Let's kill 3,125,601 people!

Filthy Phil

Filthy Phil

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Oh my god! You guys act like America is the only country where a person can make it. You think capitalism isnt jappening in every country in the world right now? Travel to communist countries and see that they arent communist, they are capitalist with communi being a slogan they use to justify authoritarianism. So Americas capitalism being the thing that makes this country "great" is irrelivant.

And a quick lesson in political philosophy. Capitalism, socialism, communism... They are terms which relate to the redistribution of generated Money and taxes in relation to the tax and money makers. In a capitalist society a person has absolutely no obligation financially to their workers or underlings....think...industrial revolution, charels dickens, another lump o coal for the fire mr? In a socialist society, those recieving their money from the labor of other individuals must redistribute back some money to those who generate it for you.

This is the America we have been living in our whole lives a semi-socialist america. Some of the most important institutions for society in America are inherrantly socialist(that doesnt make it a bad thing) for example, welfare, cash aid, food stamps, 401k, low income assistance,MINIMUM WAGE. ALL SOCIALIST. Without them though, a large percentage of society would become less productive workers. Poor people without medical assistance and medical problems will become less effective contributors to society unless assistance is given. It is more profitable for everyone to make our lowest earners higher earners. There is a reason these institutions were put in place.

You say capitalism is what made america great, I disagree. The world has capitalism yet has varrying degrees of success. I say the thing that makes America great is Americans. Without them, who is the attainment of success in America to fall on then? With that said, its in our best interests to take care of eachother. In a time when there is less and 1 % of the people want to cheat amd extort the other 99% out of everything to attain more than 3 generations of their family name will ever need, something needs to be done. This is not the America they told you about in 2nd grade, the one that cares about its people.... Something is very wrong here.
 
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redivider

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Filthy Phil said:
Oh my god! You guys act like America is the only country where a person can make it. You think capitalism isnt jappening in every country in the world right now? Travel to communist countries and see that they arent communist, they are capitalist with communi being a slogan they use to justify authoritarianism. So Americas capitalism being the thing that makes this country "great" is irrelivant.

And a quick lesson in political philosophy. Capitalism, socialism, communism... They are terms which relate to the redistribution of generated Money and taxes in relation to the tax and money makers. In a capitalist society a person has absolutely no obligation financially to their workers or underlings....think...industrial revolution, charels dickens, another lump o coal for the fire mr? In a socialist society, those recieving their money from the labor of other individuals must redistribute back some money to those who generate it for you.

This is the America we have been living in our whole lives a semi-socialist america. Some of the most important institutions for society in America are inherrantly socialist(that doesnt make it a bad thing) for example, welfare, cash aid, food stamps, 401k, low income assistance,MINIMUM WAGE. ALL SOCIALIST. Without them though, a large percentage of society would become less productive workers. Poor people without medical assistance and medical problems will become less effective contributors to society unless assistance is given. It is more profitable for everyone to make our lowest earners higher earners. There is a reason these institutions were put in place.

You say capitalism is what made america great, I disagree. The world has capitalism yet has varrying degrees of success. I say the thing that makes America great is Americans. Without them, who is the attainment of success in America to fall on then? With that said, its in our best interests to take care of eachother. In a time when there is less and 1 % of the people want to cheat amd extort the other 99% out of everything to attain more than 3 generations of their family name will ever need, something needs to be done. This is not the America they told you about in 2nd grade, the one that cares about its people.... Something is very wrong here.
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major fail on both substance and grammar.

if you think communism has to do with redistribution of private wealth your teacher/professor should be shot.

Capitalism and communism are two different ways of approaching the control of available resources.

on one end of the spectrum the idea is that PRIVATE control of resources is what works (Capitalism), with individuals being the most important beneficiary. On the other end resources are PUBLIC, with the State being the owner and most important beneficiary.
 
Filthy Phil

Filthy Phil

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redivider said:
major fail on both substance and grammar.

if you think communism has to do with redistribution of private wealth your teacher/professor should be shot.

Capitalism and communism are two different ways of approaching the control of available resources.

on one end of the spectrum the idea is that PRIVATE control of resources is what works (Capitalism), with individuals being the most important beneficiary. On the other end resources are PUBLIC, with the State being the owner and most important beneficiary.
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No, it has to do with redistribution of public wealth, not private, and a different view on what is termed private. If you have people generate wealth for you, a certain amount of that wealth is to be distributed amongst those who generated it for you. This is a constant amongst both economic paradigms, except the scale that each delves into.

I suppose you're right, karl marx and lennin new nothing about what capitalism and communism were, what I read in their litterature is a misenterpretation of the terms. Marx and lennin must have been using the terms incorrectly.

If you are so certain that only private controll of resources works, why are two of the most rapidly expanding economies in the world china and vietnam? Why are the most rapidly declining economies in the world capitalist.

I dont assert that only communism or socialism or capitalism works, they are all as effective as their situations permit. I am simply saying that some of the things in america that you might think are great are socialist institutions and have been for many years. Everyone has just been misdorected as to what the terms actually mean since the 1950s
 
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NoDrama

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Canna Sylvan said:
I'm mad as hell and not taking it anymore. Those greedy bastards need to be wiped out.
I did some research. It takes a salary of about $350,000 to be a 1% club member. So if you assume a person can live on $50,000 a year comfortably, then over 20 years ( life time work) a person investing can make between $154,000-$187,000( $74-$90 per hour), assuming a 7-10% return. Those are your capitalist cronies.

Family practice doctor
Commercial airline pilot
Exotic dancer
Network administrator
Orthodontist
Lawyer

Those are just some of the potential assholes.

My high school had 3,000 students when I graduated. The valedictorian and salutatorian should have been the first ones to be picked off since they had the highest chance to be the a 1% leech? Forget the fact they spent four years not going out partying and smoking weed. Also forget about the ten plus years of studying, mcat, usmle and residency. It's really all about how they can screw you over. It's all a personal vendetta.

If being the 1% is so awesome, why are all those celebrities, directors, professional athletes, musicians and authors so unhappy?

So no offense, but to you occupy folks, fuck you!
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Only a few of the OWS dummies actually want you to pay for their lifestyle. the majority of them want the System changed, but don't know the answer to make it happen. Most are unwilling to do what is actually necessary to effect change in this country.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Wolfhound said:
You would have NO America without capitolism. Our country is based & thrives on it. When we have a leader that is not a supporter of capitolism then you have major problems with employment opportunities & the health of our nation. Foolishly spending money when you have to borrow it to spend it is just another way for socialist to bankrupt us all.
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Unrestrained Capitalism ends up like a game of Monopoly

Do you want to end up being the Player without any Hotels? against the person who owns everything else?
 
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NoDrama

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dukeanthony said:
Unrestrained Capitalism ends up like a game of Monopoly

Do you want to end up being the Player without any Hotels? against the person who owns everything else?
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You can make monopoly hard for them to win when you refuse to play the game.
 
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Coals

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I hate to break this to many of you. America is not currently a functioning democracy with a economy based on Capitalism. AMERICA IS NOT A CAPITALISTIC COUNTRY.

There I said it

America is a Plutocratic monopoly.

Most OWS folks would love America to embrace Capitalism. The literal definition of Capitalism, not what we have raped over and over again and labeled Capitalism.
 
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Coals

Active Member
Canna Sylvan said:
Deprave,
How else can I put this. If your salary range is $154,000 to $187,000. $50,000 living expenses. Leaves you with $104,000 to $137,000 to invest, respectively.

Do you even know how future value with payments work?

Exact amount invested to reach $343,927 AGI over 20 years.

Payment of $143,450
ROI of 7% ( historical stock return)
20 payment periods (years)
Future value $5,878,540
$50,000 of $193,450 salary for 20 years, $1,000,000
Total agi, $6,878,540, over 20 years.

I calculated a bit wrong. So, whatever. I do international marketing consulting, not return on investment. My calculating is a bit rusty.

$343,927 salary for 20 years, $6,878,540.
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You failed to take into account your own Investment Brokers hedging against you and bundling your money in with the purchase of European CDO's, which used to be American CDO's but were toxic so they were sold to Europeans who also found them to be toxic so they re-re-sold them back to US insurance firms in an effort to make a quick profit off the deal despite the fact everyone in on it knew everything was Toxic, over valued and under insured resulting in the entire market crashing and you losing 85% of that $6,878,540 wiping out 20 years of "smart investment" because you "bought" into a massive ponzi scheme aided and abetted by your own elected officials.

So you pick up and re-invest what you have left, which is $1,375,708 because your "broker" reassured you everything is fixed and they are "morally regulated" now. Ofcourse nothing has been fixed and the Dodd Frank Act has been shredded by industry lobby groups and the scam is still functional and you will lose another 80% of your remaining savings.....

Anyway, thats what happened to most people. 9 Old Timers at my current place of employment had their retirement date pushed back approx 5 years. Which was shocking as they were all ritireing within a year prior to 2008.

How does the Kool-Aid taste these days? Are they putting any more sugar in it? I haven't drunk any in years but I remeber it being very bitter.....
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

New Member
Obama Seems to want regulations in place to regulate the Market so People dont get fucked over

Who seems to be against that?
 
Filthy Phil

Filthy Phil

Well-Known Member
dukeanthony said:
Obama Seems to want regulations in place to regulate the Market so People dont get fucked over

Who seems to be against that?
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Apparently the people getting fucked over the most, the poor ie republicans (the kind that dont own mega corporations, the kind that hunt ans go to church and swing hammers for a living) dont want that.

One has to appreciate how they pulled off convincing the poor that if we try to help them, it will hurt them, that if we try to heal, they will get sicker, that we try to educate, they fear ending up dumber. Amazing feat if you ask me.
 
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tomcatjones

Active Member
Canna Sylvan said:
I'm mad as hell and not taking it anymore. Those greedy bastards need to be wiped out.
I did some research. It takes a salary of about $350,000 to be a 1% club member. So if you assume a person can live on $50,000 a year comfortably, then over 20 years ( life time work) a person investing can make between $154,000-$187,000( $74-$90 per hour), assuming a 7-10% return. Those are your capitalist cronies.

Family practice doctor
Commercial airline pilot
Exotic dancer
Network administrator
Orthodontist
Lawyer

Those are just some of the potential assholes.

My high school had 3,000 students when I graduated. The valedictorian and salutatorian should have been the first ones to be picked off since they had the highest chance to be the a 1% leech? Forget the fact they spent four years not going out partying and smoking weed. Also forget about the ten plus years of studying, mcat, usmle and residency. It's really all about how they can screw you over. It's all a personal vendetta.

If being the 1% is so awesome, why are all those celebrities, directors, professional athletes, musicians and authors so unhappy?

So no offense, but to you occupy folks, fuck you!
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it takes well over your figures to be part of the 1 percent.

you make a million a year?

still are in the 1 percent.

keep trying.

here is to 20 list of CEOs.. and remember. its government officials, trust funders, the international bankers. they are allll the 1 percent.

you have a skewed perception. it makes you very incorrect in the rest of your assumptions.

do you know of the bilderberg group?
 
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tomcatjones

Active Member
Canna Sylvan said:
Deprave, if you live off $50,000. You make between $154,000 to $187,000. That leaves your investment payment at $104,000 to $137,000. You'd end up after 20 years about $6,000,000, assuming 7% historical stock market return and a maximum of about 10% is not unheard of. Unless you got insider trading, $50,000 salary won't make $154k to $187k. Besides, $187k is not the $350k I quoted.
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acting as if i'm in the 1 percent:

"LOL you are so poor." "I fuel my jet with your mortage, lulz. off to brazil to fuck"
 
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Coals

Active Member
dukeanthony said:
Obama Seems to want regulations in place to regulate the Market so People dont get fucked over

Who seems to be against that?
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All the people that the regulations will be regulating (dont worry theres not going to be any regulations).
 
Dankinz

Dankinz

Member
i doubt we should kill over 3million people haha its not there fault they were born into a trap too but they found the loopholes called legal aids and lawyers but i do belive we should kill ever cop and authority figure out there who have wrong every one of your american freedoms starting with george bush
 
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