Lets debunk AN and other companies products with FACTS.
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N id say ur a smart man if ur mixing ur own nutes
TonightYou
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Not a bad idea, I know I could switch things up, but unfortunately convenience is a factor to my choices.
I can't really be dragging up multiple bags, and storing them.
The reasoning behind Happy Frog is this:
*Its all that I need, and my big bag of perlite
*It is a consistent product, one which has never let me down
*It works for me, I can easily tell if a problem arises, and its simple to correct.
*To be honest, I really don't run into problems with it
I could reuse it, all you need to do is flush and add in some mycro. Let time do its thing, and you can mix it in with fresh supply. Its inert, the Happy Frog and the perlite, I just need to remove any salt build up is all. Like I said before, I'm lazy, have a bad back, and I'd rather spend the $10 a few times a year. Not the largest expense by far.
Using Jacks, I'm saving a ton on each plant, practically a $1 per plant from start to finish or less. You simply can't get better.
ETA here are a few vegging and revegging ladies happy and healthy with Jacks
I can't really be dragging up multiple bags, and storing them.
The reasoning behind Happy Frog is this:
*Its all that I need, and my big bag of perlite
*It is a consistent product, one which has never let me down
*It works for me, I can easily tell if a problem arises, and its simple to correct.
*To be honest, I really don't run into problems with it
I could reuse it, all you need to do is flush and add in some mycro. Let time do its thing, and you can mix it in with fresh supply. Its inert, the Happy Frog and the perlite, I just need to remove any salt build up is all. Like I said before, I'm lazy, have a bad back, and I'd rather spend the $10 a few times a year. Not the largest expense by far.
Using Jacks, I'm saving a ton on each plant, practically a $1 per plant from start to finish or less. You simply can't get better.
ETA here are a few vegging and revegging ladies happy and healthy with Jacks
I wasnt saying you did say any of those things, I am saying im not going to claim to be a know it all forum guru. Jacks is the best store bought nute for a soil grow, fuckin undeniably. People who use AN, GH, Canna, Dynagro etc. n soil grows are out of their mind. But Jacks is not a complete fert or else they wouldnt have made a hydro line and the price they charge for their hydro line makes them no better than AN. I try not to be a dick but sometimes I cant help it, a $20 bag of dirt with an advertised NPK is part of ur nute line n has to be added into ur final, simple, if the grow medium didnt matter u wouldnt spend the extra loot on it. Your medium completes your nute line by providing/not providing nutrients, a hydro grower can tell you this.
TonightYou
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See you seem to separate the hydro lines. I'm not discounting that Classic would be good in a hydro system, its water soluble, so its possible, but even the website says avoid it.
Okay you don't like Classic, substitute in the hydro lines where I put in the Classic/Citrus. You'll find out it is complete. We've had this argument before. I've done a lot of work posting that shit, I know what I'm talking about, I've direct people to where they can verify and check out the information themselves. I think we actually are agreeing on most of this, it just seems like you are nitpicking at little things, all things I've addressed solutions to.
Nitpicking? Your joking again right? I use Jacks on my tomatoes, my jalapenos, my basil, oregano, & my marijuana grows n dirt. A complete nuterient can be plugged into my perlite hempy buckets without skippin a beat, guess what, my Jacks doesnt work. Jacks is a great nute for ammended soil, no doubt, but it is not complete. Once again, what is the cal/mag/nitrogen ratio on Jacks, I cant remember, should be on ur tub.
TonightYou
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Citrus takes care of the Mag, that is the only thing lacking in Classic. I've never experienced a Mag problem in veg. Thats another reason why I used Citrus for flowering as it does have Mag.
Cal is there in the form of Calcium Nitrate.
Cal is there in the form of Calcium Nitrate.
So what is the cal/mag/nitrogen ratio of jacks?
lilroach
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I'm not sure why someone would say Happy Frog might was well be inert.
"Foxfarm's Happy Frog FX14047 2 Cu.Ft. organic potting soil is perfect for indoor and outdoor container gardens. Jump start your plant growth with the earthworm castings, bat guano, and composted forest humus within this amazing soil! It also contains beneficial microbes and adjusted pH levels that help break down organic matter and feed the plant roots."
http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/93334/GROW-FX14047.html?utm_source=SmartFeedGoogleBase&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_term=GROW-FX14047&utm_content=Soil&utm_campaign=SmartFeedGoogleBaseShopping&gclid=CO_rwLC4s7sCFYdFMgod4kEAUA
And Ocean Forest:
"This nutrient-rich Foxfarm FX14000 Ocean Forest organic potting soil has a powerful blend of Pacific Northwest seagoing fish, crab meal, shrimp meal, and earthworm castings. It's the perfect planting medium for new seed and seedlings in a container garden. This organic potting soil features an adjusted pH at 6.3 to 6.8 to allow for optimum fertilizer uptake and light texture for aeration and drainage."
http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/93338/GROW-FX14000.html?utm_source=SmartFeedGoogleBase&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_term=GROW-FX14000&utm_content=Soil&utm_campaign=SmartFeedGoogleBaseShopping&gclid=CIfAluO4s7sCFYlAMgod_18AfQ
Doesn't sound inert to me.
"Foxfarm's Happy Frog FX14047 2 Cu.Ft. organic potting soil is perfect for indoor and outdoor container gardens. Jump start your plant growth with the earthworm castings, bat guano, and composted forest humus within this amazing soil! It also contains beneficial microbes and adjusted pH levels that help break down organic matter and feed the plant roots."
http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/93334/GROW-FX14047.html?utm_source=SmartFeedGoogleBase&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_term=GROW-FX14047&utm_content=Soil&utm_campaign=SmartFeedGoogleBaseShopping&gclid=CO_rwLC4s7sCFYdFMgod4kEAUA
And Ocean Forest:
"This nutrient-rich Foxfarm FX14000 Ocean Forest organic potting soil has a powerful blend of Pacific Northwest seagoing fish, crab meal, shrimp meal, and earthworm castings. It's the perfect planting medium for new seed and seedlings in a container garden. This organic potting soil features an adjusted pH at 6.3 to 6.8 to allow for optimum fertilizer uptake and light texture for aeration and drainage."
http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/93338/GROW-FX14000.html?utm_source=SmartFeedGoogleBase&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_term=GROW-FX14000&utm_content=Soil&utm_campaign=SmartFeedGoogleBaseShopping&gclid=CIfAluO4s7sCFYlAMgod_18AfQ
Doesn't sound inert to me.
TonightYou
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You do realize there is very little in it, and I previously defined what humus is.
So Fox Farm dirt is just
Dirt?
AimAim
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The first day of class in Soil Science we were taught "dirt" was what was under our beds. "Soil" was what we were there to learn about,
Oh, so they taught u on day 1 that soil provided nutrients? So wouldnt that make it an extension of ur nutes?
so its just a meaningless filler? Those numbers with the dashes dont mean shit? The first day of growin they tought me different, the dumb fuckers told me those numbers meant somethin, dunno what they were thinkin
lilroach
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I didn't go to school that day....probably out in the parking lot getting stoned.
All I know is that plants I've grown in either FF or HF soil grow vigorously for the first month without amendments. If it were inert I would be having all sorts of issues. I don't.....I'm guessing it's because the stuff written on the bag is feeding the plants...otherwise known as nutrients. I usually give 1/4 to 1/3 nutrients around week 4-5 and then a full dose just before putting them into 12/12.
All I know is that plants I've grown in either FF or HF soil grow vigorously for the first month without amendments. If it were inert I would be having all sorts of issues. I don't.....I'm guessing it's because the stuff written on the bag is feeding the plants...otherwise known as nutrients. I usually give 1/4 to 1/3 nutrients around week 4-5 and then a full dose just before putting them into 12/12.
TonightYou
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Both HF and OF are "charged" being amended with quick availability of a small amount of Nitrogen and a few micros. That's why you don't need to fertilize right off the bat (I find you do with happy frog which is a reason I prefer it). Humus is broken down inert matter. That's the majority of the bag.
Oh, is that why, I thought it was because the shit already had nutes n it. Thanks for correcting me. How is the Humus broken down into inert matter again?
Skiya67
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I have read through some of these comments on nutes and agree that AN is over priced, too many products, and hyped with fancy labels and Dr. Scientists references throughout literature. Their marketing team is probably the best in the business. We live in a world of democracy and in the nute world, AN is an absolute Goliath. They have always been leaders in the business and the line everybody compares to. I have grown since late eighties and have used several different lines including AN which gives good results. I can look at plant and usually tell what it needs if there is a problem. If you only had a few grows under belt and had 15-20 products in front of you when your plant has an unusual deficiency. Hmm, which one do i use coach? Hu hu. I couldnt find the chart i was looking for for the an ingredient ratios but you will find most of their stuff is watered down but still works well if you can afford to keep all their products on your shelf. I have also used fox farm, gh, h&g, canna, and Blue Planet which I'm currently using and happy with. Not too many products, cheap, easy to use with good results. If An gave me that much more yield per run compared to others, i would still buy it but it does not so its a no brainer for me. I still use overdrive as it works well and i swear by it and do have a product chart for that, he he. Soil is key!!! If you make your own organic soil and use nothing but water, you can achieve same results, if not better results. Here is one of my ladies from last years outside grow which was horse shit amended with my organic secret sauce. Lets not forget the myco which is my favorite ingredient on all my growing!!! Good luck everybody!
http://www.igrowhydro.com/Advancedepedia/Overdrive-TD.pdf
http://www.igrowhydro.com/Advancedepedia/Overdrive-TD.pdf
Iv changed my mind, buy Jacks cuz its complete n will work great n hydro, dunno why I thought the Cal , mag, nitrogen ratio was out of whack . Run that shit, good to go
TonightYou
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Humus is classified as matter that has broken down to the point that it no longer breaks down. So its considered inert, offering little to nothing in the form of nutrients. Wiki has a good definition that might make It a bit more clear.