 and PPM around 500 or 600 (including my water’s ppm: 100)

2/ Should I buy Dyna Bloom and use with FP with ratio: 4/1 or 2/1 (FP/Bloom)?

3/ How do you treat PM and thrips effectively during flowering?
1) Yes, in my experience it's not a problem.

2) You can try a bloom booster if you'd like to see if it helps. I think your best bet is FP all the way through but it's worth an experiment on your end.

3) Spinosad for thrips. PM is an environmental issue. There are chemicals you can spray but that's just putting a bandaid on the issue. You need to find out WHY you're have a PM issue. I had PM once when I was bringing in outside air in the middle of winter. I stopped doing that and the PM went away. In the meantime I think I treated with a high pH solution, like Protekt at 4mls/quart? I can't remember.
 
1) Yes, in my experience it's not a problem.

2) You can try a bloom booster if you'd like to see if it helps. I think your best bet is FP all the way through but it's worth an experiment on your end.

3) Spinosad for thrips. PM is an environmental issue. There are chemicals you can spray but that's just putting a bandaid on the issue. You need to find out WHY you're have a PM issue. I had PM once when I was bringing in outside air in the middle of winter. I stopped doing that and the PM went away. In the meantime I think I treated with a high pH solution, like Protekt at 4mls/quart? I can't remember.
- Thank you! And the PH 5.8 or 5.9 are good in coco, right?
- I see you mentioned about watering techniques. In coco, can I let the medium dry about 1 or 2 inches before watering? because I don’t want to attract Gnats which I got them before.
- How far should I place the lights? I will buy a lux meter soon but I don’t know exactly which range is best for flowering and vegging. Right now I only guess based on hand testing. The distance is around 22 inches and I’m using 1000w hps but I use only 75%, then I see all top leaves of my girls are light green so I reduced to 50% yesterday after watering. I’m afraid that 50% will affect my yield.

I’m sorry for asking too many questions. Thanks!
 

Tenthfloor

Active Member
homebrewer, in your experience does the DG foliage pro also increase branching and leaves that much because of high N?
I’m running a test on mega/sweet candy at 4/1 right now because I usually use GH maxi/armor/kool bloom/flor+ but the flor+ has been clogging my res. I’m in promix but it’s a 5gal SIP interconnected system with a single feed res, so kind of a hybrid system to a degree, in that it is promix but isn’t drain to waste. Everything looks great but my leaf game is going through the roof. Also, I agree that the megacrop is pretty messy.
I’m wondering about a combo of DG FP and Greenleaf Sweet Candy to ease the mess, but I’d like to ease the leafiness too (half my plants are gg#4 which is already a leaf disaster as is). I also don’t know what’s going on with Greenleaf’s passion for K but I’ve been afraid to add Bud Explosion except for at the very beginning and end of flower. I’m already at roughly a 9-10-24 npk with the 4/1 mega/SC. I would go straight DG FP/ DG Bloom mix but I’ve used that combo before in promix and it definitely seemed to be missing something vs my GH mix. I’m just trying to find something less messy to replace that magical flor+. Maybe the magic is in the mess though.
 

miyagifungi

Active Member
I wanted to get your thoughts on Athena Nutrients and what you think about their NPK Ratio. I pretty much read all you posts during this time where I find myself at home more often than usual. I recently bought Athena Nutes and was told I could return them within a timely manner. During this time I decided to give Dyna Gro a shot and asked to return them and of course I was told sorry the owner said no. So I was thinking about doing a side by side. Wanted to see what you would recommend using 7 to 10 gallon smart pots in promix...Drain to waste? Thank you for your time.
 
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